Thursday, June 01, 2006

TSP News and Discussion

Posted by: k.ram Jun 27 2005, 05:52 PM

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Pak failed to dismantle terror camps: US - By PTI http://www.asianage.com/ New Delhi, June 26: With the recent detention of some Pakistani men in the US, American counter-terrorism officials feel that Islamabad has failed to dismantle "hundreds" of militant training camps, a media report said. "US counter-terrorism authorities say that the detention of a California-based group of Pakistani men this month underscores a serious problem: the Islamabad government's failure to dismantle hundreds of jihadi training camps," the Los Angeles Times said in a report. Since post-9/11 military strikes against Al Qaeda strongholds in Pakistan's tribal territories, "the jihadi training effort has scattered and gone underground, where it is much harder to detect and destroy," the US daily said in a report titled "Terror Camps Scatter, Persist." "Instead of large and visible camps, would-be terrorists are being recruited, radicalised and trained in a vast system of smaller under-the-radar jihadist sites." "Many United States officials say it is not surprising that Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has not cracked down harder on militant groups and what they describe as their increasingly extensive training activities," it said. The newspaper said "for years, the ISI itself has worked closely with the groups in training Pakistan's own network of militants to fight on conflicts in Kashmir and elsewhere, and to protect the country's interest in neighbouring Afghanistan. The militant groups also derive tremendous influence from their affiliations with increasingly powerful fundamentalist political parties in Pakistan." Meanwhile, the daily quoted the American intelligence officials as saying that over the last two years in particular, three militant groups — Jaish-e-Muhammad, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen and Lashkar-e- Tayyaba — and some smaller ones have taken in thousands of Al Qaeda soldiers and senior operatives as well as Taliban officials who fled Afghanistan and Pakistan's border areas to escape United States- Pakistan dragnet. It said the training was now not overseen by senior Al Qaeda men but by "at least three of Pakistan's largest militant groups, which are fuelled by a shared radical fundamentalist ideology. "The militant groups have long maintained close ties to Osama bin Laden and his global terrorist network," it said. The paper said these groups "wield tremendous political influence, are well-funded and are said to have tens of thousands of fanatic followers, including a small but unknown number of Americans who have entered the system after first enrolling at Pakistan-based Islamic schools or madrasas." The US officials and experts feel that "it has become nearly impossible to get a handle on what they fear is a serious and growing terrorism problem in Pakistan."

Posted by: Mudy Jun 28 2005, 09:31 AM

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http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200506282030.htm "irresponsible" behaviour of our politicians who have failed to bring peace in the sub-continent. - Naval chief Admiral (Retd) L. Ramdas
Again with foot in mouth disease. He can just light few candles in Wagh border all problems will be solved.

Posted by: ramana Jun 28 2005, 11:49 AM

Has any one noticed that in Iraq there is an out fit being called Army of Mohammed? That is Jaish -e- Mohammed in Urdu. Wonder if they are the same?

Posted by: Naresh Jun 28 2005, 03:30 PM

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Again with foot in mouth disease. He can just light few candles in Wagh border all problems will be solved.
Mudy Ji : Admiral Ramdas married Lalita Katari (Admiral Katari’s Daughter) Their daughter, Kavita Ramdas, married Pakistani Zulfiqar Ahmad user posted image What else do you expect Ramdas to do – The Pakis have got him by the scruff of his neck. When his Daughter decided to marry a Paki Ramdas was Vice-Admiral with good chances of becoming Chief of Naval Staff. On hearing of his daughter's decision to marry a Paki Ramdas, AFAICR, sought a meeting with the then Defence Minister and queried whether his daughter marrying a Paki would stop his promotion to the Rank of Admiral and Position of Chief of Naval Staff. Lalita’s Brother is married to a Gujarati Muslim. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jun 28 2005, 03:36 PM

Pipeline or pipe dream? Dr Farrukh Saleem http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/jun2005-daily/26-06-2005/oped/o2.htm Iran would love to sell some of its 79 billion cubic meters of gas to India. India, growing at a robust 7 percent a year, would love to buy cheap Iranian gas. Pakistan, in the middle of Iran and India, would love to let the pipeline pass through Balochistan and make up to half a billion dollars a year in transit fees. So, where is the hitch? To begin with, there is the Iran Libya Sanctions Act (ILSA) of 1996. The Act allows the President of the United States to "penalise any company that invests more than $20 million per year in Iran's energy sector." The Act has an "extra-territorial" affect as it can penalise both Iran and any third nation or a corporate entity that violates the Act. For the record, the cost of the triangular deal is estimated at a colossal $4 billion (or more). The proposed pipeline passes through a quake-prone zone and shall, therefore, require an extraordinarily high degree of civil, chemical and information technological skills. Iran, India and Pakistan do not have the requisite skills and thus cannot execute the project without Western, Australian, Japanese or Russian participation. Russian companies may have the technology but not the financial resources. ILSA, in the meanwhile, prevents all foreign companies from using American licenses or patents. Additionally, most European credit agencies do not cover Iranian risks. European companies interested in Iran would thus have to seek private sector political risk insurance coverage, which would in turn increase the cost of doing business in Iran. India, the end user, is not without her own reservations. "Security of supply" through restive Balochistan, arguably a narcotics heartland, was India's top concern before Iran stepped in to "guarantee supply" (even on the Pakistan-section of the pipeline). But, can Iran-or a consortium-actually guarantee supply through a third country? Influential quarters within India continue to insist that as India controls the headwaters of rivers, Pakistan may end up using the gas pipeline as a potent bargaining chip for concessions over water (and also over Kashmir). The other stumbling block is Iran's constitution that allows buy-back contracts and explicitly forbids profit sharing. International investors, with the risk of investing in Iran, would be more interested in a profit sharing rather than a buy-back contract. It is highly unlikely that the Ayatollahs will be wiling to amend the constitution for the sake of the pipeline. To be certain, Iran's proposition of a 2,600-kilometer gas pipeline-if it ever gets built-will be one of the greatest engineering undertakings of the 21st century. Four billion dollars cannot be raised without Western participation and the actual construction poses an engineering challenge for which neither Iran nor India have the expertise. Can both India and Pakistan defy the hyperpower and stand up to ILSA? May be one of the two can, and even if they both decide to defy, they still cannot execute the project on their own (so why defy?). The Iran-Pakistan-India tripartite gas pipeline is a pipe dream whose time hasn't yet come. The writer is an Islamabad-based freelance columnist Email: farrukh15@hotmail.com Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: utepian Jun 28 2005, 04:51 PM

Nareshji, allow me to make your day. Listen to some stereo.gif Click on http://www.saaz.rewaj.com/songcategory.php?st=10&t=30&c=P Listen to "Ae Quaid-e-Azam Tera Ahsan" Next click on: http://www.saaz.rewaj.com/songcategory.php?st=20&t=30&c=P Listen to "Aao Bachon Sair" Enjoy.

Posted by: Mudy Jun 28 2005, 05:13 PM

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married Pakistani Zulfiqar Ahmad
Ahmad's uncle was Eqbal Ahmad, the famous intellectual, academic figure and activist in the United States and Pakistan who was good friends with Noam Chomsky and historian Howard Zinn. In 1971, Eqbal was indicted with Daniel and Philip Berrigan and four others on charges of conspiracy to kidnap Henry Kissinger and bomb the Pentagon. The trial of the "Harrisburg Seven'' ended in a hung jury, and Eqbal Ahmad (who died in 1999) resumed his academic career.

Posted by: Naresh Jun 29 2005, 12:52 AM

Muddy Ji : Ramdas’s near “Samdhi” also “Son-in-Law” had complete access to the Indian Defence Secrets in General and Indian Naval in Particular. Just think what would happen if a Pakistani Vice-CNS’s Daughter married an Indian Hindu! Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jun 29 2005, 12:54 AM

utepian : Thanks. Sorry I cannot post the Indian N. C. C. version of the “Pakistani Copy-Cat Version” Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: utepian Jun 29 2005, 02:26 PM

The paki netters cant go out but hackers can get in. pakee.gif The Daily Times has been hacked! 5:25PM EST http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/ Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jun 30 2005, 08:10 AM

Daily Times Back With Good News http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-6-2005_pg1_8 * Telecom crisis persists as marine cable repair may take five days KARACHI: The country’s IT industry was shocked on Wednesday when Indian call centres that were about to outsource $10 million business to Pakistan withdrew the offer, as the lingering internet blackout caused a mistrust in India about Pakistan’s telecom infrastructure. A delegation of local call centres which was due to fly to Bangalore early next month to sign a formal deal with Indian counterparts, has been told not to come. Abdullah Butt, the president of the Call Centre Association of Pakistan (CCAoP), said the Indian position was the outcome of the undersea fibre-link damage which, he said, tarnished the image of the country’s telecom facilities, as call-centre operations across the country had come to a halt. Pakistan’s internet and other telecom links with the rest of the world were severed a couple of days ago on account of a fault in a key submarine cable that experts said could take two weeks to repair. The outsourcing business in the country through IT-enabled services crossed the $10 million mark earlier this year with a rapid growth of call centres, and operators were optimistic about touching $20 million by the end of this fiscal year. “We have not registered any short-term loss yet, as we have our own rooftop satellite backup,” said Nasir Lone, the country manager of The Resource Group (TRG), a US-based private investment firm with a focus on the business of call centres and outsourcing. “But I suspect in future it will not be easy to market Pakistan as the best destination for the Western world to outsource their business to.” Earlier, the local IT industry expected a 35 percent income tax in October 2004 on foreign firms operating in India to force them to look to Pakistan instead. Local operators say that after the Indian tax they saw some shift in business from India to Pakistan, and that some Indian call centres were sharing their business load with Pakistani centres. Mr Butt said that now the prospects of a partnership between the Indian and Pakistani IT industry had faded. AFP adds: Pakistan was on Wednesday waiting for a ship to sail from Dubai and fix its main undersea telecommunications link, as some businesses said the Internet and phone breakdown was a virtual death sentence for them. PTCL officials said the cable would take about five days to repair. Farrukh Aslam of Touch Stone Communications said “Pakistan is the only country in the region which relies on a single cable.” He also accused PTCL of lying about the time needed for the repairs. Industry figures have said the repairs are more likely to take two weeks. liar.gif Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: anurag_rulz Jun 30 2005, 03:00 PM

Global tech majors averted 2002 Indo-Pak war Friedman, a three-time Pulitzer Prize winner for journalism and rated America 's most important columnist by the New York Times, puts forth in his book what he calls the "Dell Theory of Conflict Prevention". This stipulates that no two countries that are part of a major global supply chain, like the American computer company Dell, will ever fight a war against each other as long as both are part of the same supply chain. Friedman recalls that tense summer of 2002 in the subcontinent when the prolonged military standoff between India and Pakistan led the US State Department to warn American citizens to leave India because the prospect of a nuclear exchange with Pakistan was becoming very real. "The global American firms that had moved their backrooms and R&D operations to Bangalore were deeply unnerved." It was then that Indian technology majors like Wipro, Mind Tree and MphasiS brought the urgency of the matter before the government in New Delhi, saying US companies that had decided to outsource mission-critical research and operations to India were a worried lot. "While not trying to meddle in foreign affairs, we explained to our government, through the Confederation of Indian Industry, that providing a stable, predictable operating environment is now the key to India 's development," the book quotes N Krishnakumar, president of MindTree, a leading knowledge outsourcing firm in Bangalore, as saying. Full article here - http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1412566,0008.htm What do you guys think about the Dell Theory of Conflict prevention? Not a bad idea in my opinion. And pretty effective too, if this story that the tech majors prevented the war is to be believed.

Posted by: Viren Jun 30 2005, 03:14 PM

Anurag, I've heard Tom Friedman say on Tim Russert show about a year ago that no two nations having McDonalds have gone to war with each other. Not sure as to how true that is - needs to be researched.

Posted by: utepian Jul 1 2005, 07:44 AM

Really? Did conflict between India and Pakistan end? TF has been saying this for three years now. Certainly, that notice of evacuation for American Citizens released by the American Embassy in New Delhi was one heck of a successful example of psy-war. But did the "Indian" attitude of pragmatism, non-violence and some sort of indifference and callousness have something with the success of the above demarche? Lets see. Had terrorists backed by a nuclear enabled North Korea attacked South Korea - a major link in America's supply chain - then would the outcome be the same? As a matter of fact, has one wondered why Communist North Korea almost never participates in any act of aggression or terror against its freer Southern counterpart. 1. Friedman does not give credit that his theory might be applicable perhaps only to India. 2. Freidman does not even realize that Pakistan's war against India has still been ongoing and has shown no signs of abating. Supply chain or not. 3. Freidman must seriously ask, why South Korea has remained terror-aggression free but India not.

Posted by: Naresh Jul 1 2005, 11:36 AM

http://www.satribune.com/archives/200507/P1_mas.htm Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 2 2005, 11:02 AM

We, Pakistanis, are a Nation of idiots thumbup.gif http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_2-7-2005_pg3_7 Sir: We are a nation of idiots. clap.gif Though there are several counts on which I pronounce this verdict, I wish to mention only one here. I speak of our love-hate relationship with our neighbouring country. The recent point of irritation for me is the prevalence of third rate Bollywood music in the leading shopping malls of Lahore. It’s not that I have a problem with all things Indian. Indeed there are several things we can learn from our neighbours and I say this with sincerity. They are after all a democratic state with equal rights for all regardless of religion, caste, creed, gender or levels of stupidity. I also note that their talk shows and news programmes are marginally more informative and realistic, but movie music? No way. Bollywood music is horrible and atrocious. Yet as with all things, we, the nation of idiots, must reject all that is good about India but adopt as our own that which is bad. Well I’ve had enough. Pakistani pop music is a much better alternative. I tried to explain this very simple point to the manager of the food court at a shopping mall in Gulberg, but he went into a tirade and started to shout abuses like a maniac. Not only are we a nation of idiots... but a nation of fanatics as well. The fellow who was willing to get into a fist fight with me over Indian music, would most probably do the same if someone said something against Osama Bin Laden. This is the irony of our times. YASSER LATIF HAMDANI Lahore Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Jul 2 2005, 02:02 PM

lol but I have to give credit for Pakis for doing one good thing though i.e banning Bollywood, wish India would follow suit to ban this deadly virus named Bollywood.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 2 2005, 10:38 PM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/6640_1419315,001600320002.htm biggrin.gif

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The going is not all that easy for Pakistan, however: the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) has decided to abstain from voting on the G-4 resolution; Pakistan had hoped the GCC would vote against. And it fears the African bloc might support the G-4 to protest the USA’s excluding their continent from consideration for a permanent seat (the US recently said it would support Japan and a “developing country”, i.e. India).

Posted by: Naresh Jul 5 2005, 09:18 AM

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/jul2005-daily/05-07-2005/main/update.shtml#21 LAHORE: England have refused to play a Test in the port city of Karachi during their upcoming winter tour, a senior Pakistani cricket official said Tuesday. The tourists would decide in 10 days' time whether to play two one day internationals in the southern city, Pakistan Cricket Board director operations Saleem Altaf said. "England have refused to play a five-day Test in Karachi and they will reply in 10 days to our proposal to play two back-to-back one day internationals there," Altaf told reporters in Lahore. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 6 2005, 02:12 PM

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/july-2005/6/index3.php ASTANA (Agencies) – India Tuesday told Pakistan that it was ready to give “concrete evidence” of cross-border 'terrorism' and made it clear that it will not accept linkage of trade and economic cooperation with progress on the Kashmir issue. “We will give you concrete evidence of cross-border terrorism,” External Affairs Minister K Natwar Singh said during a 45-minute meeting with Pakistan Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on the margins of the summit meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. Contending that there were no good or bad terrorists, Aziz said, “We are institutionally against terrorism.” Official sources said the recent controversy over Pakistan’s Information and Broadcasting Minister Sheikh Rashid admitting that he had organised a training camp for Kashmiris at his farmhouse near Rawalpindi in the late 1980s did not figure in the meeting. At the meeting both sides reaffirmed their commitment to the composite dialogue process. Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, who was accompanied by Foreign Minister Khurshid M Kasuri, said the dialogue process was proceeding. “Naturally, some hiccups are there but the process is irreversible,” Aziz said. “We agreed that this process is irreversible,” Singh told reporters. “We want various issues between the two countries to be resolved peacefully. We talked about all issues in very open and informal atmosphere. As you know the formal talks between various levels of government are taking place. So we talked about the core issue of Jammu and Kashmir, water issues, the Baglihar Dam and how that process is moving, the gas (Iran-Pakistan-India) pipeline, which will create a win-win situation for both countries and naturally we talked about the core issue of Jammu and Kashmir to see how we can take it forward. But let me say, both countries are committed to the peace process they are committed to resolving them peacefully,” said Aziz. He said it was a continuous process and the discussion would keep going on. “We are looking ahead to develop and to grow and share what is happening all over the world.” Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 6 2005, 05:11 PM

Iran concerned about pipeline security http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_7-7-2005_pg7_51 * Pakistan and Iran agree on trilateral talks involving India ISLAMABAD: Tehran on Wednesday raised concerns over the security of the proposed US$ four billion Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline that would pass through Pakistani territory on its way India. Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Zanganeh held the gas pipeline’s first round of talks with Federal Petroleum and Natural Resources Minister Ammanulla Khan Jadoon. A senior official, who attended the meeting, told Daily Times that Iran was concerned about the security of a major part of the pipeline to be laid down in Pakistan. He said that Jadoon assured the Iranian minister about security arrangements, saying, “It is Pakistan’s concern and Tehran should not get unduly worried about it.” Both sides will also talk on various issues related to the gas pipeline today (Thursday). Asking not to be named, the official said that both sides did not discuss Washington’s concerns over the project during the talks. After the meeting, both countries’ ministers told Daily Times that they decided to hold trilateral talks at the ministerial and secretary level among the three stakeholders (Iran, Pakistan and India) instead of bilateral talks on the mega project. Earlier, it was decided that the three countries would hold talks on the gas pipeline bilaterally and after that it would be held trilaterally, but during Wednesday’s meeting, it was decided that issues would be solved at a faster pace through trilateral talks. Jadoon said a memorandum of understanding (MoU) in this regard would be signed between the two countries today (Thursday). Asked if Pakistan had discussed the price of gas with Iran, the minister said, “It is too early to discuss such issues.” Petroleum and Natural Resources secretary Ahmad Waqar said that nothing was finalised in the talks and both sides would be able to reach a result after the talks at ministerial level. He said that both sides would discuss the pipeline’s laying down, transmission cost, security and transit fee today. On his arrival here, the Iranian oil minister said, “I am hopeful that a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) will be signed during the talks here, which will determine the major topics regarding the import of gas.” He said he would discuss the import of gas for Pakistan’s domestic consumption and the Iran-India gas pipeline project, adding that he hoped improving relations between Pakistan and India and the settlement of political issues would hole speed up work on the project. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Viren Jul 7 2005, 09:04 AM

What's going on? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050707/india_nm/india_208558

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Pakistani authorities told villagers to evacuate their homes on Thursday after India released a large volume of water into a river that flows from the Himalayas into Pakistan. Water from cross-border rivers is a major source of disagreement between India and Pakistan and negotiations on the use of shared rivers are a major component of peace talks between the nuclear-armed rivals. "The situation is serious," the director-general of Pakistan's Meteorogical Department, Qamar-uz-Zaman Chaudhry, told Reuters. The volume of water released from dams in Indian Kashmir into the Chenab river was equivalent to about 566,000 cubic feet per second, he said, "We are expecting heavy floods in some parts of northern Punjab," he said, referring to Pakistan's most populous province. Villagers had been advised to leave their homes and troops had been sent to help them, he said. The largest volume of water was expected to reach northern Punjab by late Thursday. He said India had not given advance warning before releasing the water. Chaudhry said that India might have faced problems in their own area and would have technical reasons for releasing the water. "Normally, before releasing any water into our area they inform us in advance," he said.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 7 2005, 09:27 AM

Massive floods in J&K. No other reason. India can't hold water for long. Chenab is overflowing.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 8 2005, 08:19 AM

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Hindi now latest rage in Pak ANI[ FRIDAY, JULY 08, 2005 09:51:28 AM ] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1164698,curpg-2.cms Lahore: Pakistan’s Punjab University is all set to begin a Masters degree course in Hindi literature from this academic session onwards, as more and more people in the country want to learn India’s national language. "We are looking for one or two people in Islamabad having a PhD in Hindi and aim to start MA classes from the upcoming session in September 2005," said Professor Dr Muhammad Akram Chaudhry, a Dean at the Punjab University. Shabnam Riaz, the only lecturer in the University’s Hindi Department, said while previously it was only the older people who were interested in learning Hindi, now the youths were getting attracted to the language. "Judges, journalists, government officials, teachers, youth and people from different walks of life are joining the department,” she said. She said some people were still prejudiced against learning Hindi. “Biases are still there as people see Hindi as the language of the ‘enemy’,” she said. “The bias was gradually reducing.” The University has been trying to start the course since two years, but it could not do so due to lack of qualified staff. The University, with a total of 14 students enrolled in the Hindi Department, has a staff of only three. Shabnam, an Indian who did her MA in Hindi from Patiala before getting married in Pakistan, said that she along with some students of the Hindi Department have urged the Pakistan government to allow importing Hindi publications, library books, journals, especially Hindi newspapers, from India.
In place of Bollywood, they should watch Chankaya, they will learn Hindi pretty fast.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 8 2005, 09:44 PM

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SUCH GUP How many wrongs, General? Last year General Musharraf read in this column of a great miscarriage of justice in Multan, the “honour” killing of 21-year-old Afsheen Sahu allegedly by her father and grandfather, her hurried burial in a shallow grave in the family’s ancestral village, and the ensuing conspiracy of silence. Afsheen’s “crime” was that she refused to abide by the forced marriage her family had thrust upon her, and made her own choice of husband clear to all. This is what cost Afsheen her life. As soon as he read about it, General Musharraf took a pro-active interest in the case and ensured that a post-mortem was done.This process returned a verdict of “death by strangulation”. The case then went to the Sessions Court where the learned judge refused the plea of the accused for “reconciliation” under the Qisas and Diyat laws whereby the “wali” or heirs of the deceased can “forgive” the murderer/s. In Afsheen’s case both her “wali” and her murderer could be deemed to be the same person – her father. The judge ordered that the trial proper should commence given that the initial investigation revealed that Afsheen’s father and grandfather were guilty as accused. Many months later, the Multan bench of the High Court has overturned the ruling of the Sessions Court and decreed that the victim’s “wali” can indeed forgive her murderers. So, Afsheen’s father can now forgive himself and his father for having murdered their daughter/granddaughter. How many wrongs will General Musharraf right by his own intervention? The fact of the matter is that the Qisas and Diyat law needs to be scrapped immediately. Big Brother’s watching The government agency NADRA, playing the true Orwellian Big Brother, has developed an unique software whereby it is able to monitor computer usage by officers of the great civil services of Pakistan. Much to Big Brother’s chagrin, it has been discovered that officers spend the bulk of their time a) surfing pornographic sites b) chatting online, and in that order. laugh.gif +++++ Nuggets from the Urdu press Is Pakistan a dog? Writing in the Jang, Abdul Qadir Hassan stated that a cartoon in the Washington Post depicting Pakistan as a dog had to be understood in the light of Western culture, which gives the dog kisses and rewards it for acts of loyalty. He said Islam allowed the keeping of a dog for protection (hifazat) and hunting (shikar). Pakistan was fulfilling the role of a loyal friend of the Americans and since the dog was a much-loved animal, Pakistanis should accept the compliment. biggrin.gif A nation of protesters Columnist Nazeer Naji wrote in the Jang that Muslims were a nation of protesters. They created Pakistan by protesting (ehtajaj) against the British and the Hindus. After 1947, we started protesting against our governments. Provinces began protesting against provinces; sects began protesting against sects. When we run out of things to protest at home, we start looking outside for something to protest against. If we don’t like the new fashion in clothes, we come out on the roads. If we don’t like what someone has written, we hit the street. And when someone has printed a cartoon somewhere in the world, it is time for us to start beating the chest in protest. Fight over syllabus in Gilgit Reported in the daily Pakistan, students in Gilgit came out on the streets to protest the teaching of a textbook they didn’t like. The students belonged to the majority Shia community, while the syllabus was seen to be imposed on them by the Sunni establishment. In the streets, the Sunni shopkeepers opposed their slogans after which stones were thrown. The police and the army came out and closed the markets down, arresting 25 people. Why remove the Shaheen missile? According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, citizens of Multan were out protesting the removal from a square in their city of a model of the Shaheen missile, capable of hitting India anywhere in its territory with a nuclear payload. This was done on the eve of the arrival of an Indian delegation in Multan. The Jang quoted a PMLN leader as saying that the removal of war symbols was a sign of the government’s cowardice. specool.gif Rise up against the cartoon! Reported in the Nawa-e-Waqt, Imran Khan declared that a cartoon published in America had exposed the PML government as slaves of the United States. He appealed to the nation to rise up and attack the cowardly (buzdil) government and bring it down. The paper reported that the great lawyer, MD Tahir of Lahore, had sent a legal notice to the offending paper in Washington asking it to pay Rs 50 crore as a fine for printing the offending cartoon. Khabrain reported ex-president Tarar as saying that his heart was bleeding (khun kay ansoo) because of the cartoon. Hafiz Said of the Lashkar-e-Tayba said that Pakistan should break off relations with the US. Maulana Sarfraz Naeemi said that President Bush should be forced to beg abjectly for forgiveness. biggrin.gif Dr Ataur Rehman’s degrees Writing in the Jang, Maimuna Amjad said that Dr Ataur Rehman, chairman of the Higher Education Commission, had a PhD from Cambridge and a Doctor of Science degree from there, which was also won by Dr Abdus Salam before him. He was also the only Muslim scientist to get the UNESCO Science Prize. Dr Rehman had 694 publications to his name, out which 694 were books. biggrin.gif Nankana the Sikh Vatican Writing in the daily Pakistan, Tanvir Qaiser Shahid stated that Nankana has been declared a new district of Lahore. It was part of the Sheikhupura district which was the largest district in the Punjab and topped the list for crime and maladministration. Many efforts were made in the past to bifurcate the district, but it did not work. Sheikhupura, as the largest district, sent 7 politicians to the National Assembly and 13 to the Punjab Assembly. Its 3.8 million population was virtually unpoliceable. Now Nankana Sahib would be separated as the big international district of Sikhs, with a two-way road going from the Wahga border to the birthplace of Guru Nanak. The Sikhs in Canada have already announced that they would create a Vatican out of it. DNA test unacceptable! The daily Pakistan reported that religious scholars of all stripes were opposed to the DNA test as evidence in cases of determination of parenthood in the court of law. The clergy said that a child belonged to the one in whose bed he was born, it could not be handed over to anyone else. They said that DNA tests will promote shamelessness and should not be used legally. biggrin.gif The doctors in Lahore, however, said that the DNA test was foolproof. There was no facility for DNA testing in Lahore. Daud Ibrahim in Bangladesh? According to the daily Pakistan, notorious Indian underworld don Daud Ibrahim had created a new militia in Bangladesh called Shahadat al Hakim. He had first fled India after letting off a bomb in Mumbai. He was in Pakistan, in Karachi, for some time. Then he fled to Nepal, from where he went to India on a false passport. His latest identity was different after a facelift and new hairstyle. His brother Anis Ibrahim was doing gold business in Dubai. India had put his head money at Rs 5 million. Faisalabad festival not right Columnist Hamid Sultan wrote in the Nawa-e-Waqt that the centenary festival of Faisalabad was all wrong because it featured pop songs without mentioning the sacrifices made by the population of Faisalabad in 1947. No one recalled the coming to Dhobi Ghat of the Quaid-e-Azam and the suffering of the refugees. Instead, the Sikhs came and announced that they shared the culture and language of Faisalabad.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 8 2005, 09:49 PM

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Hizb-ut-Tahrir attracts educated elites in Pakistan : Mazhar Abbas While the Hizb is considered a terrorist organisation by most Western nations, its members claim it has a nonviolent philosophy Hizb ut-Tahrir al-Islami (Islamic Party of Liberation) is an Islamist political organisation that operates in 40 countries around the world with the goal of replacing existing political regimes with Khilafa’ (Caliphate). With hundreds and thousands of followers in the Arab states and Central Asian countries, the Hizb has successfully inducted Pakistanis in its wing as well. However, the group’s latest target is young and educated Pakistani men and women. Formed in 1953 in Al-Quds by Sheikh Taqiudden Al-Nabhadi, the Hizb now has roots in Pakistan as well and interestingly enough, a large number of its members are well educated and belong to the elite class. “This is a rare phenomenon in religious extremist groups that usually comprise people from the lower classes,” says an analyst. In the last few months, dozens of Hibz members have been arrested from different parts of the country on charges of distributing pamphlets in colleges and offices. However, most were later released. They allege that they were tortured while in police custody. In Karachi last month, an Anti-Terrorism Court acquitted two Hizb members after the prosecution failed to prove any of the charges against them. In fact, the Hizb differs from all other religious parties in Pakistan because it works on the premise that religious parties can never succeed in their missions while the present political system is in place. Hence, the organisation is driven towards the re-establishment of the Caliphate and the removal of what the Hizb considers to be “imperialistic non-Islamic control of Islamic societies”. The Hibz is banned in the United States and most Western countries for its alleged terrorist links. One of the Central Asian Republics, Uzbekistan, has also banned it. Pakistan banned the outfit in 2003. However, the Hizb spokesman, Naveed Butt, denies the organisation’s involvement in terrorist activities and says they have no links with Al Qaeda. The party’s stated mission is to explain Islamic ideology to Muslims, to create a dialogue with Western thinkers about Capitalism and its ills and to present Islam as an ideological alternative. “We are an intellectual and political movement,” Hizb Pakistan spokesman Naveed Butt told TFT. “The reason we are such an effective organisation is because we are non-violent. Even Christians listen to our views.” Hizb sources told TFT that after Pakistan joined the War on Terror in 2001 and became a close ally of the US, many jihadi outfits like Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammad, Hizbul Mujahideen, Harkatul Mujahideen and Al-Rasheed Trust were banned. While no official notification was issued regarding a ban on Hizb-ut-Tahrir, it was unofficially communicated that Hibz was a banned organisation. After that, several Hizb members were arrested from different parts of Pakistan. “While being interrogated, our members were not asked where they got their weapons from or anything like that,” said Naveed. “They were asked about our functioning and management, our financial resources and sources and the extent of our network.” According to Naveed, the Hizb is a threat to the West because it follows a nonviolent strategy and has taken Islam to the elite, liberal class. “Our intellectual and political movement is a real threat to the West,” said Naveed. “They think we are a terrorist organisation when we are actually an intellectual movement targeting the educated classes.” Talking about 9/11, Naveed said that Hizb did not condone the bombings of the World Trade Centre or that so many people had been killed. However, he said that the incident must be looked at as a reaction to the atrocities committed by the US and its allies against Palestinian and other Muslim countries. “Civilised societies become uncivilised when it comes to Guantanamo Bay or Abu Ghraib,” Naveed said. “We are working to get it across to liberal Muslims that Islam as a creed is being targeted.” “The Hizb is not against any religion,” said Naveed. “Islam looks at man first as a human being. It is a religion that seeks to protect the rights of everyone irrespective of their religion.” The Hizb considers itself to be the largest political party in the world which refuses to align itself with any incumbent political system but instead wants a return to the Caliphate. “After the Iranian revolution, Hizb’s senior leaders went to see Imam Khomeini to discuss Islamisation with him and to ask him to declare Khilafa,” said Naveed. “Similarly, we went to Mulla Omar to enquire whether he had declared Khilafa the goal of the Taliban. We have given all these movements assistance in following the road back to the Khilafat,” he added. Talking about violence generated by religious groups, Naveed outlined the Hizb’s take on the issue: “Like in Iraq and Israel, resistance against an occupied force is justified but you have to keep in mind that civilians should not be targeted. While jihad is a great method, it cannot be used to establish Khilafa.” Naveed told TFT that the Hizb follows a constitution comprising 186 articles relating to politics, economics and society with all laws drawn from the Quran. As far as other Islamic parties are concerned, Naveed said they had mostly failed because they did not have a clear approach and methodology and because they were unsure about the linkage between thought and mind. Unlike other Islamic groups, the Hibz does not operate through, or run, any madrassahs. However, it is an influential presence in prominent Islamic universities like the Al-Azhar University. Also, the group has created a few well-frequented websites like www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org> and distributed books on scores of subjects from Islamic economic and political systems to the rights of women. Naveed also spoke about the organisation’s idea of women’s position in society. He said that while men and women can work and study together, they cannot, unless married, go out together for pleasure. “Women can go into occupations like law and medicine but they cannot be airhostesses or sex symbols,” he said. Naveed also says that women cannot be heads of states. “This clause does not come from Islam alone; it’s a universal fact. There can’t be a woman Pope. The US has never had a woman president,” he argues.

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Aamir Liaquat plans to leave Pakistan : Mazhar Abbas Friday Times Violence has once again gripped Karachi with the murders of two religious clerics and the attack on religious affairs minister at the clerics' funeral The controversial Minister of State for Religious Affairs Dr Aamir Liaquat Husain has announced that he may leave Pakistan because of rising religious extremism and assassinations. His statement came after he was mobbed and manhandled during a visit to Jamia Binoria in the Karachi’s SITE area last week to attend the funeral of two slain religious scholars, Mufti Atiqur Rehman and Mufti Irshad. “My life is in danger and if the threat continues, I may leave the country,” Aamir told TFT. “I don’t want to leave but rising extremism is holding this country’s integrity and solidarity hostage.” Sources say the attack on Aamir was a planned one. According to eyewitnesses, enraged boys broke the windscreen of the minister’s car and attacked him after the funeral prayers began. Officials of the Jamia Binoria came to the ministers’ rescue and took him to a nearby girls’ hostel where he took shelter for 70 minutes before being taken to a hospital. “There were about 30 to 40 attackers with sticks and other hard, blunt objects,” said Aamir. “They started shouting provocative slogans when they saw me. Then, when the funeral prayer began, I was advised to leave but before I could do so, the assailants came after me and I had no alternative but to run and take shelter in the girls’ hostel,” he said. The minister says that while he ran for his life, the attackers threw stones and other objects at him, hitting him on his legs, shoulders and face. “I was bleeding heavily but I did not stop running because I knew they would kill me,” said Aamir. Jamia Binoria officials told TFT that the ministers had called them saying they wanted to attend the funeral. “We advised them not to come because that might enrage the crowd,” said one official. “The ministers acted against our advice and decided to come anyway.” Why Aamir Liaquat met this kind of treatment at the Jamia Binoria can be explained by the fact that he has been a hated figure among clerics since he issued a statement against madrassahs, alleging that young boys are generally molested at religious seminaries. His statement drew flak not just from religious circles but from the parliament as well. Aamir has remained controversial throughout his tenure. He made headlines when it was rumoured that he allegedly bought fake degrees to contest the 2002 general elections. The minister says that these accusations and attacks are a part of a “great controversy” against him. “There are vested interest and extremists groups working against my popularity and my programmes for Muslim unity,” he told TFT. “They were after me when they questioned my educational qualifications and they are after me still, as proven by the attacks at the funeral. I am sure that they will continue to follow and harass me,” he added. When questioned about what he planned to do if these “conspiracies” and threats continued, Aamir replied: “I may opt for Hijrat under these conditions.” While the attack on Aamir does not speak well about Jamia Binoria, the organisation is generally a peaceful one whose students have, in the past, remained largely non-violent during most agitations in the city. In fact, Jamia Binori – as opposed to the Binori Town seminary – is considered to be one of the modern madrassahs and receives donations from the Pakistan government as well as from abroad. This time round, Jamia Binori students have taken to the streets, blocked major roads, lit bonfires at different places and disrupted traffic. Students from other madrassahs have also come out on the streets, setting tyres on fire and pelting stones at passing vehicles. The police is looking into the murder of Mufti Atiqur Rehman and says that it could be a part of the conspiracy to eliminate pro-Taliban clerics. Top Deobandi scholars Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai and Mufti Jamil were also killed last year and Maulana Yusuf Ludhianvi and Habibullah Mukhtar not too long before that. All four clerics belonged to the same school of though and were from Binori Town seminary. Also, about a year ago, six students of Jamia Binoria were killed in a bomb blast at the Binoria restaurant next to the main madrassah. Investigators say the attack was motivated by sectarian hatred. “The recent murders of Jamia Binoria clerics could be a case of sectarian killing,” an investigator told TFT, adding that the police was not completely sure of the identity of the assailants or the motives of the murderers. “Shiite extremists have smaller groups working under and within larger ones. These smaller groups have been known to kill high profile targets and this could be one of those,” he added. Another police investigator said that the killings could have been carried out to avenge the Bari Imam and Gulshan Imam Bargah blasts. There is also the view that all these Islamic clerics and scholars recently targeted were pro-Taliban. “Mufti Atiqur Rehman was very close to Shamzai, Mullah Omar’s advisor during the Taliban rule in Afghanistan,” said one analyst. “Rehman and Jamil were among those taken to Afghanistan along with former ISI chief General Mahmoud to convince Mullah Omar to either hand over Osama or expel him from Afghanistan.” The sectarian aspect is, of course, another compelling possibility. “These Shiite groups may not have the strong and vast networking that Sipah-e-Mohammad used to have but they are still quite active and spread out,” a police officer told TFT. However, violence has once again gripped Karachi and the government and police both fear that the city will see more incidents of violence during the LB polls. “Besides political violence, personal scores may be settled and there is a possibility that the army will have to be called in to supervise the polls,” said an observer.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 8 2005, 09:58 PM

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Waiting for miracles - Dr Ayesha Siddiqa The political opposition is badly in need of reinventing a political endgame Every time a Pakistani opposition leader comes to Washington, it is to get access to America’s corridors of power to plead the case for Pakistan’s return to full democracy. The Bush administration remains unconvinced. It has a nice and beneficial relationship going with the General Pervez Musharraf-led quasi-civilian regime and it does not seem interested in upsetting the applecart. Pakistan is delivering almost on schedule and according to the script and the administration cannot ask for more. This is also clear from the recent Congressional testimonies given by the US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice. Dr Rice on all occasions claimed that Islamabad was cooperating on the nuclear proliferation issue and had been most active on the counter-terrorism front. Washington also feels a military-led government would be more malleable than a purely civilian dispensation. It is easier to deal with the military than a noisy, messy democracy. Small wonder then that Pakistani opposition leaders are generally cold-shouldered. However, pragmatic reasons are not the only factor for the US to keep Pakistani politicians at bay. There is also a high degree of frustration with the political leaders who, Americans think, are inefficient, corrupt and slothful. The American policymaking circles, including the think-tank community, do not seem interested in key Pakistani opposition leaders. The State and other departments find it pretty off-putting to see these leaders plead for American help to return to power. How can America support these leaders when they have so little to show for their politics? They cannot even mobilise the masses or cause political unrest. Their internal party structures are in disarray, the local leaders have no incentive to motivate the cadres or win more members, and top leaders invariably are authoritarian. It is essential for the political leadership to realise that the global environment is not favourable for a civilian regime that has no wherewithal to interest the world. Even the think tanks in the US are averse to suggesting an alternative position. Indeed, the behaviour of the political opposition in Pakistan is intriguing. It shows a high degree of inertia, which prevents the political leadership from reorganising and regrouping. The opposition cannot even come up with ideas and stories to embarrass the regime. This is either owed to lethargy or personal stakes. While one could explain this behaviour without necessarily understanding it, there is need to study it in terms of its structure. What logic does the opposition employ to justify what it is doing or, more appropriately, not doing? It seems that some parties are waiting and hoping that the ground reality will change at some point. In this case, the leaders are looking at the future. There are two underlying assumptions. First, it is understood that there is no possibility of reconciliation with the present military regime. For General Musharraf, politics is a personal game. He would certainly not like to accept a modus vivendi with, for instance, the two former premiers. His statement that he would not allow them to take part in politics should be taken seriously. There have been contacts, no doubt. Benazir Bhutto has talked about talks, as has General Musharraf. But there is little likelihood of Musharraf either changing the system or allowing Bhutto or Sharif to return and take part in politics. There are only two scenarios: engagement with the military and compromise and impending and potential conflict. Second, the opposition is depending on some heavenly intervention that might change the ground reality. It is in this connection that it is also appealing to the US, hoping that the Americans would facilitate a return to full civilian rule. It doesn’t seem to be working. It is difficult to see how that can happen short of direct US intervention. And if the hope is that fate might remove Musharraf, one is not sure if subsequent events could play out like 1988. One of the problems with the 1988 scenario is that it assumes that there would be a replay and fair elections will be held. Also, that the PPP would come back to power. There is also a hidden assumption that the army would be sufficiently divided for the political process to kick off without major intervention. This is a good, but risky assertion. Such estimates also appear to be based on different assessments of how far the army is divided as an institution. There are several reports on fissures within the defence establishment. These divisions are both vertical and horizontal. There are ethnic as well as ideological divisions. It is true that the army would come under a lot of pressure and it won’t be easy for it to intervene. However, none of this indicates a favourable situation for the political stakeholders, especially if those currently out of power want to change the tenor of politics and policymaking in the future. One could argue that the above-mentioned divisions within the armed forces could also help get one of the opposition parties into power, but it is not a dependable formula. A division that brings a dramatic change in the top management does not indicate a pleasant shift that one would look forward to. This would be an unstable change born out of violence. What is even more important is the fact that the army ahs developed hardened perceptions regarding various political parties. The mistrust of the PPP, for instance, is shared across the board. While one could get into long-drawn explanation of how this negative image has come about, the fact is that the party leadership needs to address this problem. Compromise and political adjustment is certainly not an alternative. What is required is the ability of the leadership to rebuild the party and infuse political life into its structure. The PPP can certainly not depend on the past laurels of its leadership. It needs to do something politically new and exciting, in other words have a viable strategy. The international players find it disconcerting that the leadership has nothing to say except compare their past achievements with that of the present regime or claiming that they (the political leaders) would do better than the man in uniform. The political opposition is badly in need of reinventing a political endgame. Continued dependence on miracles would result in continued political instability and disaster.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 9 2005, 11:01 AM

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page6a.shtml Dr Ayesha Siddiqa Sources close to the military or on its payroll speak of the ideological division within the armed forces http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page2a.shtml M R Klasra Insiders say the British rejection of Pakistan's draft is simply a signal to the Pakistani side that any agreement must be on Britain's terms and conditions

Posted by: Mudy Jul 9 2005, 12:01 PM

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page8.shtml On 8 January 2005, Shia leader Agha Ziauddin Rizvi was killed in Gilgit. On 31 January, a leader of Sipah Sahaba Maulana Haroonul Qasimi was killed in Karachi. On 23 March 2005, ex-IG police Northern Areas, Sakhiullah Tareen, a Sunni hardliner, was ambushed and killed in the Northern Areas. On 1 April 2005, Allama Najafi head of a major Shia seminary in Lahore was murdered. On 27 May 2005, a suicide bombing killed 20 at the Barri Imam Shia shrine near Islamabad. On 30 May 2005, the Shia seminary Jaamiat ul Ulum in Karachi was suicide-bombed. On 24 June 2005 Mufti Rehman and Maulana Irshad leaders of the Deoband-Sunni headquarters, Banuri Mosque in Karachi, were target-killed. A patchwork of three sects: Gilgit is the administrative centre of the Northern Areas which has five districts: Gilgit, Skardu, Diamir, Ghizer and Ghanche. Three sects, Shia, Ismaili and Sunni are found in all the districts. FM Khan in his book The History of Gilgit, Baltistan and Chitral: A Short History of Two Millennia (2004) , gives us a breakdown of the sects in the region: Today Gilgit is 60% Shia, 40% Sunni; Hunza 100% Ismaili; Nagar 100% Shia; Punial 100% Ismaili; Yasin 100% Ismaili; Ishkoman 100% Ismaili; Gupis 100% Ismaili; Chilas 100% Sunni; Darel/Tangir 100% Sunni; Astor 90% Sunni, 10% Shia; Baltistan 96% Shia; 2% Nurbakhti; 2% Sunni.

Posted by: Naresh Jul 10 2005, 07:34 AM

http://www.dawn.com/herald/index.htm Item 1 : Back to camp : Zulfiqar Ali An hour’s drive north-west of Mansehra, opposite a beautiful village nestled on the slopes of a ridge, a jeep track branches off from the road and snakes up a hill that is home to the oldest militant training camp in the region. "Until 2001, thousands of fighters trained here for operations in Kashmir and Afghanistan," says our guide, requesting that his name and that of his organisation be withheld. After the September 11, 2001, attacks in America, though, the militants’ activities dwindled. Last year, the camp was abandoned following an unequivocal warning from the government. “But now we can start again,” he says. According to a top manager of the training camp in Mansehra, all the major militant organisations, including Hizbul Mujahideen, al-Badr Mujahideen, Harkatul Mujahideen and others, began regrouping in April this year by renovating training facilities that were deserted last year. Ironically, this regrouping comes amid the high-profile composite dialogue with India and when institutional arrangements for non-interference in Afghanistan have been put in place. Previously, these two countries have been the target of Islamic militancy. The top Indian leadership has so far not reacted strongly to reports of militant infiltration across the Line of Control (LoC) in Kashmir, probably because it has not exceeded the levels of previous years. But Islamabad has recently been under fire from Kabul over its alleged support for the Taliban insurgency that has claimed a record number of civilian, Afghan and American lives this year. Item 5 : For the Record : By Zulfiqar Ali in Muzaffarabad The Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF), a leading pro-independence group, has admitted for the first time that its cadres were initially trained in arms and guerilla warfare by Pakistan’s main spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). The training was imparted during the late 1980s under a deal between the ISI and the JKLF. The chief of the JKLF, Amanullah Khan, has said that the deal struck in 1987 carried the approval of General Ziaul Haq, the military ruler at the time. Khan’s revelations constitute part of the second volume of his autobiography titled Jahd-e-Musalsal or ‘The Unending Struggle’, which was formally launched in Islamabad on June 25. In his book, Khan claims that the ISI first established contact with the JKLF in early 1987 through the organisation’s senior leader Dr Farooq Haider. Khan had just been deported from England and was in Karachi when he received Haider’s message regarding the ISI’s proposal. Although Khan initially asked Haider to finalise the deal with the ISI, he himself held meetings with the Pakistani officials at a later date. Apparently, the deal was struck following an understanding on the part of Pakistani officials that the ideological indoctrination of recruits would be an internal matter of the JKLF in which the ISI would not interfere. The JKLF was to recruit militants in Indian-administered Kashmir, bring them across the Line of Control (LoC) and deliver them to the ISI for training. Besides training, the ISI was also to provide weapons and logistical support to facilitate the launch of those militants in Indian–administered Kashmir to spark an insurgency Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 10 2005, 08:29 AM

Terror in London http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1688261,00.html Read the documents : http://www.times-archive.co.uk/onlinespecials/cabinet1.pdf http://www.times-archive.co.uk/onlinespecials/cabinet2.pdf http://www.times-archive.co.uk/onlinespecials/cabinet3.pdf http://www.times-archive.co.uk/onlinespecials/cabinet4.pdf AL-QAEDA is secretly recruiting affluent, middle-class Muslims in British universities and colleges to carry out terrorist attacks in this country, leaked Whitehall documents reveal. A network of “extremist recruiters” is circulating on campuses targeting people with “technical and professional qualifications”, particularly engineering and IT degrees. Yesterday it emerged that last week’s London bombings were a sophisticated attack with all the devices detonating on the Underground within 50 seconds of each other. The police believe those behind the outrage may be home-grown British terrorists with no criminal backgrounds and possessing technical expertise. A joint Home Office and Foreign Office dossier — Young Muslims and Extremism — prepared for the prime minister last year, said Britain might now be harbouring thousands of Al-Qaeda sympathisers. Lord Stevens, the former Metropolitan police chief, revealed separately last night that up to 3,000 British-born or British-based people had passed through Osama Bin Laden’s training camps. The Whitehall dossier, ordered by Tony Blair following last year’s train bombings in Madrid, says: “Extremists are known to target schools and colleges where young people may be very inquisitive but less challenging and more susceptible to extremist reasoning/ arguments.” The confidential assessment, covering more than 100 pages of letters, papers and other documents, forms the basis of the government’s counter-terrorism strategy, codenamed Operation Contest. It paints a chilling picture of the scale of the task in tackling terrorism. Drawing on information from MI5, it concludes: “Intelligence indicates that the number of British Muslims actively engaged in terrorist activity, whether at home or abroad or supporting such activity, is extremely small and estimated at less than 1%.” This equates to fewer than 16,000 potential terrorists and supporters out of a Muslim population of almost 1.6m. The dossier also estimates that 10,000 have attended extremist conferences. The security services believe that the number who are prepared to commit terrorist attacks may run into hundreds. Most of the Al-Qaeda recruits tend to be loners “attracted to university clubs based on ethnicity or religion” because of “disillusionment with their current existence”. British-based terrorists are made up of different ethnic groups, according to the documents. “They range from foreign nationals now naturalised and resident in the UK, arriving mainly from north Africa and the Middle East, to second and third generation British citizens whose forebears mainly originate from Pakistan or Kashmir. “In addition . . . a significant number come from liberal, non-religious Muslim backgrounds or (are) only converted to Islam in adulthood. These converts include white British nationals and those of West Indian extraction.” The Iraq war is identified by the dossier as a key cause of young Britons turning to terrorism. The analysis says: “It seems that a particularly strong cause of disillusionment among Muslims, including young Muslims, is a perceived ‘double standard’ in the foreign policy of western governments, in particular Britain and the US. “The perception is that passive ‘oppression’, as demonstrated in British foreign policy, eg non-action on Kashmir and Chechnya, has given way to ‘active oppression’. The war on terror, and in Iraq and Afghanistan, are all seen by a section of British Muslims as having been acts against Islam.” In an interview yesterday, Blair denied that the London terrorist attacks were a direct result of British involvement in the Iraq war. He said Russia had suffered terrorism with the Beslan school massacre despite its opposition to the war, and terrorists were planning further attacks on Spain even after the pro-war government was voted out. “September 11 happened before Iraq, before Afghanistan, before any of these issues and that was the worst terrorist atrocity of all,” he said. However, the analysis prepared for Blair identified Iraq as a “recruiting sergeant” for extremism. The Sunday Times has learnt that Britain is negotiating with Australia to hand over military command of southern Iraq to release British troops for redeployment in Afghanistan. The plan behind Operation Contest has been to win over Muslim “hearts and minds” with policy initiatives including anti-religious discrimination laws. A meeting of Contest officials this week is expected to consider a radical overhaul of the strategy following the London attacks. Stevens said last night at least eight attacks aimed at civilian targets on the British mainland had been foiled in the past five years and that none had been planned by the same gang. The former Scotland Yard chief, who retired earlier this year, said that on one weekend more than 1,000 undercover officers had been deployed, monitoring a group of suspected terrorists. He said that he believed last week’s attackers were almost certainly British-born, “brought up here and totally aware of British life and values”. “There’s a sufficient number of people in this country willing to be Islamic terrorists that they don’t have to be drafted in from abroad,” he said. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 10 2005, 09:10 AM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1687681,00.html Who planted the London bombs? Experts believe a new generation of angry young British Muslims has spawned its own terrorists. David Leppard and Nick Fielding report Early last year, as Tony Blair struggled through the long and bitter political aftermath of the Iraq war, yet another bit of disturbing news turned up in his red boxes. A discussion paper prepared by senior civil servants, it raised a subject that last week came back to haunt him. “The home secretary and the foreign secretary,” he read, “have commissioned [this] paper for the prime minister on how to prevent British Muslims, especially young Muslims, from becoming attracted to extremist movements and terrorist activity.” The 36-page paper was littered with misspellings, bad grammar and the egregious waffle that the civil service has learnt from new Labour — “We have a 10-point action plan on engaging with ethnic minorities” — but it dealt presciently with the home-grown terrorism that the police and MI5 believe lies behind last Thursday’s bomb outrages in London. Focusing on young Muslims “who were either born in the UK or who have significant ties to it rather than those who have acquired British nationality more recently”, the paper spelt out the disillusionment that might turn a Muslim loner into a bomber. The prime minister read: “Often disaffected lone individuals unable to fit into their community will be attracted to university clubs based on ethnicity or religion, or be drawn to mosques or preaching groups in prison through a sense of disillusionment with their current existence.” The paper continued: “Policy should have two main aims: (a) to isolate extremists within the Muslim community, and . . . (b) to help young Muslims from becoming ensnared or bullied into participation in terrorist or extremist activity.” This was Whitehall’s long-term counter-terrorist strategy codenamed Project Contest. As a strategy it can hardly be qualified as a success after last week’s outrages, but it certainly identified the problem. Intelligence experts and Islamic leaders agree that Thursday July 7 marks the bloody emergence of home-grown Islamic terrorism in Britain rather than the arrival of Al-Qaeda’s bombers on these shores. The favourite hypothesis of investigators is that the bomb teams comprised a cell of some eight or nine young British Muslims, led by a foreign-born “talisman” figure who controlled and directed them. “This is a very worrying situation,” said M J Gohel, head of the London-based Asia Pacific Foundation which monitors Islamic terrorism. “We’re looking at a new generation of terrorists — people who are not directly linked to Osama Bin Laden or Al-Qaeda so they can slip under the net of the security services. These are people born or brought up in western Europe, so they fit in but are infected by Bin Laden’s ideology.” His view was echoed by a former radical who sometimes leads prayers at the Finsbury Park mosque in north London where Abu Hamza, the blind hook-armed cleric, used to preach. “There is a growing phenomenon of angry young Muslims in Britain,” said this man, who wished to remain anonymous. “I get many young people who watch Al-Jazeera or Al-Arabiya [the satellite TV channels] coming to me after Friday prayers saying they have seen the atrocities at Abu Ghraib or the defacing of Korans at Guantanamo and what should they do. “I tell them to study, take care of their own lives, that if they are angry with George Bush or Tony Blair there is no point killing innocent people in Oxford Street. But there may be many more going to crazy people who tell them to take matters into their own hands. There is an absolute majority among Muslims who share the anti-US sentiment of Al-Qaeda and it is easy to harness that.” Who are these young British terrorists and why do they readily fall under the influence of “crazy people”? How are they recruited? How do they operate? What have the police and MI5 done to try to catch them? And are the non-violent majority of Muslim religious activists in Britain the real key to defeating them? IN THE aftermath of September 11, 2001, British intelligence analysts warned ministers about a new breed of terrorist recruit. Increasingly, hundreds of young Muslim men, most of them British born, were being drawn to the cause of fundamentalism. Radical websites and imams in mosques in London, Luton, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester were preaching holy war to disaffected young Muslims who were looking for a purpose. Unlike the September 11 hijackers, the new terrorists did not have a rigid leadership structure. The majority of them had no criminal record and did not appear on any intelligence data bases linking them to terrorism. They were, in effect, “clean skins” and they were much more difficult to detect. To counteract this danger, Project Contest was born in Whitehall. Its purpose was set out by Sir Andrew Turnbull, the cabinet secretary, in a letter to permanent secretaries at key government departments in April last year. He wrote: “The aim is to prevent terrorism by tackling its causes . . . to diminish support for terrorists by influencing social and economic issues.” Referring to the role played in this by radical preachers such as Abu Qatada (also known as Abu Omar), Turnbull explained: “Al-Qaeda and its offshoots provide a dramatic pole of attraction for the most disaffected.” Of particular concern was that the Islamist terrorist recruiters were targeting the poor and the jobless. An official audit provided to the Project Contest working committee showed that Muslims were three times more likely to be unemployed than the population as a whole. Surveillance of the Muslim community by MI5 and Special Branch found that extremist groups were also operating within universities to recruit middle-class students. A small group of postgraduates at Imperial College and others at Brunel University in west London were of particular concern. The paper prepared for the prime minister spelt out the breadth of the problem: “By extremism, we mean advocating or supporting views such as support for terrorist attacks against British or western targets, including the 9/11 attacks, or for British Muslims fighting against British and allied forces abroad, arguing that it is not possible to be Muslim and British, calling on Muslims to reject engagement with British society and politics, and advocating the creation of an Islamic state in Britain.” It stated that “a small number of young British Muslims are known to have committed or participated in terrorism abroad . . . a number of extremist groups operate in the UK and seek to recruit young Muslims . . . and an increasing number of British Muslims, often young, have needed UK consular services after being detained on suspicion of terrorist or extremist activity in other parts of the world (eg Yemen, Egypt and the US)”. The paper cited an intelligence estimate that the number of British Muslims engaged in terrorist activity, whether at home or abroad, or supporting it, was “less than 1%” of the UK’s Muslim population of 1.6m. But that suggests that up to 16,000 may be involved — a numbing figure. It went on to explain why these thousands of potential terrorists remain below the security radar: “Whilst many have grown up in Muslim households, a significant number come from liberal, non- religious Muslim backgrounds or only converted to Islam in adulthood. These converts include white British nationals and those of West Indian extraction. “By and large most young extremists fall into one of two groups: well educated — undergraduates or with degrees and technical professional qualifications in engineering or IT — or under-achievers with few or no qualifications and often a criminal background. “The former group is often targeted by extremist recruiters circulating among university-based religious or ethnic societies. Among the latter group some are drawn to mosques where they may be targeted by extremist preachers; others are radicalised or converted while in prison. “However, a significant number of young radicalised British Muslims have been recruited through a single contact, often by chance, outside either of these environments. Such individuals are encouraged to maintain a low profile for operational purposes and do not develop the network of associates or political doctrines common to many other extremist Islamists.” One former radical insisted last week that recruitment is no longer taking place in mosques or Islamic organisations — which are now largely under the control of “moderates” — but in pubs, discos and casinos. The exporting of home-grown jihadis — and their fanaticism — was confirmed in Iraq last month by a senior insurgent commander, “Abu Ahmad”, who revealed that about 70 volunteers had arrived from Britain. Two had been killed fighting alongside him against American troops. One of these, a 22-year-old known as Abu Hareth, had been born in Britain of Iraqi parents. He was killed in fighting in Falluja in April last year. “When the battle intensified and due to his lack of military experience I asked him to take shelter in a basement. He refused my advice and told me off for asking him to hide and he said, ‘I will hold this against you when the day of reckoning comes for you tried to prevent me from attaining martyrdom’,” Abu Ahmad said. Two brothers — Ammar, 22, and Yasser, 18 — arrived in Iraq from Britain after the fall of Baghdad in April 2003: “They could not wait to go out and fight and kept on asking when they will go into battle.” After about a month, Ammar was killed fighting American troops: “His younger brother Yasser, who witnessed Ammar’s death, surprised us by shedding tears of joy and praising Allah for his brother’s martyrdom.” The commander continued: “When we returned to our base we asked Yasser to return home, telling him it was enough that his family had lost one son; it would not be right if the second son was also killed and that there were others who would fight on his behalf here. “But he refused and told us: ‘What would I tell my mother? She will not accept me in the house for when she bid us farewell she told us either to return victorious or to achieve martyrdom. I cannot return. I have to finish off what Ammar my brother started here, and anyway I do not want to leave my brother all alone in this land. I want to be buried with him’. And he began to cry.” Abu Ahmad said that having been ordered home, Yasser wrote a letter revealing that when he had arrived in Britain his mother had celebrated on hearing about Ammar’s death — “ululating with happiness and calling her friends and relatives to tell them the good news. She distributed sweets and juices in celebration to all those that came to pay their respect”. BRITISH politicians, civil servants and counter-terrorism specialists have been trying to tackle this fanaticism through a mixture of hearts-and-minds projects and increased policing. Project Contest has led to new laws to curb the immigration of radical imams to Britain and to the controversial proposals, now before parliament, to outlaw incitement to religious hatred. Other initiatives included more government funding for moderate Islamic newspapers, television and radio stations. Measures to create “Muslim friendly” workplaces with more prayer rooms were proposed as well as special mortgages that would enable Muslims, barred by the religion from paying interest, to buy their own council houses. At the same time, more resources have been allocated to detecting and preventing terrorist attacks. The sheer size of the pool of potential recruits has presented the police and MI5 with an enormous challenge, however. After the September 11 attacks it quickly became apparent that the intelligence services were woefully understaffed. Eliza Manningham-Buller, who was made director-general of MI5 in October 2002, ran a successful Whitehall lobbying campaign to win funds for another 1,000 officers, a 50% increase in MI5’s staffing. The Metropolitan police special branch SO12, which carries out covert security operations against terrorism, also underwent a rapid expansion, increasing its staffing to more than 800 officers. In the aftermath of the attacks on America there was, in the words of one senior police officer last week, “a huge intelligence gap”. But in the past three years, he added, that gap had closed significantly as the understanding grew of how Al-Qaeda operated. By the beginning of this year there were some 2,500 Special Branch officers spread across England and Wales, with more than 700 in Scotland. Since September 11 there have been more than 700 arrests of terrorist suspects. Critics of the stepped-up security point out that there have been only 17 convictions — and just three of these were linked to Al-Qaeda related activity. That, critics said, suggested an over-reaction by the authorities. But insiders say that the figures reflected a deliberate policy. In the past, counter-terrorist operations against the IRA’s bombing campaigns would see suspects being followed for months before sufficient evidence was gathered to arrest them. The IRA had a relatively small number of known operatives whose movements were relatively easy to track. But Al-Qaeda and its affiliates posed an unspecified, mostly unknown and little understood threat of a catastrophic attack in which thousands of people might be killed. In those circumstances it was decided that no risks would be taken: policing was designed to disrupt and destabilise terrorist activity before it could result in the loss of lives. That meant arresting people as soon as they became known as terrorist suspects. The priority was not gathering evidence for any future court case but protecting the country from attack. Recently, senior police and intelligence officials became confident that they had “broken the back” of the Al-Qaeda threat to Britain. With the apparent closing of the “intelligence gap”, a more relaxed mood of confidence began to percolate throughout the intelligence community. Earlier this year the security services began to talk about reverting to the old IRA policy of letting suspects run before launching raids to arrest them. At the same time as this new arrest policy gained ascendancy in Whitehall security circles, analysts began to observe a change in the type of suspect being arrested from foreign-born to British. Trials at the Old Bailey next year will reveal that the majority of the defendants are British citizens. The vast majority of suspects now on MI5’s watch list have no previous involvement with terrorism. And not being watched at all are the army of “clean skins” or “lily-whites” whose existence is suspected by the authorities but who are still unidentified. It is these invisible young men who may have formed the backbone of the terror cell that struck the heart of London on Thursday morning. There are various reasons for believing that they were not Al-Qaeda operatives. Intelligence sources say that the organisation claiming responsibility after the attacks, the Secret Organisation of Al-Qaeda in Europe, has not previously shown up on their radar screens beyond one mention on a website when they were demanding the withdrawal of Bulgarian troops from Iraq. According to one former associate of Bin Laden, the wording of their statement was unusual. “Their description of the Prophet and also referring to an Arabic nation was not part of the culture of Al-Qaeda,” he said. “I think the attack was carried out by admirers of Bin Laden, not associates. He has become this kind of iconic hero to a lot of disgruntled people. They have probably never met him or anyone close to him.” Other sources pointed out that Al-Qaeda is now a loose umbrella organisation since the post-September ll crackdowns and many extremist groups are using the Al-Qaeda handle. “Everyone is flying in the air when they talk of Al-Qaeda,” agreed one former member now living in London. “We can’t say who is a leader, who is not, so there is an open window for anyone to claim they are.” THE ROOT of the problem in the eyes of many foreign security operatives remains London’s reputation as a haven for extremists. “It may not be the moment to say it,” said a defence ministry official in Paris, “but London is paying for its mistakes, for allowing all those radical organisations from Saudis to Pakistanis to set up shop in London, put out newsletters, make recruits and gather funds to finance their activities.” Young men from Algeria and Morocco, including members of Islamist armed organisations, came to Britain in the early 1990s to escape persecution by the security forces in their home countries. They were granted asylum and some have since lived on welfare. Supporters of the Armed Islamic Group, known then as the GIA, used mosques such as Finsbury Park and Brixton, in south London, to raise funds to buy guns and bankroll a terror campaign that cost tens of thousands of lives in Algeria. They engaged in blackmail, drug dealing and credit card fraud to support their fundraising in London, Manchester and Birmingham. In April 1994, after raids on GIA suspects in Paris, police found documents said to be “GIA communiqués” sanctioning the murder of Algerian police officers. Fax numbers were traced to London addresses in Southall, Mile End, Brixton, Finsbury Park and Richmond. A French investigating magistrate came to London to try to interview eight of those linked to the documents. But he was apparently blocked by the British authorities. The French were so concerned about the role of the GIA and other groups in London that they authorised illegal spying operations against them in London — without telling the British. Reda Hassaine, an Algerian journalist who came to Britain in the early 1990s, ended up working for MI5 and French intelligence, reporting on radicals inside the Muslim community. But Hassaine believes that despite huge efforts, the government and the security forces have been been far too complacent in dealing with the threat. For more than a decade, Hassaine says, Britain has been a “soft touch” for Islamist radicals who used it as a fundraising and propaganda base to launch attacks in Algeria and elsewhere: “The groups here now are much more independent of each other. There are plenty of them and they’ve been here in London for a long time.” One former Algerian jihadi may hold the answer to the terrorist threat. When he was 24, Abdullah Anas reached a turning point in his life. A member of the Muslim Brotherhood and an imam, he had been brought up on stories of the long war for Algeria’s independence from France. Now he decided it was his turn to take up the gun for a cause: in his case, jihad. Anas travelled to Peshawar in Pakistan and then walked for 40 days to northern Afghanistan. He lost most of his toenails, but “I felt I was reborn when I first got there . . . Even though I was sick for 10 days, I was so happy to be walking along with my Kalashnikov and with my brothers”. He fought there for eight years, becoming close to Bin Laden. But he was eventually disillusioned. “I am proud God chose me to be part of that holy war. I went there prepared to become a martyr. But it was very sad for me to see that once they had liberated their own land, they were unable to build their country. It was a big lesson for me,” he said last week. “I realised that Muslims can win the battle, but can’t stabilise afterwards and win the peace. I saw it with my own eyes. I saw the same in Algeria, where my father and grandfather fought for freedom from the French, but once we had it, it fell to pieces. The Muslim fighters know how to die, but not how to live.” Anas was among the wave of Algerians receiving asylum in Britain. He learnt English and now works as a company secretary and teaches Arabic and Koranic studies. The board of trustees running Finsbury Park mosque since the overthrow of its radical regime regularly invites him to preach to congregations of 1,000. His message is both outspokenly Muslim and adamantly against violence. London is a safe haven for Muslims, he says: “In some ways London is the closest thing we can get to the society described by the Koran. God said, I created you as many nations, tribes and languages. That is what we have here. None of us should seek to impose our views or values on the other.” He says this way of relating to life in London, as set down by the Prophet, is not simply a choice: “It is an obligation. We are part of this society and I tell my congregations that this is why I want them to know what the Prophet himself did. “Anyone targeting this society is my enemy. They are targeting me and my family as much as anyone else, no matter who they are.” He added: “Like many Muslims I am angered by what the Americans are doing in Iraq or the Israelis do in Palestine. But injustices must be dealt with by scholars and politicians, not by hotheads. “These recruiters and terrorists, they are simply trying to use the anger of the young for their own agenda. Of course there is anger, but these criminals are trying to pervert it. I am not a hypocrite or an agent either of the United States or Bin Laden. This is my religion, what I believe in.” Additional reporting: Matthew Campbell, Hala Jaber, Christina Lamb, Robert Winnett TURNIG FROM BRITAIN'S YOUTH CULTURE TO ISLAM'S CERTAINTIES The biggest division among Britain’s youth is no longer class, it’s religion. For one group there is MSN, the X-box, T4, Jay-Z, Diamond White, Pot Noodles, Maybelline Great Lash mascara and sex. For the other there are five daily prayers, hijab, arranged marriages, a lifelong relationship with Allah and the spectres of honour killings and terrorism. “We try not to separate ourselves,” said Nirma Muslim, an 18-year-old Leicester schoolgirl. “But I have to admit that the majority of places me and my friends go are Islamic.” Is it that Muslim children have become more religious than their parents? Professor Akbar Ahmed, the world’s leading authority on contemporary Islam, first noticed a shift towards militancy here in the 1980s. “The Muslim generation of the Sixties were more interested in making a name for themselves on the cricket field or in the literary field but now the equivalent generation want to make a name for themselves by going out and fighting a physical and violent jihad in the name of Islam.” Why? “Unlike American Muslims, British Muslims tend towards a much closer relationship with their motherlands and live in more detached communities. Because of globalisation, technology, and the media, they also have a sense of being a ‘global Muslim’.” Zubair Patel, a 19-year-old Muslim of Indian descent studying for his A-levels at Regent sixth-form college in Leicester, thinks a generation of young men and women now of university age were shaped by 9/11. “If you dressed like a Muslim at that time, people would hassle you in the street. It forced us to look for an identity and ask, ‘Do I want to be in the mainstream or do I want to say I am Muslim?’” He started wearing the shalwar kameez (with a Burberry sweatshirt and a Prada beanie). “I am not one of those Muslims who take part in the whole western thing, like drinking and drugs,” he said. “Those people get portrayed as the moderate Muslims — like that’s what you should be like if you’re living in Britain.” “Some people get tempted to join in,” said his friend Rabi Miah, 17. “But you have to look within yourself and decide that instead of a club you go out for dinner with your friends.” Zubair said: “I’ve been back to where my parents grew up in India and in their neighbourhood they had two mosques. Here we have four mosques on our street and an Islamic boarding school on the corner. They had two scholars, Leicester has 165. England has given us a greater chance to become more devout than our parents.” “It's sad in a sense, though,” said Nirma. “Although we were born and brought up here, we are not experiencing Britain.” “But what’s the alternative?” asked Zubair. “Going clubbing and getting high?” He confessed: “I’d like to find it within myself to go up to any non-Muslim on the street and say, ‘This is who I am. Who are you? Lets have a chat’.” “It’s harder to do than it sounds, though,” said Rabi Miah. As a child, Na’ima B Robert liked carol singing but never thought of herself as religious. “I was nominally feminist, and when I went on a trip to Egypt after a really wild summer before my second year of university I was bothered by the women in hijab. It was only when I asked one of them why she was covering up that it hit me. She said, ‘I want to be judged for what I say and what I do — not what I look like’.” A year later Na’ima converted to Islam. A year after that she had guardians arrange a marriage. She felt liberated by her religion, and joined a growing number of Islamic feminists who feel hijab frees them from having to rely on beauty as their primary currency. “Anyone who’s ever smelt the reek of vomit on the side of the road can understand a little bit of the sense in the Koran,” she said. “But more than that Islam answered the biggest question you have as a young person, ‘Why are we here?’” Her friends and family were less pleased with her transformation. “My father was very upset. He felt like he would lose his daughter to Islam. Socially, my university friends and me were left with little in common. My religion is not something you do for two hours on a Friday. It’s holistic and hard to sustain when you’re not around people who help you.” Giles Hattersley Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 11 2005, 11:41 AM

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Posted by: Naresh Jul 11 2005, 02:57 PM

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/july-2005/12/index7.php Police patrols are being increased in Bradford after a suspected arson attack at the city’s Pakistan Consulate, BBC reported. It is thought a rubbish bin was set on fire and pushed against the front door of the building in Laisterdyke causing minor damage. The attack happened late on Sunday night and is still being investigated. “At this stage the motive is unclear. However, we will not tolerate attacks on our community,” a police spokeswoman said on Monday. “Police patrols have been increased and police will remain vigilant in the area and will continue to work closely with the local community,” she added. Ayaz Hussain, the Pakistani Consul, said: “The fire incident took place around midnight. We were informed by the police, who had been informed by some passers-by.” He said the consulate had no CCTV coverage out of office hours and that security had not been stepped up following the London bombings. “We were not expecting to have any trouble,” the consul added. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 11 2005, 04:23 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4672625.stm Indian Foreign Minister Natwar Singh has said "terrorist camps" are still continuing to function in Pakistan. In an interview with the BBC Hindi Service, Mr Singh said he had recently told Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz that he had evidence of the camps. "I have told them whenever they want we can provide them with photographs," Mr Singh said, adding he hoped current peace moves would continue. Pakistan's Foreign Ministry rejected the allegations. A spokesman said there were no such camps in Pakistan, and such allegations were "a legacy of the past". Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 12 2005, 02:09 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4674463.stm Four homes in West Yorkshire have been searched by police investigating last week's London bombings. Officers from the Met Police were assisted by the West Yorkshire force in an intelligence-led operation, a Met Police spokeswoman said. She said officers were searching a fifth address in the area, but no arrests had been made. Some 52 people were killed and 700 injured in last Thursday's explosions. Sir Ian Blair, Commissioner of the Met Police, confirmed the raids were part of the bombing investigation. He said: "There have been a series of searches carried out in Yorkshire. Those searches are still going on. "This activity is directly connected to the outrages on Thursday." The searches were carried out after warrants were issued under the Terrorism Act 2000, the police confirmed. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 16 2005, 12:16 PM

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page1.shtml 9/11 and now 7/7 : Najam Sethi’s E d i t o r i a l There are significant similarities and differences between the attackers of civilian targets on 9/11 in New York and 7/7 in London. These help explain the nature of the problem of “civilisational terrorism” and its possible outcome. Both were acts of war by so-called “Islamist” extremists described as “Al-Qaeda”. But in war, as we know, civilian targets have always been legitimate objectives of state terror. Hitler bombed London, Churchill bombed Dresden, the US bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Al Qaeda bombed New York, Bush bombed Afghanistan, Blair helped bomb Iraq, and Al Qaeda has bombed Madrid and London. More civilians have died in wars than soldiers. Both were an avowed terror-begets-terror blowback of American/British imperialistic policies of the last two decades, most notably in Muslim-targeted areas of Bosnia, Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq. Apparently, suicide bombing makes sense to the defenseless when their targets are ‘’hard” and the enemy is wealthy, well armed and highly intelligent. Thus suicide bombing is more a strategy against “occupation and violation” than a measure of “Islamic fundamentalism”. Suicide bombings were common in the Lebanese civil war in the early 1980s. But over 70% of the suicide bombers were Christians from predominantly secular groups. Until 2003, there were over 300 such incidents involving more than 450 suicidal attackers, mostly in Sri Lanka, Israel, Chechnya, Iraq and New York, of which less than 50% came from religiously affiliated groups. Thus suicide terrorism was a rational war strategy against occupying forces: the United States left Lebanon; Israel withdrew from Lebanon and now (much of) the West Bank; Sri Lanka gave the Tamils a semi-autonomous state, and Spain recently withdrew its forces from Iraq. In recent times suicide bombing has been especially favoured as a weapon of war because the occupying force and the ‘’occupied” insurgents come from different religious backgrounds. The Tamil ethnic minority in Sri Lanka is mostly Hindu and Christian; the Sinhalese majority are Buddhists, the Bush/Blair/Sharon occupying forces are Christian or Jewish while the suicide bombers are Muslim. In fact, the suicide impulse in the Middle East can be traced back to the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s, when thousands of Iranian soldiers marched to certain death against Iraqi tank formations bent on invading and occupying their land. That strain of self-sacrifice then spread into Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq. Both the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks were carried out by young men who were generally more educated and better off than their countrymen. They were in the mould of Omar Sheikh and not, as Bush and Blair would have us believe, the dregs of the earth jealous of the good fortune of the west. The differences are equally instructive. The 9/11 bombers were non-Americans of Arab origin. The 7/7 bombers were British citizens of Pakistani origin. The 9/11 bombers were all imported into America for the mission. The 7/7 bombers were second generation homespun British Muslims. This would suggest that as long as Bush and Blair remain in occupation of Muslim lands, future Muslim bombers need not be Islamic fundamentalists in the religious sense and need not belong to any given country of origin. Religion will henceforth only be a political marker of separateness and identity in a pan-nationalistic environment of protest and resistance rather than in the fundamentalist sense of religiosity. Some interesting facts about the composition of the Pakistani immigrant population of Britain might prove useful in understanding what happened on 7/7 and what to expect in the future. One recent study shows that a majority of the Pakistani-origin immigrants in the UK are Kashmiri who are concentrated in four regions: Birmingham, Bradford, Manchester and Glasgow. But because of their high birthrate, nearly 47 percent are under 16, as compared to 17 percent for their compatriot whites. Their unemployment rate is five times the British average; and the crime rate is higher among them than in any other community. Nearly 2 percent of the prisoners rotting in British jails are Pakistani, the highest for any one community. No wonder the suicide bombers came from among them rather than from among the Muslims of East African or Indian origin. The tragedy is that many of these UK Muslims have stubbornly resisted integration with British society. The pan-Islamic nationalist feeling of persecution in the Middle East, Kashmir and Chechnya has forced them to recede into defensive isolation. Worse, successive British governments have ignored the takeover of British Muslim mosques by extremist imams and khateebs from Pakistan belonging to the Deobandi fiqh that supplied the Taliban in Afghanistan. In exchange, Britain has exported the Hizbul Tahrir to Pakistan. This is an organisation that facilitates a zone of contact between alienated British Pakistanis and salafi Arab ideologues bent upon overthrowing national democracy and replacing it with pan-Islamic khilafat . Thomas Friedman is only partly right when he says that this is a Muslim problem and moderate Muslims had better resolve it themselves. This is the “good Muslim-if you’re-with-us and bad Muslim if-you’re-against-us” analysis that ignores the critical role of imperialistic occupation. Similarly, Robert Fisk is only partly right when he says that it is blowback time from Afghanistan and Iraq and Palestine. The truth is more complex and the blameworthy are many, not a few. The governments of Pakistan, UK and USA should take note. +++++ http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page6.shtml Military and the psychology of rape : Dr Ayesha Siddiqa Unlike an aggressor or an authoritarian dispensation that kills or rapes to assert its absolute power, the victim may indulge in a similar crime to escape the overall persecution .................

Posted by: Naresh Jul 17 2005, 02:54 AM

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/july-2005/17/editorials1.php Pakistan’s position confirmed - GUBO INTERESTINGLY, the Pakistani Foreign Office and the US State Department have offered different statements about the postponement of Mr Aziz’s visit to Washington. While a State Department official has claimed that the decision has been taken at the Pakistani government’s request, the FO spokesman not only had no knowledge of the request, but said, “We do not have any official communication about the postponement.” Since the visit was to come at the heels of Dr Manmohan Singh’s state visit to the US at a time when the Pak-India peace process is in need of a push to keep up the momentum, the hold-off is bound to trigger speculation. There is already talk that this decision may be linked to recent events that have increased pressure on the Pakistani government and made its position in the international community suddenly doubtful. There is also speculation that since Mr Aziz's working visit, on the heels of Mr Singh's state visit was of a lower protocol level, hence it was sought to be postponed by Islamabad. This does not work as such matters are handled at a diplomatic level before dates of such visits are announced. Despite having made numerous concessions, even at times seemingly at the cost of national honour, Flush.gif to stay on the right side of the USA’s War on Terror, Pakistan is again hounded by the same allegations of ‘breeding terrorism’ that the concessions were meant to ward off. At present, Islamabad faces increasing pressure on four counts. First, that three of four ‘foot-soldiers’ and the mastermind behind the London bombings were of ‘Pakistani descent’ is being taken as some kind of ‘smoking gun’ in the West. Suspicion that one of the bombers attended a religious madrassa in Lahore is again becoming a stick to beat Pakistan with. Second, Indian leaders have taken advantage of the opportunity and upped its terrorism allegations. Recently, the Indian FM, FS and High Commissioner to Pakistan have alleged not only crossborder infiltration and Pakistani support for the Kashmiri resistance, but also that Pakistan still ‘harbours terrorist training camps on its soil.’ Dr Singh is likely to push these canards when he meets President Bush. Third, President Hamid Karzai and Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad have papered over their own failures by blaming Pakistan for the increasing vigour of the Taliban resistance. This has caused the suspicion that the above may have a direct bearing on the fourth concern – the postponement of the US trip. In dealing with this situation, it seems the government has gone on the backfoot. It ought to refute the terrorist charge more forcefully. The fourth bomber was Jamaican born, an Egyptian chemist was also arrested, yet the world’s eyes have turned towards Pakistan, not Jamaica, while Egypt is allowed to defend its citizen. The government has not properly contested this point. The powerful nations also remain oblivious to the root causes of terrorism and have made no indications of addressing past follies. However, while the international community has gone overboard in placing ‘terrorism’ blame on Pakistan again, the Pakistani government still needs to finish the job. It must crush any charges of operating training camps, by proving they have been dismantled. Yet it should also take stock of a situation where, no matter how far it bends backwards, it gets blamed for anything that might happen, and that too by the supposed friends it works so hard to curry favour with. clap.gif cheers.gif Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 18 2005, 11:33 AM

http://in.news.yahoo.com/050718/137/5zdx3.html

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Other military sources said the incident occurred at the village of Kundi in the Kotli sector. "The Indians crossed over the Line of Control (LoC), and got into a house around 200-250 metres inside (Pakistani territory) and tried to take away two people," Sultan said. They returned to the Indian side with one man, and also roughed up an elderly man in the house, he said. "They haven't returned the citizen so far," the spokesman said.
What's happening? Ulta chor kotval ko Dantay!!!

Posted by: Naresh Jul 18 2005, 05:30 PM

I couldn’t have said it better user posted image Cheers

Posted by: Naresh Jul 18 2005, 05:59 PM

Omigosh! All these Days the Pakistanis blamed the Balochistani Terrorists for creating Short Circuits in Air Vacuum. Now the Sindis have also taken up the Art of creating Short Circuits in Air Vacuum : http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-7-2005_pg7_4 KARACHI: Pakistani security agencies have arrested five suspected militants accused of bombing bridges and gas pipelines in southern Sindh, police said on Monday. Five members of the separatist Sindhi Qaumi Movementwere arrested in Karachi in a raid by police and intelligence agents, police chief Tariq Jamil said. Five pistols and explosives were recovered from the suspects, who confessed that they had links with RAW, he said. They were identified as Faiz Chandio, Slaeem Somroo, Tahir Somroo, Ghulam Nabi and Ghulam Umar. Afp Cheers

Posted by: Mudy Jul 18 2005, 10:02 PM

I still can't believe it. It’s happening in a Islamic country. Why Muslims are blowing pipelines and killing own Muslim brothers. May be events in Palestine, Kashmir, UK, and USA etc. are major factor. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 19 2005, 02:10 AM

Mudy Ji : The Pakistani wish to grab the State of Jammu & Kashmir is Firstly for Water, Secondly for Water, Thirdly for Water and all the way to Lastly for Waters. There is no love for the Kashmiri People or Islam or any other cause for the benefit of the Kashmiri People http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/16/nat1.htm WASHINGTON, July 15: Linking the issue of Kashmir to the current dispute between India and Pakistan over the water of Indus and its tributaries, speakers at a seminar on Capitol Hill warned that the next war between the two could be fought over water. They, at the two-day seminar, which ends on Friday, warned that unless steps were taken to strengthen the peace process, the ongoing effort to improve relations might fail. They advised the two countries to involve the people of Jammu and Kashmir in their efforts to resolve the dispute for a durable settlement. Former foreign secretary Riaz Khokhar raised the possibility of a war over water while talking about India’s continued refusal to settle its disputes with Pakistan over the Baghlihar dam and Wullar barrage. Mr Khokhar said that not only that India was refusing to settle these disputes; it was also threatening to reopen the Indus Water Treaty that distributes the water of Indus and its tributaries between the two countries. “Experts say that if there is going to be another war between India and Pakistan, it may be over water,” warned Mr Khokhar. Prof Robert Wirsing, a renowned international scholar on South Asian affairs who is associated with the Asia Pacific Centre for Security Studies, Hawaii, backed Mr Khokhar’s assertion, saying that water and energy were two resources which had “aroused rivalry and bad feelings” among the nations of South Asia. He said some experts fear that if “there’s going to be a war among these nations, the irritant would be water or energy resource”. Federal Minister for Kashmir Affairs Makhdoom Faisal Saleh Hayat said India-Pakistan dialogue process had raised hopes for a just resolution of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute. The minister urged Pakistan, India and Kashmiris “to seize the opportunity” provided by the current peace process and work for a lasting peace that could bring economic prosperity to the entire region. Federal Minister for Religious Affairs Ijaz-ul-Huq said the people of Jammu and Kashmir were the real stakeholders and they should be included in the peace process. Dr Subramanum Swamy, president of the All India Janata Party, said he was not optimistic about the peace process because “the present path chosen by both India and Pakistan has many speed-breakers and roadblocks. We need to choose an alternative route.” He claimed that UN resolutions on Kashmir were not acceptable to Kashmiris because they provided only two options, either go for Pakistan or India and have no provision for an independent Kashmir. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 19 2005, 11:12 PM

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ISLAMABAD, July 20 (Online): Information Minister Sheikh Rashid has said that President Gen Pervez Musharraf's deadline for stamping out extremism has nothing to do with the London bombings but is just an endorsement of President's objectives against terrorism.
When he gave deadline? We may see Coup D'etat soon. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 19 2005, 11:18 PM

http://jang.com.pk/thenews/jul2005-daily/20-07-2005/main/main1.htm

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23 girl students of Islamabad seminary hurt in police raid; 31 arrests made in Karachi By Shakeel Anjum ISLAMABAD: Over 120 people, including Islamic clerics, have been detained in a countrywide swoop against religious extremists while girl students of a seminary were injured in a police raid here on Tuesday.
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spokesman of audio-video wholesalers association said police seized a number of CDs, DVDs and audiocassettes of religious scholars who never preached hatred. Meanwhile, a case has been registered against three religious leaders, including outlawed Sipah-i-Sahaba leader and Millat-i-Islamia Pakistan patron Maulana Ali Sher Haideri, for violating ban on the use of loudspeaker and making objectionable speech. Sources revealed that police would not allow the banned outfits including Sipah-i-Sahaba, Tehreeki-i-Jafaria, Jaish-i-Muhammad, Lashkar-i-Taiba, Lashkar-i-Jhanghvi and Sipah-i-Muhammad to contest local government elections.

Posted by: Naresh Jul 20 2005, 04:37 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4697281.stm Police in Pakistan have detained about 150 suspected Islamist extremists in a series of raids on religious schools, mosques and other properties. The suspects are being questioned about any links they might have with militant groups or with the London bombers. Three of the four bombers are known to have visited Pakistan recently. President Pervez Musharraf is expected to announce new measures to curb religious extremism during a televised speech on Thursday. On Tuesday, British Prime Minister Tony Blair said he was anxious for Pakistan to crack down on extremist teaching in its Islamic schools. Protests One of the raids was at a prominent Islamic school, or madrassa, in Islamabad. Known as the Lal Masjid, the mosque and its adjacent religious school are known for supporting a banned extremist group, the BBC's Zaffar Abbas reports from Islamabad. Armed police entered the school around midnight and took away two senior clerics and more than 15 students. Soon after, hundreds of students gathered outside the school compound and shouted slogans against the United States and Gen Musharraf. Riot police dispersed them by firing several rounds of tear gas. Security officials told the BBC that more than 70 people were rounded up for questioning after raids in three cities in Punjab province. None of them have been formally charged. In North West Frontier Province, police detained 40 suspects, said to be members of banned militant groups. A senior security official told the BBC one of the main purposes of the raids was to find possible clues about the movements of two of the London bombers who travelled to Pakistan last year. But Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed denied that among those detained was a British Muslim wanted in connection with the London bombings. "The person arrested is not the al-Qaeda suspect... he is not the al-Qaeda man as reported by the media," he told the BBC. Reports that a man "with direct links" to the London attacks had been held in Lahore could also not be confirmed. Earlier crackdowns Raids carried out by the Pakistani security forces earlier this week targeted Islamist publications and members of religious organisations banned by Gen Musharraf in 2002. The latest raids follow crackdowns launched in 2000 and 2002. These proved to be effective for only a short time, as militant groups re-emerged with new names. President Musharraf has said he will extend full support to Britain in the investigation into the London attacks in which 56 people died, including the four bombers. Pakistan has confirmed that three of the bombers, all Britons of Pakistani descent, visited the country. Mohammad Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer visited Pakistan together last year, spending three months in the country. A third, Hasib Hussain, also visited last year. Shehzad Tanweer's family say he visited a madrassa. Cheers

Posted by: Naresh Jul 20 2005, 08:51 AM

BUSH TO AZIZ : YOUR AYAZ IS GRASS Flush.gif http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_20-7-2005_pg7_5 WASHINGTON: The Shaukat Aziz visit to Washington was called off because the Bush administration was unwilling to accord him more than a businesslike welcome. Pakistani suggestions that he be hosted at a White House dinner, like the Indian prime minister, or be invited to address a joint session of Congress, were turned down politely but firmly. Neither were there any guarantees available that his media reception would remain “respectful.” It was also discreetly suggested that Shaukat Aziz was an “elected” prime minister in a technical rather than in a real sense. The Pakistani leader who is seen as the man in charge is President Pervez Musharraf. The London bombings proved to be the final straw as far as the visit was concerned as it was felt in Islamabad that their fallout would cloud the atmosphere and the visit, instead of helping Pakistan’s image, would further tarnish it. The cancellation came at Pakistan’s request, and while it does not affect the relationship between the two countries in any adverse sense, it has certainly caused a certain amount of awkwardness and embarrassment to both sides. No next date is on the cards but the invitation still stands. However, the Pakistani prime minister is unlikely to be in Washington any time soon. cheers.gif Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 20 2005, 09:17 AM

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It was also discreetly suggested that Shaukat Aziz was an “elected” prime minister in a technical rather than in a real sense
Same is with ManMohan Singh. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 20 2005, 04:51 PM

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/jul2005-daily/21-07-2005/main/main1.htm Indian PM asks Pakistan to curb ‘militant infiltration’; five Indian troops killed in Srinagar car blast WASHINGTON: Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh warned Pakistan on Wednesday that he might be forced to suspend peace efforts if Pakistan does not curb militant infiltrations into held Kashmir. "I as the prime minister of a democracy cannot move ahead of Indian public opinion if acts of terrorism are not under control -- that certainly affects my ability to push forward the process of normalising our relations with Pakistan," he said. Singh, wrapping up a four-day visit to the United States, said the backdrop for resolution of the Kashmir issue "can be easily vitiated if Pakistan's territory continues to be used to fan terrorist acts directed against our country". Singh spoke after a car bomb blew up an army jeep on Wednesday, killing five soldiers and at least one civilian and injuring 20 people near a school in an elite neighbourhood of Srinagar. Police said a suicide bomber was also killed in the blast when he rammed the car into the jeep, which would bring the death toll to seven, but a militant group that claimed responsibility for the blast said it was triggered in a parked car by remote-control. India's government called the attack an effort to derail peace talks between India and Pakistan, but promised to push ahead with the dialogue with its neighbour. No children were hurt inside the Burn Hall school in Srinagar, senior police officer Haseeb Ahmed said. But the blast knocked down part of a wall and shattered windows in a neighbourhood filled with homes of top government officials, Ahmed said. The injured, both civilians and security officials, were taken to a hospital, where some of them were in serious condition, he said. A caller identifying himself as Salim Hashmi, spokesman for the Hizbul Mujahideen group, claimed responsibility for the blast in a call to a local news agency, Current News Service. He denied there was a suicide bomber. Sriprakash Jaiswal, India's junior Home Minister, told the private Channel 7 that there were "elements do not want the peace talks to succeed". "We are trying to either bring such elements on the right path or eliminate them," he said. Ahmed said a hatchback car followed an army jeep and rammed into it from behind outside the home of Chief Justice SN Jha and close to the Burn Hall School. The crushed remains of the car lay on the leafy avenue near shreds of flesh and the bodies of soldiers. The severely damaged army jeep lay toppled on a side. Bits of the engine, metal and glass shards and other debris lay on the blood-splattered road. Police did not find the body of an attacker, but said they believed it would have been blown to pieces. Hashmi said the car was parked on the side of the road and triggered by remote-control, CNS reported. If true, the unattended car in such a high-security neighbourhood would raise questions about possible security lapses. Police stuck to their version of the events. "Though the Hizb spokesman had claimed it was not a suicide attack, the ground situation suggests something different. There is no crater on the site. It was a moving vehicle which was brought in at that moment," Inspector-General Javed Makhdoomi told the private NDTV news channel. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 21 2005, 03:49 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1437277,001301700000.htm thumbup.gif Washington, July 21, 2005 Observing that the proposed multi-billion dollar Indo-Iran gas pipeline via Pakistan is fraught with risks, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said he did not know if any international consortium of bankers would underwrite the project. clap.gif "Only preliminary discussions have taken place (on the pipeline). We are terribly short of our energy supply and we desperately need new sources of energy. And that's why with Pakistan we have agreed to explore the possibility of the pipeline," he told The Washington Post on Wednesday when asked about the discussions on building a gas pipeline with Iran. "But I am realistic enough to realise that there are many risks because considering all the uncertainties of the situation there in Iran. I don't know if any international consortium of bankers would probably underwrite this. But we are in a spate of preliminary negotiations, and the background of this is we desperately need the supply of gas that Iran has," the Prime Minister said. Asked whether India can use its new relationship with the US to help the country on relations with Iran, Singh said: "We are entirely one with the rest of the world, that countries which take solemn international obligations, that they must honour those obligations...Our interest would be to work with other like-minded countries that a constructive solution can be found for the problems that Iran is expressing, that the world community is expressing about Iran." Singh, however, expressed hope that India could act as a bridge between US and Iran. "We have strong civilisational links with Iran. Also, I would say that Iran is the largest Shia Muslim country in the world. We have the second largest Shia Muslim population in our country...And I do believe (with) that part of our unique history, we can be a bridge," he said. When pointed out that many people in the US are concerned about the proposed Indo-US civilian nuclear agreement because of the issue of nuclear proliferation, Singh said India's peaceful nuclear programme was not built by stealing other people's technology. "We had this dream that it was better to work towards a world free of nuclear weapons and we had this dream of universal nuclear disarmament. "We have been proved wrong and the result is we have seen in our neighbourhood reckless proliferation in disregard of all the international obligations. But although we have nuclear assets, our programme is totally under civilian control. We are a democracy, there are enough checks and balances in our country, and we have an impeccable record of not contributing in any way to nuclear proliferation," he said. clap.gif Well Done, Prime Minister! cheers.gif Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 21 2005, 07:06 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1437177,001301790000.htm Does this mean Pak is still intact with its jewel?

Posted by: Mudy Jul 21 2005, 08:38 AM

Pak Prez address to nation begins -HT Another London Bomb blast or Coup????????????

Posted by: Naresh Jul 21 2005, 10:17 AM

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Pak Prez address to nation begins -HT Another London Bomb blast or Coup????????????
Mudy Ji: Here your are : http://www.geo.tv/main_files/pakistan.aspx?id=83141 ISLAMABAD: President General Pervez Musharraf has appealed to the masses to vote for enlightened candidates instead of extremists in the next elections. The President on Thursday sought support of the nation in the fight against extremism, terrorism and for promoting real essence and true values of Islam for the cause of Pakistan. Addressing the nation over television and radio, he urged the people to join hands against extremism and wage a "jihad" against those fanning hatred and preaching violence in society in the name of religion. The President underlined the need for ridding the society of extremism and terrorism, saying the extremists were causing harm to Pakistan by their actions. "They are bringing a bad name to our great religion of Islam by spreading hatred and chaos in the society," he added. President Musharraf asked the people to reject such elements in the upcoming Local Government elections and vote for those who want to steer the country towards progress and prosperity. Reviewing developments around the world, the President spoke of the situation facing the Islamic Ummah, events in the region and the challenges confronting Pakistan. He said the world is in turmoil with innocent people being killed in bomb blasts and suicide attacks and added that those involved in these acts as well those suffering from them, were unfortunately, all Muslims. The President stressed the need for presenting true values of Islam, as a religion of love, peace, harmony and tolerance. President Musharraf strongly condemned the act of terrorism in London and said those involved were not human beings. He said although they claimed to be doing it in the name of Islam, whereas in Islam, killing of one innocent person amounts to killing the entire humanity. The President said by such heinous acts, these extremist elements were not achieving anything other than bringing a bad name to Islam and the Muslims. They are misguided and cannot earn any thing from their acts of terrorism, other than tarnishing the image of Islam. He said Pakistan is strongly contributing to the affairs of the world, the Ummah and the region. He said our positive actions of today would benefit the coming generations. Pakistan's contribution to world peace will raise the stature of the country in the comity of nations, he said. President Musharraf emphasized that the West should help resolve political disputes affecting the Muslims, which are at the root of extremism and terrorism. On his strategy of Enlightened Moderation, he said it has two prongs, to be delivered by the Muslim world and the West. He said it offered a win-win for all and would specially be in the interest of the Ummah Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 21 2005, 10:24 AM

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President Musharraf emphasized that the West should help resolve political disputes affecting the Muslims, which are at the root of extremism and terrorism.
Guantanamo Bay, IRAQ, Palestine,Sudan, Sindh, Balouchistan, NWFP, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Kashmir................................
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He said it offered a win-win for all and would specially be in the interest of the Ummah
Pakistan, leader of Ummah

Posted by: Viren Jul 21 2005, 10:52 AM

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=51117&headline=Islamists~may~seize~Pak~nukes:~PM More aid for Paki army rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 21 2005, 11:24 AM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_21-7-2005_pg3_4

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Let me leave you with this short story sent to me by an old and treasured friend: “My niece’s brother-in-law (20) has joined AL-DAWA. He disappeared recently. Her father-in-law requested X to accompany him to MANSEHRA where the boy was supposedly ‘under training’. He wanted his son to return home. They managed to reach the camp but after a dreadful experience returned post haste to Islamabad without even setting eyes on the boy. Weeks later he returned and told his parents that they should accept his decision or he will never return home. He is to be paid a stipend of rupees 1500/-month. The “worker” (they have an Arabic name for recruiters which translates into ‘a worker’) who recruited him lives with his two wives in a plush apartment in F-11, and will reportedly get Rupees 0.7 million when they feel that the recruit is a confirmed Jihadi. Not a bad bargain for luring and brainwashing someone else’s child. But the question is: how can this be going on in a country like Pakistan where nothing moves without the consent of Rawalpindi (GHQ)?”

Posted by: Mudy Jul 21 2005, 05:14 PM

Friday times - GUPSUP

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From Lahore Qila to Kattas Writing in the Jang, Hamid Mir stated that India’s BJP leader LK Advani always thought that Lahore was founded by Ram’s son Loh. He asked his historians about the grave (samadhi) of Loh in the Lahore fort, but they thought the samadhi was actually set up by Sikhs under Ranjit Singh in recent history and was not the real samadhi. Then Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain invited Advani to come and inaugurate the restoration of the samadhi inside Lahore Fort. But better sense prevailed and Advani decided to go to the authentic Hindu mandir of thousands of years at Kattas in Jhelum. MMA should cut itself off! Quoted in the daily Pakistan, ex-general Zaheerul Islam Abbasi (1995 unsuccessful military coup) said in Rawalpindi that the MMA should unite all the religious elements and strive for the establishment of khilafat on the model of Khilafat-e-Rashida and not go after a baatil political system. Abbasi has renamed his party from Hizbullah to Azmat Islam Why tremble if we have the bomb? Quoted by the Nawa-e-Waqt, ex-president Rafiq Tarar said why was the government trembling (thar-thar) if it had the nuclear bomb to throw on the enemy. Speaking on the occasion of Yom-e-Takbir he said the government was daily announcing that its nuclear programme was in safe hands. He said soon a popular wave (awami rela) would come and sweep the government from power. He said Nawaz Sharif was brave because he tested the nuclear device in 1998 despite American pressure. Needles out of another girl ROTFL.gif According to the daily Pakistan, a girl in Khankah Dogran in Punjab had started producing steel needles from her big toe. So far she had expelled more than a hundred needles. The discovery followed a similar phenomenon in Karachi where a girl expelled needles from her fingers. The doctors said that there was no scientific principle according to which human body could produce steel needles. Cowardice and bravery Writing in Khabrain Jamaat Islami leader Hafiz Idrees stated that in the case of Zarqavi one heard that he had been wounded, but his followers thanked Allah and announced that they would carry on the war. In the case of Bush, he never got hurt when one Cessna plane caused the White House to vacate in great hurry. One side was brave, the other side was cowardly. biggrin.gif Cohen as ideological aggressor Great intellectual Fateh Muhammad Malik wrote in the Nawa-e-Waqt that American author Stephen Cohen, in his book The Idea of Pakistan, had advised Pakistan to submit to the key interests of America and India. This was a kind of aggression of America Sipah-e-Danish (troops of intellect) on Pakistan.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 21 2005, 05:19 PM

Friday times

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Clueless in NY The defrocked former home minister, now holding the consolation prize portfolio of Kashmir, landed in the Big Apple last week. Next we knew he was holding a “press conference” at the UN, of all places (only Paki scribblers showed up). Asked why he was holidaying at the poor taxpayer’s expense (he is heading a party of four), he replied that he was here to encourage Kashmiris to invest in Azad Kashmir. That there are only 100 Kashmiri families living in the entire US did not appear to be in his knowledge. The “spouted utensil” expressed outrage at press reports that his record-breaking tour would last 27 days. When asked how many days it would last, he replied innocently, “Only 15.” Our mole says it is 18. However, there is some good news for the taxpayer. Clueless and the four heavies he has in tow have cancelled plans to visit Disneyland. And back at the ranch Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Jemima’s ex husband has been visited by a beautiful 41 year old French woman whom he has shown some of Pakistan’s most splendid vistas, ranging from Kalar Kahar to the highest peaks in the north. Although the Great Khan is currently visiting his sons in Britain, his new madamoiselle appears to be making preparations for a longer stay in Pakistan.

Posted by: acharya Jul 21 2005, 05:59 PM

Madrasa and terror William Dalrymple may be right in saying that madrasa education cannot produce technically literate terrorists like those involved in the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks ("No madrasa link to London attacks," July 21). But it is the kind of fundamentalism preached in these seminaries and their hardline radical approach to Islam that eventually lead to the creation of a group that can be used in jihadi warfare. Youngsters taught here may not be capable of chalking out a strategy or even understanding the policies they oppose. But they act as puppets in the hands of their masters. It is this kind of brainwashing that needs to be checked. Vaishali Rao, Mysore The suggestion in the article "Lessons for Muslims from London bombings" (July 19) that Muslims should read the Koran in their own language to avoid being influenced by misinterpretations was excellent. The translation of and an authentic commentary on the Koran are available in almost all the popular languages of the world. But it is the responsibility of individual Muslims to spare time to understand the teachings, instead of just listening to discourses by mullahs. Unless they make the effort, translated works will not help much. Mohammed Abdul Hai Zahid, Roorkee, Uttaranchal It appears the author has confined the entire Islamic world to a few pockets of Muslim community in Leeds. Planting bombs in common places, killing civilians, abducting innocent people, etc., are unheard of in the history of Islamic holy wars. The observation that people recite the Koran without understanding its meaning is far from true, as commentaries are available in all local languages. K.A.S. Ali, Chennai Terrorism thrives not because it has the support of the masses but because the projected cause has their tacit approval. A majority of Hindus were horrified at the demolition of the Babri Masjid but not all of them considered the kar sevaks who demolished it anti-social or anti-national. They somehow rationalised it as an act of retaliation. Similarly, Muslims feel they are being targeted and this may prevent them from isolating those who are supposedly fighting their cause. Muslims in London have made a good beginning by denouncing the terrorists. S. Rajagopalan, Chennai

Posted by: Mudy Jul 22 2005, 08:00 AM

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=74837 Harmonising the Indo-Pak equation is key to moderating the Muslim world SAEED NAQVI

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You may, in your state of funk, lose sight of transgressions across the LoC to insulate Musharraf from internal pressures. This would be a fatal mistake. Remember, 500 million Muslims live in South Asia — India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Maldives — more than in all of Middle East. Moderate these Muslim by harmonising the Indo-Pak equation. Reared in a tolerant civilisation, they will be an engine for moderating the Muslim world. Democracy is a function of the fundamental sanity of India with its countless checks and balances. India will lurch forward with its elephantine tread. But if your limited attention span restricts you to firefighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, keeping subcontinental priorities to another day, you may lose control in the country you consider indispensable — Pakistan.
He is more worried about his Ummah, read his twisted reasoning to justify. I always believed he is Paki army plant, but now I am sure.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 22 2005, 09:01 AM

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1. Pakistan is Paleetustan. 2. Qaid-e-Azam is kafir-i-Azam
Anyone have any clue on these fatwa originated from Pakistan around 1947 ? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: SSridhar Jul 22 2005, 10:13 AM

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Mudy, Anyone have any clue on these fatwa originated from Pakistan around 1947 ?
I won't be surprised if it had been issued by the Deobandis led by Maulana Maududi of the Jam'aat-e-Islami-al-Hind. He was opposed to the creation of Pakistan as his motives were even more sinister than those of the kafir-e-azam.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 22 2005, 10:18 AM

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Deobandis led by Maulana Maududi of the Jam'aat-e-Islami-al-Hind
His objective was to covert Hindus forcefully as they did in early 1900s in Delhi, complete Islamization of undivided India.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 22 2005, 01:17 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050722/wl_nm/security_pakistan_protests_dc

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Up to 700 Islamists, most of them teenagers or in their 20s, chanted anti-Musharraf and anti-U.S. slogans at Islamabad's Lal or Red Mosque, which was raided by security forces searching for militants on Tuesday. Some shouted slogans in support of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan's fundamentalist Taliban government, which was overthrown by U.S.-led forces after the al Qaeda attacks on U.S. cities on Sept. 11, 2001. The protesters pelted a police post with stones, destroyed lamp posts and set fire to a police motorcycle. Similar rallies were held in the cities of Karachi, Lahore, Quetta and Peshawar. Many of the protesters were students from Islamic schools, or madrasas, some of which are accused of being breeding grounds for militancy.
Even 700 would be terrorist are dangerous for world.

Posted by: Mudy Jul 22 2005, 01:24 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050722/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_tribal_killings_1

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LADHA, Pakistan - Assailants killed five tribal elders who had helped Pakistan's army hunt for al-Qaida-linked militants in a remote, lawless region near the Afghan border, residents and officials said Friday. The elders were gunned down in three attacks in various parts of South Waziristan, a deeply conservative mountainous region run by local tribes, and only nominally ruled by Islamabad. Officials have blamed Islamic militants in the region for previous attacks on pro-government elders in the country's tribal areas, where Pakistan has deployed more than 70,000 troops to trace and arrest al-Qaida-linked militants and their local supporters. At least 50 other elders have been killed after they started cooperating with the Pakistani army

Posted by: Naresh Jul 22 2005, 05:00 PM

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/jul2005-daily/23-07-2005/oped/o1.htm It may well be that the London bombings happened only because of Britain's pillion-rider" (according to the think-tank Chatham House) status in the US assault on Iraq. It may well be that Muslims are enraged at what is happening to their own across the world. But why is it that most of the terrorists who go about the world trying to bomb themselves and others to oblivion have the deepest linkages to Pakistan? From Reid the shoe-bomber to three of the four London bombers, all of them had their teachers and guides in Pakistani madrassas? Why? I ask because it is not as if we stand out in any way amongst the Ummah: it is not as if we are the most aware among our co-religionists; it is not that we are the best 'Muslims' that we should so 'stand up' for the down-trodden Iraqis and Afghans; neither is it that we as a people are the most politically sensitised. So why are we in the forefront of terrorism across the world? For those who would make the point that the three London bombers were born, brought up and educated in Britain and so their being of Pakistani descent is neither here nor there, I would ask why there aren't any Lebanese or Syrians or Libyans or Moroccans or Tunisians born, brought up and educated in England among the suicide bombers? Indeed, why aren't there any Iraqis and Afghans among them? Why? Simple: Pakistan is the hub of terrorism it is due to the thousands of un-regulated madrassas teaching the poison that we saw spewed in London. All due to the fact that clerics can do in Pakistan what they want, in blatant disregard of the law no matter how loud the talk and how visible the posturing. Just listen carefully to what the mullahs say in their Friday sermons in the mosques and you will know what I mean. Every single khutba is laden with hate and rancour. As I suggested last week, the mullahs are cosseted by the Establishment which goes back a long way with them. Do we not remember well the fact that the Establishment quite shamelessly used these pet obscurant mullahs and clerics against its enemies whenever it felt at risk: even internally against democratically elected civilian governments? Indeed, so deep is our Establishment's involvement with terror that all manner of desperado and yahoo has been allowed to breeze into and out of our country, on his journey towards some dastardly act or the other: witness the beauty of Something or other Reid, who tried to blow up an airliner over the Atlantic, and who visited the Land of the Pure three or four times within the space of a year or so. How come? Let me ask for the umpteenth time: how did this man get a visa to travel to Pakistan considering the fact that he was a no-good petty criminal, a dirty, filthy, bum who lived on the mean streets of London? I mean it takes sifarish to get my Brit friends Pakistani visas longer than one month's duration, so how come Reid walked into and out of the country at will? If the Big General REALLY wants to sort out the supporters of terror within the corridors of power in Islamabad the Beautiful, he should order an immediate inquiry into the granting of visas to Reid. I'll bet he'll find the godfathers of most of the bad boys who go about giving our country a bad name. As an aside shouldn't we be grateful to the British for granting at least some Pakistanis five-year multiple-entry visas when we allow their citizens, very respectable ones too, just one month single-entry visas? Somebody in the FO/Interior Ministry wake up please: our visa officers in London should turn cart-wheels at every application to visit the Islamic Republic, considering the 'soft-image' getting softer and all. More posturing: The Big General is quoted thus in our press, saying to General Abizaid the C-in-C Central Command and lord of all he surveys from Iraq to Afghanistan: "Now, we want our borders to be respected in the war of terrorism and will not put up with future border breaches." Obviously as a reaction to the Americans crossing the border in pursuit of the Taliban and killing 20-something of them two weeks ago. Of course, this was an action against Taliban whom we said were not there in the first place, when our various spokesmen locked horns with Zalmay Khalilzad, the ill-selected US ambassador to Afghanistan now despatched to Iraq. How the General will enforce his warning to General Abizaid, a slightly BIGGER General than any of ours, commanding an Army a little more powerful than ours, we don't know. Could it be that our 'bum' gives him heart? Or the fact that he is a tight buddy of Dubya's?Neither will help I am afraid, which prompts me to say that this is yet another example of loud talk which can never be matched with action should the Americans decide to, say, cross the border another time or, say, bomb Parachinar tomorrow. Far better, is it not, that we try and keep our noses as clean as possible? And hope for the best? Bushism of the week: "I think younger workers -- first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government -- promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is" – President George W. Bush; Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005 The writer is a retired army officer and a freelance columnist Email: kshafi1@yahoo.co.uk Cheers

Posted by: Mudy Jul 23 2005, 01:03 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4710435.stm

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Police in the Pakistani province of Punjab have briefly detained over 100 prayer leaders for breaking a law on broadcasting sermons over loudspeakers. The arrests came amid a crackdown on suspected religious extremists in Pakistan, following bombings in London. Police said the government had ordered strict observance of a law which says loudspeakers must be used only for the call to prayers, and not for sermons. Sermons broadcast on loudspeakers are accused of helping fan sectarian hate
Blair danda is working but Paki revolving door is well greased. biggrin.gif

Posted by: k.ram Jul 25 2005, 03:53 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4713723.stm

Posted by: Mudy Jul 25 2005, 08:14 AM

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Egypt hunts Pakistanis over bombs
I am not sure what Mushy can do now. Either close all Pakistan borders and any communication from world for next 10 years may do some wonder. I only see COUP, which will again solve short term problem "Pakistan" for west. biggrin.gif

Posted by: k.ram Jul 25 2005, 08:41 AM

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Egypt hunts Pakistanis over bombs
I am not sure what Mushy can do now. Either close all Pakistan borders and any communication from world for next 10 years may do some wonder. I only see COUP, which will again solve short term problem "Pakistan" for west. biggrin.gif
Or Declare the "hunting season" open, and throw the borders open for Yindoo-Yehudi-Yankee special forces! b_evil.gif

Posted by: Naresh Jul 27 2005, 04:53 PM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_28-7-2005_pg5_3 ISLAMABAD: The Ministry of Railways is considering importing 10 railway engines, 200 freight wagons and 100 passenger vans from India, and the case has been put before the prime minister for approval, a senior government official told Daily Times. “The Ministry of Railways is considering some imports from India. The ministry is of the view that the import is feasible from India,” said the official. The proposal, which has been sent to the Prime Minister’s Secretariat will open up another avenue of cooperation between the two countries as Islamabad and New Delhi are currently taking confidence building measures (CBMs) to improve the bilateral relation and trade. Pakistan has already allowed the import of some kitchen items from India, as their import form India is comparatively inexpensive that, according to the government, will bring down the prices of these items in Pakistan. The official said that there were two important aspects of the proposal, which sought nod of the prime minister. The most important aspect of the proposal that the ministry of railways is considering the import railway engines, freight wagons and passenger vans and the ministry will take them on lease. However, at the same time, the ministry is also considering to purchase these items if the Indian railway authorities rejected the proposal on giving them on lease. The official said that the ministry is preferring to import the items and commission in the Pakistan Railways on lease. “This is placed on high priority in the proposal,” the official said. He said that the ministry would reconsider the proposal in case the prime minister gave a ‘go ahead’ signal. The ministry would calculate the cost of the import to be procured on lease or purchase, and the summary would be sent to the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the federal cabinet, the official added. The official said that the ministry of railways always strove for inexpensive import of railway engines, bogies and passenger vans. In the past, the some locomotives and bogies were imported from China, which, unfortunately, had not been a good experience. Pakistan and India inherited the railway system from the British Raj. The systems operating in the two countries are, more or less, the same including the same rail tracks. India, the official said, could be the easy destination for the import of locomotives and other items in terms of costing less on the national exchequer. The import, if approved by the top authorities in the government, would make it easy for Pakistan Railways to go on fast track on some of its development projects which are aimed at improving the freight and passenger services. The proposal of inviting the private sector to invest in the railways by providing freight and passenger services is already under the active consideration. The Ministry of Privatization and Investment has been pursuing the case with different local and foreign companies to invest in the PR. The import from India is expected to encourage the private sector. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 29 2005, 07:59 AM

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http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page2a.shtml Malaysia demands strict security clearance for Pak manpower : M R Klasra Malaysia is the first Muslim country to inform Pakistan that it will only import workers under a new, stricter policy framework In light of the changed security environment after the recent suicide attacks in London and Egypt, Malaysia has slowed down the process of recruitment of manpower from Pakistan and has made it compulsory for incoming Pakistani workers to produce a security clearance certificate issued by the police. Malaysia is the first country – out of the 40 to which Pakistan supplies manpower – that has informed Pakistan that it will only import workers who hold machine-readable passports. Interestingly, Malaysia is also the first Muslim country that has, on the basis of serious levelled charges against Pakistani immigrants for their involvement in criminal and militant activities around the globe, told Pakistan that it will only import workers under a new, stricter policy framework. After expelling well over 500,000 illegal Pakistani immigrants in the recent past, the Malaysian government now plans to recruit some 200,000 workers from Pakistan. However, this deal has been stalled by Malaysia’s apprehensions over Pakistani’s links with terrorist groups. Pakistan is in the process of formulating a new policy under which all workers going to Malaysia will be required to obtain a clearance certificate from the local police station. If the worker fails to produce a certificate corroborating his or her good conduct duly signed by the SHO of his area, the Malaysian government can deny him a visa even if he fulfils all other conditionalities. .........................

Posted by: Mudy Jul 29 2005, 08:07 AM

Friday times Jokes on Pakistan

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Pakistan saved with Rs 20 thousand Quoted in the daily Pakistan, ex-speaker of the National Assembly Gohar Ayub Khan said that the plans for an Indian invasion of Pakistan were bought from an Indian brigadier for Rs 20,000 by a Pakistani intelligence officer based in London between 1951 and 1958. His name was Major Syed Ghaus. The plans turned out to be correct and Pakistan was saved in 1965. He said the Indian brigadier sold Indian secrets because his wife was interested in preserving vegetables and needed Rs 20,000 urgently. Ex-army chief Aslam Beg in the Nawa-e-Waqt rebutted Gohar Ayub’s claim that the secrets of India’s invasion of 1965 had been obtained by General Ayub. He said there was no record of such a thing in the army. Ex-ISI chief Hameed Gul said Gohar Ayub should not have revealed state secrets about an Indian brigadier who was still alive. Did Advani try to kill Jinnah? According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, BJP leader LK Advani was not involved in a conspiracy to kill the Quaid in 1947. The Jamshed Quarter police station revealed that a case was registered in September 1947 against a group of Hindus for conspiring to kill the Quaid with an explosive which the RSS culprits were caught preparing in Shikarpur Colony in Karachi after the bomb exploded prematurely. The inspector who registered the FIR was a Hindu, Moti Ram. But one witness who had come forth to help the police was Ram Chand Advani which was later confused with LK Advani, the former deputy prime minister of India and present BJP leader. Ram Chand Advani had come forward against the RSS. Pakistani women without ‘burqa’! Quoted in Khabrain, visiting BJP leader LK Advani’s family was shocked to see that women in Pakistan roamed around without burqa. They thought that with so much Islamic rigidity and Islamic laws, the women would be sitting at home or covered with burqa. They in fact noted that Pakistani women were good-looking and had a high sense of fashion in clothes. biggrin.gif ‘Little Pakistan’ is dead! Writing in the daily Pakistan, Syed Akmal Aleemi stated that Coney Island Avenue was once Little Pakistan where a two-mile stretch was dotted with shops and restaurants owned by Pakistanis who roamed around in tehband, shalwar and dhoti while speaking Punjabi and Pushtu. After 9/11, however, most of the Pakistanis hoping to get naturalised had run away because of their illegal status. Now half of Little Pakistan was shut down and the rest of the shops were in the grip of manda (low custom). Pakistan is secular! The daily Khabrain quoted BJP leader LK Advani as saying that Jinnah had declared Pakistan a secular state. The fact that he had been asked to inaugurate the conservation of the Hindu mandir at Kattas also proved that Pakistan had no religious bias and therefore was a secular state. He said Jinnah was a great leader and Pakistan came into being because of him.

Posted by: Srirangan Jul 30 2005, 11:24 AM

http://www.india-defence.com/reports/124 Link: http://www.india-defence.com/reports/124 Agency: Reuters WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration has approved an initial shipment to Pakistan of two F-16 fighter jets, a down payment on what is expected to be a larger sale of newer U.S. fighters over Indian objections, congressional sources briefed on the plan said on Friday. The decision to initially provide Pakistan, a war on terrorism ally, with two older but refurbished F-16s comes less than two weeks after President Bush reversed long-standing U.S. policy by promising to help India, Pakistan's nuclear rival, develop its civilian nuclear power sector. India had expressed concern to Washington about its proposed sale of F-16s to Pakistan. Nuclear-armed rivals India and Pakistan have fought three wars and were on the brink of another in 2002. One congressional source said of the timing of the decision, "They (Bush administration officials) didn't want to start moving F-16s to Pakistan until after the Indian prime minister had come and gone." http://www.india-defence.com/reports/124

Posted by: Naresh Jul 30 2005, 04:06 PM

Pakistan’s Literacy Rate Zooms Up http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/jul2005-daily/31-07-2005/oped/editorial.htm

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There is some more good news for the country on the literacy front. According to Hussain Jahanian Gardezi, Punjab Minister for Literacy and Non-formal Basic Education, the literacy rate in Pakistan has taken yet another leap. Believe it or not, the minister insists it is up to 53.5 per cent now liar.gif . Source of his information : unknown.
About three months ago Pakistan’s Literacy Rate was only 8.5 per cent : http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_7-5-2005_pg3_5
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DT : You talked of Turkey and Iran as models. But there are proponents of the Malaysian model too, in Pakistan? Have you taken that into consideration? ALH : That model can’t be introduced here. I have gone there. They are very disciplined and literate. They train people for Haj by making models of Ka’aba and the Mina ground. If we make models somewhere on Super highway, people will believe Ka’aba is here and they will start performing Haj here. Basically, it depends upon education. Only 8.5 percent people are literate in Pakistan Flush.gif and most of them live in urban areas. If illiteracy comes into religion, it plays havoc. The media also plays important role, which is not positive here. For several years people have been watching announcers on TV with dupattas and suddenly they watch vulgarity on private TV channels. This too is wrong. A religious scholar named Jalalpuri said in a column in an Urdu newspaper that watching TV was sinful and whoever had a TV set in his house would not go to paradise. What will his follower do? Note : ALH : Minister of state for Religious Affairs "Aamer Liaqat Hussain"
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Posted by: Mudy Jul 30 2005, 06:20 PM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1447189,000500020000.htm

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The men congregated in a park after Friday prayers and piled up about 25 TV sets, doused them with fuel and set them on fire, said witnesses from the Charsadda district of the North West Frontier Province near the Afghan border
It seems they don't have exchange programme. Or may they have destroyed Black & White TV. Whatever boom for TV dealers. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 30 2005, 06:21 PM

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Pakistan’s Literacy Rate Zooms Up
may be education minister just started reading himself.

Posted by: Naresh Jul 31 2005, 01:36 AM

http://www.satribune.com/archives/200508/P1_ghazi.htm http://www.satribune.com/archives/200508/P1_ghazi.htm Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 31 2005, 11:50 AM

The Friday Times - July 29 - August 04, 05 http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page1.shtml Al-Qaeda vs The Rest - Najam Sethi’s E d i t o r i a l

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General Pervez Musharraf is obviously stung by international allegations that Pakistan remains a breeding ground for Islamic extremists with global objectives. The latest affront follows the bombings in London and Egypt. Three of the London bombers, despite their ‘British’ nationality but because of their Pakistani origins, had clear connections with Pakistan-based ‘native’ extremists in some hard line jihadi lashkars , fundamentalist religious parties and notorious seminaries, much like Omar Sayeed Sheikh earlier. Equally, circumstantial evidence of Pakistani nationals in Egypt on or about the scene of the latest Sharm-el-Sheikh bombings cannot be shrugged away. It is also obvious that the British and Egyptian governments would dearly love to shift the blame for their own policy failures to preclude or anticipate, uncover and crush extremism among their own citizens and nationals. But the facts speak for themselves. Afghanistan was the original breeding ground for Islamic jihad in the 1980s when the ‘international community’ led by the United States, and aided by Saudi Arabia, paid Pakistan’s military establishment to conduct the war against communist USSR and its protégés in Kabul. Osama bin Ladin was then the favoured son of all the key players. He funded the destabilisation of the Benazir Bhutto government in 1989 because it was inimical to the military establishment’s strategic goals in India and Afghanistan. It was also during the time of Gen Javed Nasir as DG-ISI that Egyptian Islamists on the run from President Hosni Mobarak’s security agencies descended in droves on Peshawar and began to organise terrorist training camps in Afghanistan. The Pakistani intelligence agencies wanted to use radical Islamists to fulfil their own strategic objectives in Kabul and India while the Islamists saw this as an opportunity to establish a sovereign base area for jihad on a world scale. Egypt’s blind orator Omar Abdul Rehman of the Gama’a Islamiyya party planned the 1993 attack on the World Trade Centre in New York through Ramzi Yusuf of Pakistan while Omar Abdur Rehman’s son organised the murder of Hazara Shias in Quetta on behalf of Osama bin Laden, who in turn was supporting his son’s father-in-law, Mulla Umar of Afghanistan. It was upon Mulla Umar’s seizure of Kabul in 1997 that the dye was cast for the formation of OBL’s coveted base area of radical Islam. In due course, the Taliban, the Pakistan-sponsored Kashmir jihad and the OBL-sponsored world jihad all gelled into one great pan-Islamic jihad. In 1997, 62 people were killed by terrorists at Luxor in Egypt, after which President Mobarak moved to suppress radical Islamists in his country, with the main Islamist organisation Ikhwan al-Muslimoon publicly abjuring terrorism. The resort attack, it may be recalled, was carried out by three suicide bombers who were quickly owned by an organisation calling itself Al Qaeda, “as response to the global evil powers which are spilling the blood of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and Chechnya” In 1998, the US rained dozens of cruise missiles over training camps in Afghanistan in search of OBL but failed to get him. OBL hit back on 9/11 in New York and Washington. When the Taliban refused to hand over OBL to Washington, Afghanistan was bombed, the Taliban were sent packing and OBL disappeared into thin air. Following the American invasion of Iraq, a global Islamic resistance movement was born transcending nationality, ethnicity, class and gender, which has come to be labelled Al-Qaeda. Radical Islamic Pakistanis, Egyptians, Britons, Indonesians, Malaysians, Algerians, Arabs, Chechens, Uzbeks, Afghans, Turks, etc have all joined hands to avenge injustice against Muslim ‘nations’ and ‘peoples’ by non-Muslim nations and their Muslim allies. From the assassination of Egypt’s president, Anwar Sadat by Egyptian Islamists in 1981 to the 2002-03 assassination attempts on Pakistan’s president, General Pervez Musharraf, on the orders of Al-Qaeda, the journey of radical Islam from a national political base in Egypt to an international globalised movement is complete. That is why it is not useful for London and Washington and Cairo and Islamabad to point fingers at each another and try and pass the buck. If Arabs can bomb Washington and Britons can bomb Britain and Egyptians/Pakistanis can attack General Musharraf, it is likely that future Al-Qaeda attacks will be carried out by pan-Islamists who do not recognise national identities or national borders or national headquarters. General Musharraf is therefore right when he says “it is a misconception that Pakistan is Al Qaeda’s headquarters” He is also right when he says that the causes that sustain it like injustice and oppression have to be removed for it to be uprooted. But he is wrong when he insists that “Osama bin Laden’s network does not exist in Pakistan anymore because its command structure in Pakistan has been destroyed”. The fact is that OBL’s network exists in Pakistan and in every country that allows radical Islamic groups and political parties and jihadi lashkars and sectarians to flourish in one form or another. Al Qaeda cannot be eliminated as long as such non-state actors are allowed to breed and sustain the movement. This will become evident when retreating Islamic radicals all over the world determine to fight their final battles in their original base areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Posted by: Naresh Jul 31 2005, 03:01 PM

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/aug-2005/1/index14.php BAMAKO (AFP) – The governor of Mali’s northern Gao province on Sunday announced an immediate ban on the activities of a group of Pakistani Islamists living in the zone along the border with Algeria. Hundreds of Pakistanis have arrived in Mali as part of a humanitarian aid and education effort, though once on the ground they turn their focus to preaching hardline positions that are not in line with the Muslim practice in the region, Colonel Amadou said. “We cannot accept that just anyone can come here and preach however they see fit,” he told AFP by telephone from the remote northern outpost in the Sahara desert. “They must comply with the rules, fall in to line and seek all of the necessary authorisations” to expand their role in the region to include religious instruction. Though the group has not been formally identified as belonging to any particular sect, they preach an Islam that is “pure and hard,” according to a municipal official, and are indoctrinating their disciples into an Islam that does not oppose violence. Police have opened an investigation into their activities and have seized propaganda-filled tapes that call for violence in the name of Islam, a security source told AFP on condition of anonymity. They have already had to intervene on behalf of one family, whose son disappeared into their care for a week and had to be forcibly removed from their center. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 31 2005, 03:22 PM

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PoK tense after 'rape' by Army Pioneer - New Delhi Sectarian violence and the rape of a woman allegedly by Pakistan army officials have set off tension in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), according to international and Pakistani media reports. Three army officials allegedly of Mujahid Batallion raped a woman at a village, 62 km from Muzaffarabad, when she had gone to collect some firewood from jungles, reports BBC's Urdu service. After widespread protests from villagers, police finally registered a case against unnamed army officials, the report said. As the news of the rape spread, United Kashmir Peoples' National Party (UKPNP) joined the villagers in the protest. However, its leader Irshad Ahmed was attacked by some militants of Hizbul Mujahideen near Neelum Valley. This led to a blockade by UKPNP activists which was lifted only after the three Hizbul Mujahideen militants were arrested by the police, says a press release by UKPNP. In nearby Gilgit area, sectarian violence has been growing manifolds for the last seven months, reports Pakistan daily The Nation.

Posted by: Naresh Jul 31 2005, 05:08 PM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_1-8-2005_pg3_1 pakee.gif The Bush administration has just approved the sale of two “refurbished” F16 aircraft to Pakistan. When the deal was announced earlier in the year opinion-writers in Pakistan had noted how meaningless the promised number of aircraft was compared to what had been promised to India. Indeed, after the recent “defence pact” between the US and India, the two “cleared” aircraft for Pakistan are going to be put in the scale of Pakistan’s traditional military rivalry with India and found seriously wanting. Predictably, opinion-writers and editorialists will once again cry foul, pointing to the ‘perfidy’ of the United States and its unreliability as a ‘friend’. Already the Urdu press is discussing the “three honeymoons” of US-Pakistan relations, the last one now in progress. The question being asked is: when will America betray Pakistan again? It is a pity that after decades of alliance with the United States, the Pakistani mind has not been able to understand the nature of this relationship. Every new comment is presented as a great discovery of a ‘friend’s disloyalty’. The first honeymoon, it is said, was during the Cold War. In 1965, the “ally” let us down during our war with India; then in 1971, it let us down by not coming to our help despite “a pledge”. After a period of coolness, the next honeymoon was during the Afghan war against the Soviet Union, which America abandoned after that war ended, leaving Pakistan holding the bag. Now the Americans want us to find Osama bin Laden and fight Al Qaeda. Once the job is done, it is said, the Americans will once again forget Pakistan and move closer to their “strategic partner”, India. The advice to Islamabad is: expect nothing. In fact, there is nothing surprising about the history of US-Pakistan relations. Both sides were opportunistic and maintained the relationship on the basis of their varying self-interests. Pakistan fought a good 1965 war because of a strong air force armed with American technology. During the Afghan war it got its nuclear programme going. The Americans were angered but could do nothing. Pakistan was exercising opportunism and was working within the parameters set by Washington itself. Then, as two American administrations looked on with suspicion, Pakistan sold its bomb technology and became a player in the nuclear underworld. If Pakistan was the bride of the honeymoon, the truth is she had all the intentions in the world to bolt from the bridal bed when the time was ripe. As for the Americans, they have always maintained that there are “no permanent friends and no permanent foes in international relations”. Pakistan has more or less acted on the same principle while loudly protesting its virginity during each coupling. This, despite the fact that in the US House of Representatives, the Congressional Caucus on India has 130 members! Foreign policy “realism” should remind us that Pakistan “befriended” the mujahideen during the Afghan war, then dumped them. It did a similar sort of volte face with the Taliban, as a result of which the Pushtun vote in 2002 strengthened the religious parties. Its agencies irritated China (the most permanent friend!) by turning a blind eye to the Chinese Muslim terrorists in its jihadi camps. Now the jihadis in Kashmir complain that they have been abandoned by their erstwhile sponsors in Islamabad to face the Indian bayonets alone. As for the third honeymoon, calling it a ‘honeymoon’ affirms that Pakistan once again accepts the relationship as being based on opportunism. The only thing wrong is that even as both countries are equally in pursuit of self-interest, we vilify the Americans for seeking it. Pakistan will likely get all of its long-awaited F16s, but if it wants to look at India only through the calculus of weapons, it will hurt itself. India is bound to embark on a solid post-Cold War relationship with the United States. Its approach is pointedly more flexible (note its growing relations with Israel) than Pakistan’s, although there is no dearth of Indian opinion-writers regurgitating the “Soviet bloc” rhetoric about America’s “perfidy”. In fact, India’s real strategists have shown more variability of approach than Pakistan’s because they are conscious of the end of the bipolar system where a black and white world suited everyone gouging the superpowers. Russia, China and India appear to also lead a challenge to American ‘hegemony’ in Asia, but each pursues its separate relationship with America; and Washington knows this all too well. Equally, given the fact that the Bush Administration has brought in laws that target Muslims inside the United States and an aggressive global policy that the Muslims of the world don’t like, Pakistan’s ‘performance’ after 9/11 has been no mean achievement. President George Washington asserted in his farewell address: “Steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world”. And President Thomas Jefferson in his inaugural address proposed that “peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none”. Given this permanent inclination of the US to isolationism, Pakistan must make its ‘honeymoons’ with America yield the right sort of dividends. And this time around it should not be fulfilment of a warlike nation’s desire for an impossible victory over foes (Israel, India) but a permanent economic dividend for its poor masses. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Jul 31 2005, 06:37 PM

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when will America betray Pakistan again?
They already did.
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And this time around it should not be fulfilment of a warlike nation’s desire for an impossible victory over foes (Israel, India)
What happened to tight A** macho race and 1:10 ratio?

Posted by: Naresh Aug 1 2005, 09:10 AM

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What happened to tight A** macho race and 1:10 ratio?
Mudy Ji : Down the Flush.gif cheers.gif Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Viren Aug 1 2005, 02:46 PM

http://www.expressindia.com/cricket/fulleistory.php?content_id=51863&headline=Miandad~'hurt'~over~media's~coverage~of~wedding

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"I was hurt and disappointed with the way some sections of the Indian media printed or aired baseless stories and lies about the marriage. The campaign to politicise the marriage kept away my Indian cricket and other friends and well wishers from the ceremony," he was quoted as saying in a Pakistani newspaper.
rolleyes.gif So was the D Don present at the went in TSP? Mushy's always claimed that Dawood's not in TSP.

Posted by: Srirangan Aug 1 2005, 03:12 PM

http://www.newsinsight.net/nati2.asp?recno=3406 Srirangan: Unless original news source is missing, please don't point to secondary sources of same news. -Admin

Posted by: Shambhu Aug 1 2005, 04:17 PM

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http://www.india-defence.com/reports/132
It would be great if all this gas from Pakistan could be converted into electricity.. We would have a renewable form of energy!! specool.gif

Posted by: Mudy Aug 2 2005, 10:25 AM

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Religious groups oppose family planning policy * Call modern family planning 'un-Islamic' * Pakistan's population to reach 357 million by 2050, says UN report By Anjum Herald Gill LAHORE: Religious and jihadi organisations are against the provincial government's population planning policy, saying it is "un-Islamic". While the government is promoting family planning to control the country's population growth rate, religious parties are campaigning for larger families so that more people can join jihad. Both the government and religious parties are campaigning through different mediums. Last year the Punjab government spent Rs 25 million on advertisements on buses in Lahore, Rawalpindi and Faisalabad to raise awareness about the benefits of family planning. It also planned to campaign by sending text messages to 4 million mobile phone subscribers. Religious parties have been campaigning through rickshaws plying in the provincial capital and other cities, displaying the message Bara Khandan Jihad Asan - a slogan that has also been used in sermons by clergy. A spokesman for Jammatud Dawa, however, denied any link with the slogan. "The slogan must have been written by an individual expressing his own sentiments. However, as an organisation we don't support the family planning moves," he told Daily Times. "Family planning has nothing to do with Islam. Forcibly making people adopt it does not serve any purpose. It is not only a violation of human rights but also against our norms. The Holy Quran has all the answers to these issues. "It is a couple's prerogative to have a big or small family. Promoting the use of condoms to avoid AIDS is basically encouraging people to fornicate," he said. Hafiz Hussain Ahmed, a leader of the Jamiat-e-Ulama-Islam-Faz, said that modern family planning was against the Sharia. "According to Islam, if a woman feeds her child for two years and keeps on doing it with her children to come, family planning will automatically follow," he said. On population planning's slogan Bachay Do hi Achay, he asked, "If both children of a family die in an accident, what will happen to the parents?" "The medicines used for family planning have adverse side effects on women. If instead women act according to Islamic conjunctions, they won't need modern family planning provisions," he said. According to a UN report, Pakistan had a population of about 40 million people in 1950 but it has since more than tripled to nearly 150 million. The UN report says, "The real population explosion in Pakistan will only come over the next few decades, because the country not only has a very young population, it has an extremely high fertility rate - much higher, for instance, than Bangladesh or Thailand." "These large numbers of children and young adults will soon come into reproductive age and will produce a large number of offspring. Pakistan's population is estimated to reach 357 million by 2050," the report said. Lahore has an official population of 7.2 million people. However, some non-government organisations claim that it has exceeded 8.5 million. Punjab, with 80 million people, constitutes 56 percent of the country's population. According to the Punjab Population Welfare Department, eight children are born in the country every minute, out of which two die. Punjab Population Secretary Qazi Affaq said the government had brought the annual growth rate down to 1.96 per cent. "We will bring it down to 1.56 per cent by 2008," he said

Posted by: Mudy Aug 3 2005, 10:33 AM

http://indiareacts.com/nati2.asp?recno=3408&ctg= Scare tactics create by SD and Panch Bhuj element who are hanky panky with Pak Army.

Posted by: Naresh Aug 4 2005, 09:26 AM

OUR "SON OF A BITCH" MUSHARRAF SLEEPS WITH OSAMA BY NIGHT pakee.gif http://www.satribune.com/archives/200508/P1_tn.htm Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Viren Aug 5 2005, 07:02 AM

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/007200508051760.htm

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Dawood, mastermind behind the Mumbai blast and branded a global terrorist by the United States, reportedly did not turn up on the occasion. While both the President and the Prime Minister skipped the event, prominent among those who attended last night's reception included former cricket board chiefs Waqar Hasan and Lt. Gen. (retd) Tauqir Zia, Pakistan cricket team chief selector Wasim Bari, former Test cricketers Zaheer Abbas, Iqbal Qasim, Manzoor Illahi, Moin Khan, Tasleem Arif, Rashid Khan, Sadiq Mohammad, Saleem Yousuf, squash champion Jahangir Khan, hockey Olympians Islahuddin, Samiullah and Hanif Khan. Prominent politicians included Senators Anwar Baig, S M Zafar, Makhdoom Jamiluzzaman, while Special Secretary to Prime Minister, Dr Waqar Masood, was also spotted in the ballroom of the hotel.

Posted by: Naresh Aug 5 2005, 03:06 PM

UK BANS TERRORIST HIZB UT-TAHRIR AND MUHAJIROUN clap.gif http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/aug-2005/6/index1.php Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 5 2005, 05:37 PM

City man held on charges of terror links He is accused of trying to help armed group; Lashkar-e-Taiba Pakistan-based; Cabdriver said to have gone to training camp By Matthew Dolan Sun Staff August 5, 2005 Federal authorities accused a Baltimore cabdriver yesterday of conspiring to help the armed wing of a Pakistan-based religious organization labeled a terrorist group by the U.S. government. Mahmud Faruq Brent, also known as Mahmud Al Mutazzim, is alleged to have attended an overseas terrorist camp and taken martial arts training in trying to assist Lashkar-e-Taiba, which roughly translates to "Army of the Righteous." Arrested in Newark, N.J., yesterday afternoon, Brent, 30, was ordered held without bail in U.S. District Court in New York City, prosecutors said. Attempts to reach Brent's family or attorney were unsuccessful. About 20 FBI agents and members of Maryland's anti-terrorism task force searched his West Baltimore home. Witnesses said they carried documents and at least one computer from the three-story, multifamily house in the 5300 block of Gwynn Oak Ave. Kim Wilkens, 51, a carpenter subcontractor, was working on the home's roof when the lunchtime raid unfolded. "We was on our way down to take a break, and they was greeting us with guns. They told us to come down, and they had their guns pointing at us," he said. Kevin Perkins, the special agent in charge of the FBI's Baltimore field office, confirmed that his agency assisted with the New York-led investigation but declined to comment on specifics. "Look at the position of the Baltimore-Washington area," Perkins said. "We have major interstates, major airports, a major port. We have to assume that we're potentially a terrorist-type target." The 13-page criminal complaint alleges that Brent was involved with Lashkar-e-Taiba from 2001 until May of this year. Part of his support included attending a training camp run by Lashkar during a visit to Pakistan in 2002, agents said in court papers. Terrorism experts were divided over whether the little-known Lashkar-e-Taiba had expanded its scope to activities beyond territorial disputes with India. "They still have 200 open offices in Pakistan," said Bruce Hoffman, terrorism analyst at the think tank Rand Corp. and director of its Washington office. "They have increasingly played a role as an al-Qaida surrogate because al-Qaida is on the run, and because they're not in al-Qaida proper, they're able operate under the radar better." In addition to allegations of a visit to a terrorist camp, federal authorities allege that Brent received martial arts training in Dutchess County in upstate New York from Tarik Shah, a Bronx jazz musician who is under indictment in the Southern District of New York on similar charges. Before yesterday's arrest, Shah became a confidential informant against Brent, his former student, according to court documents. But it was another confidential informant who lured Shah into talking, the documents state. "Shah informed [the confidential informant] that he had previously discussed with other 'brothers' how 'we could pass' knowledge onto 'brothers who are ready'" to fight jihad, according to the criminal complaint filed against Brent. Investigators said they later learned that Shah had an address book containing telephone numbers for "Mahmud Al Mutazzim" and "Sayfullah." Telephone records reveal that one of the numbers listed for "Al Mutazzim" was listed to Brent's wife, Taisha Abdel-Aziz, at his Baltimore home, court papers show. The number listed for "Sayfullah" was listed to an address used by Seifullah Chapman, prosecutors said. Chapman was among 11 Muslim men charged with taking part in paramilitary training, including playing paintball in the Virginia countryside, to prepare for jihad abroad. His federal prison sentence for terrorism and firearms charges was reduced last month to 65 years. But Chapman has steadfastly declared the case against him a sham, and other Muslin groups have criticized the federal prosecutions as reflecting religious persecution. In the Brent investigation, court records say that Shah told an undercover FBI agent about his martial arts students who had gone overseas to training camps in Afghanistan and Yemen. One student he identified was Brent, whom he called "Mahmud Al Mutazzim." Shah told authorities he had trained Brent in martial arts in 2001 when they both lived in Beacon, N.Y., about 55 miles north of New York City. The training ended after the Sept. 11 attacks, when the officials at the local mosque essentially "kicked" them out, according to court papers. Shah heard that Brent went to a training camp in Pakistan in 2002, the court papers said. Brent reportedly told Shah how "difficult" it was to be back in the United States and not to be in training, court papers said. Shah believed Brent could be trusted because he was a longtime student who started "seeking the way to become mujahedeen," according to the papers. According to the criminal complaint, Shah also told the undercover agent that he intended to call Brent for help preparing a demonstration martial arts video for jihadists training as part of Lashkar. After his arrest May 28, Shah became an FBI informant and made a wiretapped phone call to Brent. Court papers said Shah and Brent later met at a Howard County hotel near Columbia. With the FBI watching and recording the meeting, Shah told Brent he wanted to "travel." But Brent said that his "connections" were "kinda gone." Brent said that he had not been in the cities in Pakistan but had been up in the "mountains" training "and stuff" with "the mujahedeen, the fighters," according to court papers. Experts say Lashkar is a wing of Markaz Dawa Wa'al Irshad, meaning "Center or Invitation [to Islam] and Instructions," which sought to organize Pakistani mujahedeen participating in the jihad against Russians who occupied Afghanistan. Lashkar-e-Taiba later turned against India and conducted military operations over the disputed territory of Kashmir. Around his Baltimore home yesterday, Brent's neighbors described him as a quiet cabdriver who wore a head scarf and whose wife did yardwork wearing conservative garments that cloaked her face. Federal agents in court papers said that Brent also worked as a paramedic in Silver Spring. J.R. Michael Rockstroh, 24, has lived next-door for the past six months. He said he saw the cab that Brent drove parked on the street but spoke with him only once. "You never know nowadays what your neighbors are up to," Rockstroh said. Another neighbor, Quinton Hill, 26, said Brent "doesn't seem like the type." Hill's housemate, Mike Taylor, 47, said he serves on the board of governors for the local Howard Park Association. The news of terrorism charges lodged against his neighbor makes Taylor worry how the community will react. "We welcomed Muslims in our community. If they brought this in, it's really going to affect our community. It's going to be a negative backlash," he said. Sun staff writers Anica Butler, Sumathi Reddy, Siobhan Gorman and news researchers Shelia Jackson and Paul McCardell contributed to this article. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/custom/attack/bal-te.md.arrest05aug05,1,6145684.story?coll=bal-home-headlines&ctrack=1&cset=true

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 5 2005, 05:58 PM

Pak frees Briton, Swedes Christopher Torchia in Islamabad | August 05, 2005 20:24 IST Pakistani authorities have deported a British author and two Swedish filmmakers who said they were detained for 16 days in harsh conditions and without consular access. Tahir Shah, a British writer of Afghan origin, and Leon Flamholc and his son David -- London-based Swedish documentary filmmakers -- said military police detained them on July 18 while they were filming on a residential street in Peshawar, near the Afghan border. They said they were working on a historical documentary about a Mogul emperor. Interior Minister Aftab Khan Sherpao said Friday that the men were repatriated after an investigation found they'd been working in Pakistan without notifying local authorities or their embassies. "They were making a film and they came on a tourist visa," Sherpao said. "We took a very lenient view of it and sent them back." British and Swedish officials said they had been unable to see the men during their detention in Peshawar. They were deported Wednesday and arrived in London the same day. In an e-mail to Associated Press Television News, David Flamholc wrote that they were held "for 16 days without any charge and without being given any information on why we were being held as they agreed that we hadn't done anything wrong." The three men were not allowed to contact their embassies or families, and were sometimes "blindfolded, held in shackles at gunpoint, as well as being moved between several unknown locations," Flamholc said. He said they were held in "small windowless concrete cells, with food passed through iron bars, stained with blood and dirt. The walls and doors were stained with blood and excrement. Hygiene was nonexistent." Flamholc said they were interrogated, with some questions focusing on "religious preferences" because the Swedish filmmakers are of Jewish descent. They were initially suspected of being spies, he said. An official at the British High Commission said his mission had requested consular access to Shah during his detention, but had not seen him. The official, who declined to be named because of case's sensitivity, said the mission did not know about any reports of physical abuse. "We tried to get information from the Foreign Ministry, but they never confirmed that they were held here," a Swedish government official said on condition of anonymity. "We knew they were held, but we didn't know how they were treated." Pakistani authorities are sensitive about foreign media coverage, particularly in areas close to Afghanistan, and have detained reporters caught traveling without permission in tribal and border regions. In December 2003, two French journalists for the magazine L'Express were arrested near the Afghan frontier and were accused by authorities of making a video of purported Taliban fighters training in Pakistani territory. They were sentenced to six months in jail for violating the terms of their visas, but were soon released and deported. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/05pak.htm

Posted by: Mudy Aug 6 2005, 11:03 AM

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page2.shtml If US-Indian relations blossom further, the US would be setting the stage for India to emerge as a major power and, eventually, as a pole for the US to contend with. India knows this and may even forego some immediate benefits for the larger prize

Posted by: Mudy Aug 6 2005, 11:12 AM

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SUCH GUP Love, actually A lady in New York who lives in a glitzy Fifth Avenue apartment in the heart of Manhattan, is claiming to be the duly wedded wife of a very, very important member of Pakistan’s civil-military establishment. Asked who the little boy playing with that big teddy bear was, she replied, “That’s the fruit of our love”. When told that the VVIP was already married and that Begum Sahiba was in Isloo by her man’s side, the toothsome Manhattanite replied, “she don’t know a thing”. Asked what led to the marriage, she cooed, “love, love, love”. For the identity of the VVIP, watch this space. Exit Control List The bizarre appearance recently of America’s leading South Asia expert Stephen Cohen’s name on our clueless Home Ministry’s Exit Control List had everybody in Washington flummoxed, till Cohen himself solved the mystery: “The Government of Pakistan wants to confer citizenship on me so that when I try to leave after accepting the honour, I should find myself on the ECL”. ohmy.gif +++++ http://www.thefridaytimes.com/nuggets.shtml Nuggets from the Urdu press APHC internal rifts Columnist Hamid Mir wrote in the Jang the that All Parties Hurriyet Conference (APHC) leaders had come to Azad Kashmir and without losing any time, had bared their differences in public. Prof Abdul Ghani Bhatt gave the opinion that a three-party dialogue on Kashmir was unrealistic, to which Yaseen Malik had to express an opposite opinion. An APHC leader Shabbir Shah had not come because his insistence on the forms that he was not Indian kept him out of the group, but another member of his outfit did concede that he was Indian like other members and was able to come. Once APHC was led by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Ali Geelani and ran as a united outfit, but after Prof Bhatt became its leader it got divided. Ali Geelani was still friendly to Umar Farooq but could not get along with Prof Bhatt and Maulvi Abbas Ansari. Umar Farooq kept quiet but his father was once the important pro-Pakistan leader killed in 1900. Umar Farooq was 20 when he founded the APHC in 1993. But in the past 6 years he was unhappy about the fact that Pakistani agencies gave more importance to Ali Geelani. Now Geelani was unhappy that Islamabad was ignoring him. Islamabad had used the Kashmiri outfits like it had used the Afghan outfits. It once favoured Hekmatyar but now he was persona non grata. As for Yaseen Malik, in 1998 Chaudhry Shujaat as interior minister had banned the book by JKLF leader Maqbool Butt, but now he had gone to Azad Kashmir to greet Yaseen Malik of the JKLF. Benazir will rule again! Quoted in Khabrain, famous astrologer Yaseen Wattoo stated that new elections would be held before April 2006 after which Benazir Bhutto will rule as prime minister while Nawaz Sharif would be the opposition leader. However, his brother Shehbaz Sharif would be the chief minister of the Punjab once again. The future of PMLQ was bleak and it will suffer its worst fate. Majlis Amal (MMA) will go into decline and Rao Sikandar will go back to the PPP. He said Imran Khan will be nowhere near power while Ijazul Haq and Manzur Wattoo will also be nowhere. There will be an Indo-Pak war before 2012 and the Kashmir dispute will never be resolved. Baloch worry about Gwadar Columnist Irshad Haqqani said in the Jang that the government had not answered the queries raised by the Baloch leaders about the Gwadar mega project. The Baloch wanted a full presentation about the project and wanted their questions answered, but such a presentation was not given to them. Akbar Bugti thought that Gwadar would be taken away from Balochistan to make it a grand export terminal for gas and oil from Central Asia. Islamabad will take away a ten-mile zone on the Balochistan coast to make the province landlocked. Baloch people of Sui were also expected to be moved out of the Sui gasfield. General Zia was best Quoted in the Jang, a son of General Zia, Anwarul Haq, said that General Zia was the best ruler of Pakistan. Zia warded off the domination of Christians (Nusrani) and Jews (Yuhud) and was the liberator of Afghanistan and Kashmir. He asked the critics to talk to the Afghans and the Kashmiris for a proper opinion about Zia. He said the Friend of Pakistan (Mohsin-e-Pakistan), Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan was patronised by Zia, which made Pakistan impregnable. He said if the state institutions had broken down, Zia was not to blame for it. According to the Khabrain, Anwarul Haq said that Zia breathed new life into the dead horse of the Muslim League. Later many politicians rode this horse to power a number of times and killed it. Quranic verses taken off from Mall Road According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, Maulana Muhammad Islam Saeedi of Majlis Ulema Nizamiya condemned the government’s measure of taking off the Quranic verses hung earlier on the trees and poles on Lahore’s central road, the Mall Road. He said it was a question for the entire Muslim community in the world. He said it was an insult to their faith. The ulema gathered at the Press Club and raised angry slogans against America. A secret pact about Nawaz Sharif Writing in the Jang, Nazeer Naji stated that in recent statements, it had finally come to light that a secret pact existed about Nawaz Sharif but it was between the Musharraf government and Saudi Arabia. According to this pact, Nawaz Sharif and family would have to stay in Saudi Arabia till 2010. Shehbaz will pay ex-wives According to Khabrain, Shehbaz Sharif had finalised his divorce from Aliya Honey, his other wife. Two divorces were sent while his father Abbaji was alive but the third was also sent after his death albeit with some delay. Daughter Khadija will stay with mother Aliya Honey and Shehbaz will pay rupees one lakh monthly to Aliya. But his first wife Nusrat said that she would prevent him from paying anything from the family inheritance to his other wives. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Naresh Aug 7 2005, 02:30 AM

PAKISTANI WOMEN GUARANTEE THAT THE F-16s WILL BE USED FOR PEACEFUL PURPOSES – EVEN VEGETABLES ARE USED FOR DUEL PURPOSES IN PAKISTAN clap.gif http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_7-8-2005_pg3_5 In one reported case in Wazirabad, a candidate Chand Butt shot dead a friend who was joking with him for getting a mooli from the EC A friend, who has an eye for the absurd, drew my attention to a news item which said that several candidates contesting for the offices of nazim and naib nazim had objected to some symbols allotted to them by the Election Commission. The most offending in this category was the banana. One irate candidate told this newspaper: “How will I tell my supporters that I have got a banana [as a symbol, he meant]?” Indeed. But the list doesn’t end with the banana. Mooli (horse radish) is another symbol that hasn’t gone down well with the candidates both for reasons of its association with flatulence as well as...yes, its shape. In at least one reported case in Wazirabad, a candidate Chand Butt shot dead a friend who was joking with him for getting a mooli from the EC. It is embarrassing enough to go through life with a name like Chand Butt. To also append a mooli to anything spelled and pronounced that way not only raises multiple possibilities of mischief, it can also be the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back. The news sent me looking for Josh Malihabadi’s autobiography, Yadon ke braat. Now Josh is not exactly famous for being mealy-mouthed. His description of the ethos of his time is not only interesting, it also shows that some veggies have traditionally been considered dual-purpose. Let me offer below a very rough reproduction of the relevant portions from Josh, beginning with how respectable women were to conduct themselves. They were kept under parda and homes were divided into two portions, mardana and zenana. Respectable women ventured out of their homes only in a palanquin. They would never speak loudly. Sometimes a heavy stone or some other weighty object was put in the palanquin so that the kahar (carriers) would not know the exact weight of the lady they were carrying. This was done, presumably, to prevent them from assessing the shape of the lady. I can hear Mr Spock say “fascinating!” Even the female servants of respectable households observed parda. Male children from outside the family could go into the zenana until they were ten or eleven, after which they were embargoed from entering that portion of the house. Ladies would hide even from women of suspect character (this is presumably a reference to women whose weight and shape needn’t be hidden from anyone. Just as well, I’d say). Respectable women would not present themselves even before their fathers, grandfathers and uncles without covering their heads. Josh doesn’t inform the reader of how they appeared before their husbands but other sources, literary and non-literary, tell us that the situation even on that front was less than satisfactory from the present writer’s perspective. Wives seem to have observed a certain protocol before their husbands and I have a sneaking suspicion that conjugal relations between spouses were about as exciting and passionate as summit meetings between two heads of state. So while it is a safe bet that respectable couples did things that begot them kids, it is somewhat difficult to assume that they also had sex. In any case, if what they did could be called sex, Hugh Hefner would still have been filling out job applications in Chicago. But Josh’s best shot at this point is the revelation that some veggies, which he alternately calls laanbi-laanbi tarkarian (elongated vegetables) and fohush sabzian (obscene vegetables), were not allowed into the zenana. This ban had been slapped with the express purpose of retaining the sanctity of the zenana. He actually gives the names of some of the offensively shaped veggies but I’d rather leave that to the imagination of the reader. Let him — did I say, him — use his imagination. These veggies, writes Josh, would enter the zenana only after they had been sliced into small pieces. Having thus deprived them of their presumed dual purpose on the basis of the apprehension that they could be put to use other than cooking, they were allowed in. If that’s the kind of F-16s we are going to get, I say down with the Americans. Josh’s description quite obviously throws up a number of interesting observations. The foremost would be evident to all except the dumb or the pious (let these two categories not be mixed up because that is not my intention). Anyway, it should be clear that the men did not think the women, in reality, were as chaste as they were presented to be or as they came across while following the mores of a patriarchal society. Why else would “elongated veggies” be disallowed from the zenana until they were appropriately cut up and thus deprived of their potential for mischief? From this account it does not seem that the men had ever cared to look at the absurdity of reducing women to a state where they were more likely to put their faith in the exciting possibilities proffered by elongated veggies rather than in the men around them. The joke then is on the men rather than the women whose passion for the forbidden fruit survived — until Josh’s time — the ravages of banishment from the Garden of Eden and, later, Noah’s deluge. But the worst aspect of this sorry description, had the men cared to think, was the ban on the veggies going in their natural state into the zenana, which shows they feared competition even from vegetables. The less said on this count the better. Meanwhile, I am told the EC has withdrawn the offending symbols. What a shame! Ejaz Haider is News Editor of The Friday Times and Contributing Editor oof Daily Times Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 7 2005, 05:07 PM

ETHIOPIA: 'QUESTIONABLE MATERIAL' LANDS PAKISTANI TERROR SUSPECTS IN JAIL Addis Ababa, 5 August (AKI) - Ethiopian border guards have arrested two Pakistani businessmen on suspicion of engaging in terrorist activities as they tried to enter the country from Kenya carrying "questionable materials", local news reports said on Friday. The men, identified as Mohammed Ibrahim and Liatat Ali, were picked up on 26 July at the southern border crossing of Moyale and were handed over to Ethiopia's federal police commission two days later, the report said. Ibrahim, 53, from Lahore, and Ali, 52, from Islamabad, both businessmen with valid travel documents, were detained for being in possession of "questionable materials", the Daily Monitor reported, quoting the federal police in Addis Ababa. Authorities have not disclosed what these materials were. The report said a federal court remanded the two men in police custody on July 29 amid further investigations. http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.194498402&par=0

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 7 2005, 05:11 PM

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Feds target B'klyn's Little Pakistan community BY ROBERT POLNER STAFF WRITER August 2, 2005 Along a stretch of Coney Island Avenue, butchered goats hang by their hooves in the rear of a grocery store, and a meaty white fish arrives from the home country every Friday for deep frying in the kitchens of South Asian restaurants. In this part of Brooklyn, lassi, a yogurt drink served salty or sweet, is at least as popular as Snapple. While in some ways, life goes on as usual in Brooklyn's Little Pakistan, in many other ways, much has changed. Probably no ethnic enclave, in a city chockablock with them, has drawn as much FBI and immigration-service investigation since 9/11. Merchants say the neighborhood is still staggering from the attention, while many residents fearfully anticipate a new wave of scrutiny by U.S. authorities in light of the recent terror attacks in London. Leaving Little Pakistan In the tense weeks after 9/11, federal agents began pounding on doors in the middle of the night and detained hundreds of Pakistanis in the Little Pakistan area. Thousands of people, gripped with fear, soon bolted.. Many of them went to other states, back to their homeland, to Canada or even Western Europe. Few have returned, by all accounts. "No business anymore -- it's dead here," said Pervaiz Saleem, who runs a South Asian grocery store on the Little Pakistan strip. "My customers, so many of them did get interrogated, were deported or just fled. People disappeared." The post-9/11 exodus abated for a while, only to resume with a vengeance in the late fall of 2002, when the federal government began requiring noncitizen males from two dozen predominantly Muslim nations plus North Korea to check in with the immigration service -- a process often described by critics as a catch-22, because for those lacking up-to-date visas, compliance with the "Special Registration" call-up proved to be at least as problematic as noncompliance. Over the next year or so, about 13,000 Muslims found illegally living in towns and cities across the United States, their visas expired, were placed in deportation proceedings when they answered the special registration directive. Among them, the largest single nationality affected by the initiative was Pakistani. Authorities said they were looking, in part, for any ties between Islamic terrorists in Pakistan and the estimated 500,000 Pakistani immigrants residing in this country. About 120,000 Pakistanis live in New York City. In the summer of 2003, a survey by the Council of Peoples Organizations, a resettlement group on Coney Island Avenue, estimated that since 9/11, 18,000 Pakistanis left the Ditmas Park section of Brooklyn, which includes "Little Pakistan," and the vicinity.. The Pakistani embassy in Washington put the figure at 15,000. More insular neighborhood Now, Little Pakistan's mosque draws fewer and fewer worshipers. The public celebration of Muhammad's birthday each April is significantly smaller than before 9/11. Small-business owners struggle to make the rent, some going under, some reinventing themselves with new and less expensive offerings. Khubaib Jilani, 57, said the Republican National Convention in Manhattan last summer brought new attention from law enforcement, further discouraging South Asian-born New Yorkers from traveling to the neighborhood to shop for ethnic foods, music and jewelry. "It's like we got a bad name after 9/11, and we're stuck with it," said Jilani, who has stopped selling electronic merchandise in favor of 99-cent fare in an effort to stay afloat. The bloody attacks against the London transport system have only refueled worries that South Asians and Arabs across New York and the United States will incur new suspicion and backlash. "Everyone's scared," Mohammad Razvi, president of the Council of Peoples Organizations said shortly after the July 7 London explosions. "Women and girls in particular, given their mode of dress -- their head scarves, for example -- tell me that they feel they would be the first to be singled out for a hate crime or a deportation-type arrest. Some are actually afraid to go outside right now." An attempt at adaptation Nonetheless, the community wants to be part of the New York mainstream, and on the Fourth of July made a strong showing of large American flags along Coney Island Avenue. "If we have to prove our patriotism, so be it -- we will," Razvi said. The FBI in New York said it has periodically met with Little Pakistan community leaders and has held forums in the neighborhood, including one recently to give people a chance to air grievances and hear about the agency's counterterrorism strategies. "We don't want to be seen as the enemy," said FBI spokesman Matthew Bertron. There are other challenges to the community's long-term survival as well. In the last year, the Russian emigre community, long concentrated in Brighton Beach, has spread outward, with a few Russian businesses replacing faltering or abandoned Pakistani-owned ones on Coney Island Avenue. "This community is not going to make a comeback anytime soon," said Kaiser Murbarak, 33, who, with his wife, owns what he described as a once-thriving and now struggling jewelry store. http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/queens/nyc-paki0802,0,5396049,print.story?coll=nyc-manheadlines-queens

Posted by: Mudy Aug 7 2005, 08:46 PM

Pakistan passport means atleast 4 hours wait on immigration counter, same treatment for Pakistan Visa.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 8 2005, 09:36 AM

French terror fears over Pakistanis A French intelligence service has warned that several hundred Pakistanis in France have terrorist links and recommended surveillance of the small Pakistani community, a newspaper said. While most Pakistanis aspire to integrate into French society, several hundred "have chosen the path of terrorism and Salafism to express their hatred of the West," the report said, according to Le Figaro newspaper. The report by the Central Directorate of General Information, known by its French initials DCRG, said that radical Pakistani activists from southern Asia or Britain have visited France more frequently in recent years. [What the hell does Pakistani activists from south asia mean, can't the dork just say Pakistani activists from Pakistan] It also said that militant groups including Lashkar-e-Tayyaba - banned by Pakistan for alleged links to a 2001 attack on India's Parliament - had set up outposts in France, according to Le Figaro. Monitoring the Pakistani community - about 35,000-40,000 people - is "essential in preventing any violent act," the report said. France's Interior Ministry did not immediately respond to a call seeking confirmation. The DCRG also warned that Britain was at risk from radicals within its Pakistani community, Le Figaro said, noting that the report was completed in late June, soon before London's July 7 attacks on three subway trains and a bus. The attacks killed 52 and the four suicide bombers - three Britons of Pakistani descent and a Jamaican. France has already been touched by violence by Islamic militants from Pakistan. On May 8, 2002, a suicide bomber struck a bus carrying French engineers outside the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 11. The French had been helping the Pakistani armed forces develop a new submarine. http://headlines.virgin.net/story/OOO/A16364121123491608A00

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 8 2005, 09:40 AM

"LONDON -- Babar Ahmad, a 31-year-old computer whiz and mechanical engineer, was hailed as a big catch by U.S. law enforcement officials when he was arrested here one year ago on charges that he ran a network of Web sites that served as a propaganda and fundraising front for Islamic extremists, including Chechen rebels, the Taliban militia and al Qaeda affiliates. Since then, Ahmad has been locked up inside British prisons as he fights extradition to the United States. But the imprisonment has done little to silence the British native of Pakistani descent. Rather, it has given him an even bigger megaphone as he continues to churn out anti-American manifestos and post them on the Web, turning him into a minor celebrity in Britain" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/07/AR2005080700890.html

Posted by: Naresh Aug 9 2005, 05:32 PM

There were discussions on the Port of Gwadar enhancing the capabilities of the PN. Seems Pakistan cannot get either cannot get sufficient funds and thereby Naval Ships-Equipment or Shaukat is trying to allay the fears of the Japanese about the Chinese Navy hindering Oil Tankers and LNG Carriers from the Persian Gulf : http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/aug2005-daily/10-08-2005/main/main1.htm Meantime Pakis back to their old tricks : http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/aug2005-daily/10-08-2005/main/main11.htm Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 9 2005, 05:51 PM

Sect offices closed in Pakistan Pakistani authorities have closed down the offices of 16 publications run by followers of the Qadiani sect in the central Punjab city of Jhang. Two printing presses were sealed and cases registered against editors and publishers for "propagation of offensive material", police said. At least two people were arrested and raids are continuing. Qadianis, also known as the Ahmadiyya, were declared non-Muslims under the constitution in 1974. The sect was founded by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam, who was born in the town of Qadian in Punjab in 1835. The Qadianis believe he was the Imam Mahdi, or the Promised Messiah. Complaint Jhang police chief, Hamid Mukhtar Gondal, told the BBC the action had been taken on orders of the Punjab home department. He said the 16 publications had already been banned but the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiya - Pakistan's largest Qadiani party - had continued to print and distribute them. Literature deemed religiously offensive and banned under Pakistani law was recovered from the offices of some of the publications. The latest action was triggered on a complaint by a local religious leader, Maulana Chinioti, who has been in the forefront of the campaign against the minority sect. Mr Gondal said he could have charged Qadiani leaders and editors under anti-terrorism laws but had decided not to do so. "For the time being, we have booked them for propagating material offensive to people of other faiths," he said. A spokesman of the Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya told the BBC that none of its publications were offensive and their closure reflected religious prejudice against the community. The Jamaat-e-Ahmadiya had never been involved in any form of violence or any hate campaign, he said. "We have in fact always been victims of prejudice," he said. Mainstream Islam believes Mohammad was the last Prophet. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4131624.stm hehe guess the ahmadiyas are getting what they deserve since they played a very active role in Pakistan creation, hopefully they will all be sent to jannat soon by their Muslim brothers in ummah.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 9 2005, 06:27 PM

Two retired soldiers shot dead in Gilgit By Ibrahim Shahid GILGIT: Two retired Pakistan Army soldiers Abdul Karim and Asghar Ali were killed on Monday around 10:am at Bargo Village, sources told Daily Times. Sources said unidentified men gunned down the former soldiers. They said the attack seemed to be sectarian in nature, adding that police were investigating the incident. Separately, three people were killed in a road incident at Misgher Village near Hunza, said sources. They said that Sher Ghazi, Sher Azam and Javeed were returning to their village from Central Hunza when their vehicle fell into a deep ditch. They died instantly. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-8-2005_pg7_9

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 10 2005, 05:28 AM

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Pakistani militant suspect had German, Italian maps on computer: official 08:26 AM EDT Aug 10 ASIF SHAHZAD LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) - An Islamic militant suspect under investigation for alleged links to al-Qaida had maps of cities in Germany and Italy saved on his computer, an intelligence official involved in his interrogation told The Associated Press Tuesday. The suspect, Pakistani national Osama bin Yousaf, who was arrested Sunday night in the eastern city of Faisalabad, has not explained to interrogators why he had the four maps stored on his laptop, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of his job. The official declined to identify the cities and said that investigators had not found evidence of plotting for attacks, but added that the suspect's mobile phone record showed more than a dozen calls made to Germany and Italy in the past week. "We are trying to determine the identities of the numbers dialled from his mobile phone," said the official. Interior Minister Aftab Khan Sherpao on Tuesday confirmed to AP that Yousaf had been arrested, but declined to give any further details about his case. The intelligence official said that Yousaf's phones had been under surveillance after his numbers were found in the phone record of Abu Farraj al-Libbi, the reputed al-Qaida operational chief in Pakistan, who was arrested in the country's northwest May 2. Al-Libbi, a Libyan, was dubbed by some officials as the al-Qaida No. 3 and handed over to the United States in June. He was accused in two bombings that narrowly missed President Gen. Pervez Musharraf in December 2003 and left 17 other people dead. The intelligence official claimed that Yousaf, 36, had long-standing ties with Islamic militant groups and served as a link between local militants and foreign al-Qaida operatives after forging links with the terror group in Afghanistan, where he had once fought with the Taliban militia. The official said that the laptop computer, between 80 and 90 compact discs, some credit cards and $1,600 US cash were seized from the home Yousaf rented in Faisalabad, near the public telephone kiosk he ran there. After his arrest at the weekend, Yousaf was initially interrogated in the main eastern city of Lahore but was transferred late Monday to a location near the capital Islamabad, the intelligence official said. http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/050809/w080936.html

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CIA asked us to let nuclear spy go, Ruud Lubbers claims 9 August 2005 AMSTERDAM — The CIA asked the Netherlands not to detain Pakistani scientist Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan for stealing nuclear secrets from a Dutch facility, former Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers has claimed. Speaking on Dutch radio programme Argos on Tuesday morning, Lubbers said the Dutch authorities held off from taking action against Khan in 1975 and 1986 because the US security agency wanted to gain more information about the scientist's activities. Khan was hailed a national hero in Pakistan in 1997 when the then prime minister Nawaz Sharif announced that the country possessed nuclear weapons. It emerged later that Khan also headed a clandestine network that sold on nuclear know-how to Libya, North Korea and Iran. Although there was mounting evidence of Khan's illicit activities by 2001, this was only made public in 2004. Born in Bhopal, Khan trained as a metallurgist in Germany. From May 1972 to December 1975 he was employed by Physics Dynamic Research Laboratory (also known as FDO), an engineering firm based in Amsterdam and a subcontractor to the URENCO consortium specialising in the manufacture of nuclear equipment. Urenco's primary enrichment facility was in Dutch city of Almelo, near the German border. Khan had an office there by late 1974, the website of globalsecurity.org says. In early 1976, Khan left the Netherlands with secret Urenco blueprints for an uranium centrifuge. He was convicted in absentia by a court in the Netherlands in 1983 for stealing the designs. The conviction was later overturned on a technicality. Lubbers was the longest serving prime minister in the Netherlands (1982 - 1994). He was appointed UN High Commissioner for Refugees in 2001 but resigned last February due to sexual harassment allegations. He told the radio station that when Minister of Economic Affairs in 1975 he discussed the Khan case with US officials. The Americans, Lubbers said, suggested blocking Khan's access to Urenco would be sufficient. As Prime Minister in the mid 1980s Lubbers again raised the issue as the CIA had been monitoring Khan for 10 years, without any obvious breakthrough in the investigation. Again the Americans did not want action taken against Khan, Lubbers said. www.expatica.com/source/s...3A+Lubbers

Posted by: Naresh Aug 10 2005, 04:33 PM

O Boy! The Lotas have upset the Danes! Flush.gif http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_11-8-2005_pg1_5 COPENHAGEN: Residents of Copenhagen have objected to a decision of the city municipal corporation to name a road in the city after Pakistan. The mayor of the Copenhagen Municipal Corporation made the [red]decision two years ago during a Pakistani fair held in front of Town Hall. At the time, Pakistani and other foreigners living in the area gladly accepted the decision, but locals were worried about what road would be renamed Pakistan. The concern has now changed into protests, as the locals of the area where a road is being named Pakistan have objected to the mayor’s decision. They said that they did not want to hear or even see the name in their area. They also said they did not want a nameplate inscribed with the word Pakistan being fixed on any road in their area. Quarrels and scuffles have been taking place between the locals and foreigners in the area every day. After the London bomb blasts, anyone wearing the shalwar kamiz pakee.gif and sporting a beard is seen with suspicion by the locals. sana Cheers cheers.gif

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Pakistan test fires nuclear cruise missile K J M Varma in Islamabad | August 11, 2005 12:21 IST Pakistan on Thursday test-fired its first ever ground-launched nuclear capable cruise missile Hatf VII Babur, which could reach targets upto 500 km. The military said that with the 'successful test, Pakistan has joined a select group of countries which have the capability to design and develop cruise missile'. The 'terrain hugging missile' has the most advanced and modern navigation and guidance system and a high degree of manoeuvrability, a defence statement said, which did not mention the time or the location of the test. The missile is believed to be a match for India's Brahmos missile, which has been developed in cooperation with Russia. Pakistan did not inform India about the test as an agreement reached between the two countries over the weekend on pre-notification of missile tests does not cover cruise missiles. "The agreement on pre-notification of ballistic missiles, which has been finalised but not yet signed in New Delhi, does not cover pre-notification of cruise missile tests," a Foreign Ministry spokesman was quoted as saying in the media. The military said the technology used in the missile enables it to avoid radar detection and penetrate un-detected through any hostile defensive systems. "All design parameters for the flight were validated," the statement said, adding that Babur Cruise Missile has the capability to carry nuclear and conventional warheads upto a range of 500 km. It also said that the missile was indigenously developed. "It is designed and developed by an elite team of scientists and engineers of Pakistan's Strategic Organisations," the statement said. Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf said the test was a 'major milestone' in the country's nuclear programme. "Our scientists and engineers have once again done the nation proud by mustering a rare technology," he said. Without naming India, he said the test would reflect the country's resolve to meet emerging challenges and geo-strategic developments in its neighbourhood. Pakistan has so far test-fired a range of small, medium and long range ballistic missiles with a range upto 1500-2000 km, but this is for the first time that it has test-fired a cruise missile. It is believed to be a match to India's Brahmos missile. However, the Pakistan missile does not have a supersonic range like Brahmos. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/11pak.htm

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Pak to review support for Japan's UNSC bid if it leaves G-4 August 11, 2005 17:05 IST In an apparent attempt to break the unity of the G-4 countries seeking permanent membership of the United Nations Security Council, Pakistan has said it would 'step back' and consider supporting Japan's bid if Tokyo disassociates itself from the grouping which includes India. "If the G-4 composition changes, we will review our position. Our relations with Japan are historic, Japan is our largest creditor, the single largest contributor to our debt," Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, who is on a visit to Japan, told the international media there. "If that framework changes, we will step back and see what to do," he said when a Japanese journalist asked if Pakistan would support Japan in its bid for a permanent seat on the UNSC if it left the G-4. He, however, hastened to add that it was a hypothetical question and the 'G-4 composition remained as it was.' Aziz's comments follow Japan's decision to provide a 440 million dollar loan to Pakistan under a revived soft-term official development assistance plan. Japan has also agreed to resume Yuan loans to Pakistan which was stopped after it conducted nuclear tests in 1998. Pakistan in recent months has been clarifying that its opposition to G-4 attempts was not India specific. Aziz recently said that Pakistan's stand must be viewed 'holistically' as the UN was a body which needed reforms and reinvention but reforms should not just relate to the UNSC alone but the entire UN family. At the meeting, Aziz also said Pakistan would not join in an arms race with India but would maintain a minimum nuclear deterrence, local daily 'Dawn' reported. He also said Pakistan's nuclear programme was aimed at maintaining strategic balance in South Asia. Asked about the role of disgraced scientist A Q Khan and his role in the North Korean nuclear programme, Aziz said the chapter stood closed. To a question whether Pakistan would play any role in denuclearising the Korean peninsula, he said Pakistan had no role in the Korean N-programme and whatever information it had gathered in association with the IAEA had been shared with Japan. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/11pak2.htm

Posted by: Naresh Aug 11 2005, 10:05 AM

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GH12Df03.html Cheers cheers.gif

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WASHINGTON, August 9: Despite tall claims of eliminating Al-Qaeda from the troubled Northern areas, Pakistan’s General Pervez Musharraf has, in practice, handed over the once hotbed of foreign militants, the South Waziristan Agency, to a former Taliban Commander, until recently a wanted terrorist by the Army. Ubaidullah Mahsood, who had a head money of several hundred thousand rupees is now running his own Government in the Agency, and in Taliban style. And to facilitate ‘Commander’ Ubaidullah Mahsood, General Musharraf has withdrawn all Pakistan Army troops from the area Under Mahsood’s control. This is another episode of the many double games being played by General Musharraf with the Western world and specially the US which is providing millions of dollars to the Pakistan Army to control and eliminate these terrorists. Instead, Musharraf is not only pocketing the money, he is allowing declared terrorists to return to power. “The Taliban militia is back in power, now inside Pakistan and is transforming the area into its fiefdom,” a tribal elder told this correspondent from Dera Ismail Khan on telephone. The elder, who wanted to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, described the situation in the agency as “atrocious” like it was in pre-September 2001 Afghanistan, under the Taliban rule. Ubaidullah Mahsood has banned, television http://www.satribune.com/archives/200508/P1_kmr.htm

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 11 2005, 06:23 PM

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“he has two faces,” as the country’s truth-teller Asma Jehangir once famously said of him. “He has a soft face for the West and a harsh one for Pakistan.” Above all, he treats Pakistan as his occupied territory and its people as his subjects, who he thinks are no better than a beast in need of “a strong hand, a full belly, and an occasional kick in the shin.” His two-facedness is nowhere evident than his phony war on terror. He is the world’s largest beneficiary of global terror and yet the frontline soldier in the war being waged against it. He washed the sins of his dictatorship with the blood of three thousand Americans who died in terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. Since then, his pariah status as a military strongman has changed into a world statesman. Is it the triumph of terror or its trounce? It is the same Musharraf who was keeping the gates of Taliban’s Afghanistan http://www.satribune.com/archives/200508/P1_tn.htm

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 12 2005, 07:18 AM

UK diplomats attacked, Pakistan scientist's kin held 12 Aug 2005 07:00:56 GMT Source: Reuters ISLAMABAD, Aug 12 (Reuters) - A son-in-law of Pakistan's disgraced nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan was being held in custody after an assault on two British diplomats in Islamabad, police said on Friday. A spokesman for the British High Commission (embassy) said the two diplomats, a man and woman, suffered a "vicious and unprovoked attack" by several men as they were walking home at night in a posh district of the Pakistani capital. The attack took place in the early hours of Sunday morning, and the two victims required medical treatment, he said. A motive for the attack had not been ascertained, he said. Police confirmed Saad Ali Khan, Khan's son-in-law, was being held. "He had some quarrel with the British diplomats," Safeer Bhatti, head of Islamabad's Kohsar police station, said. "Saad has been taken into custody," he said. Khan, popularly know as the father of Pakistan's atomic bomb, has been held under house arrest since admitting in early 2004 that he had sold nuclear secrets to Iran, Libya and North Korea. President Pervez Musharraf, who is also army chief, has described Khan's admission of guilt as the most embarrassing moment of his presidency. A former Dutch prime minister, Ruud Lubbers, stirred more controversy over Khan this week when he told Dutch radio that the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency had asked the Netherlands not to take action against the scientist, despite suspicion he was involved in industrial espionage while working for a Dutch uranium enrichment company 30 years ago. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP245791.htm

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http://www.thefridaytimes.com/main31.shtml Global terror and US dilemma : Najam Sethi’s E d i t o r i a l The former Dutch prime minister, Ruud Lubbers, says his government knew that Dr A Q Khan was “stealing” nuclear secrets in the early 1970s. But the CIA advised against indicting the scientist because “we were in the middle of the Cold War”. This brief statement explains the relationship between US foreign policy, the Cold War, democracy, dictatorship and the roots of modern Islamic extremism. Mohammad Mosaddeq is Iranian modern history’s most famous champion of secular democracy and resistance to foreign domination. In 1951 he nationalized the country’s British-controlled oil industry and provoked a confrontation with Britain. Two years later the CIA sponsored a successful coup against him. This initiated a 25 year period of absolute pro-US dictatorship by the Shah, leaving an anti-US legacy and paving the way for Ayatollah Khomeini’s Islamic revolution. Thus the modern confrontation between Iran and the US today is rooted in past US foreign policies. In 1932 the British helped Abd al Aziz ibn Saud to become absolute monarch of the Arabian peninsula. Subsequently, the Saudis clinched two self-sustaining deals for survival and longevity: an external one with the Americans – cheap oil in exchange for military and political support; and an internal one with the Wahhabis in which they could preach, practice and export radical Islam but not challenge al-Saud’s political supremacy. Thus Osama bin Laden’s exhortation to end the long and unholy alliance between the US and the Saudi monarchy. In Egypt, Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal in 1952 and provoked Britain. His pro-Soviet stance antagonized the US. After Egypt was defeated by Israel, the US protégé in the Middle East, his successor Anwar Sadaat suppressed the liberal, secular, and democratic forces, mollycoddled the Ikhwan al-Muslimin which opposed Nasserite secularism, and Islamised the institutions of the state. But the Islamists perceived Camp David as a great betrayal and assassinated Sadaat. His pro-US successor Hosni Mobarik suppressed the radical Islamists but did not democratize or secularise the state. Therein lay the seeds of the Islamic revolt engineered by Sayyid Qutb and Ayman al-Zawahiri which eventually linked up with OBL to become Al-Qaeda. In Iraq, the US befriended the secular dictator Saddam Hussain and nudged him in 1980 to wage war with Shiite Iran for eight years. But after the USSR vanished, the US decided to bomb Iraq in 1991. When Saddam survived, 9/11 provided the pretext for a full fledged invasion. This has unleashed all the sectarian demons of the region without securing and guaranteeing Iraqi oil for the US. In Pakistan, the religious parties were long nurtured by Saudi funding while the military became an American surrogate in the war against communism. In the 1980s Gen Zia ul Haq assailed the secular institutions of the state and launched the “Islamic jihad” in Afghanistan jointly with the CIA and Wahhabi Saudi Arabia. But after the USSR folded in 1989, the US lost interest in Afghanistan and Pakistan. In this era of neglect, the military’s “Islamic jihad” was retuned with the help of the religious parties and lashkars to “liberate” Kabul from local communists and Kashmir from arch-enemy India. In 1995, the Taliban were launched and Pakistan became a stepping stone to the base area of world jihad in Afghanistan. Fortunately for Pakistan, though, when 9/11 inevitably dawned, General Musharraf chose to ditch the Taliban and mollify Washington. The US handiwork is cracking in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. If America exits from Iraq without sufficiently democratizing and secularizing the country, it will enshrine a non-viable Shiite, pro-Iran state pitted against a violent Sunni minority and tempt intervention by secular Turkey, Shiite Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia. But maintaining the status quo means losing more American lives and breeding “globalised Islamic terror”. If America bombs Iran’s nuclear installations, it risks inflaming global Islamic passions. If it doesn’t, Iran will acquire nuclear weapons and “Western civilization” will have to contend with not one but two “Islamic bombs” and live with the fear of proliferation. In Saudi Arabia, if America pushes for greater democratization, the Wahhabi hardliners will seize power. But if it nudges the Al-Saud to crack down on the Wahhabis, it risks a violent terror backlash that could transform Saudi Arabia into another Iraq. The same sort of scenario exists in Egypt where the liberal secular forces have been snuffed out by Mobarik and the thought of what happens after him is deeply disturbing. Pakistan is less unfortunate. The country is awash with anti-Americanism and Al-Qaedaism. But the military and the Islamists are not yet the only political forces to reckon with and choose from. There remains a strong non-Islamic (not non-religious) democratic sentiment in the country which would trounce its military-mullah detractors in any free and fair election and turn back the tide of radical Islam. Thus, despite their dictatorships, Egypt’s embedded political weakness is Pakistan’s lingering political strength. But for how long can these political forces escape emasculation at the hands of a military armed with nuclear weapons, imbued with Islamic nationalism, wedded to regional ambitions and propped up by the US?

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GUPSHUP Home away from home Sir V S Naipaul, for some years married to our very own Nadira, has decided to put down roots in Pakistan. Our mole says that the Nobel Prize winning author has bought himself a large piece of farmland in Bedian on the outskirts of Lahore. Here he is building a beautiful house and once the residence is ready, he will divide his time between his cottage in Wiltshire, England and his house inBedian. We hear Sir Vidya’s adopted daughter and acclaimed model Malyha Naipaul is overseeing the designing and building of the house in Lahore. Sir Vidya’s move is a welcome change from his judgement of Pakistan as a “criminal enterprise” in his book “Among The Believers”. The Libyan connection There’s been a lot of confusion in Pakistan about the recently deported Maulana’s Libyan connection. Lest we forget, the portly one gave Big Ben quite a run for her money at the beginning of her second tenure in 1993. Reliable sources report that Big Ben rang up her “Uncle G” in Tripoli, friend of her late father ZAB, and complained about the portly one. Uncle G apparently sent his emissary in a special plane which landed at Isloo airport and summoned the Maulana. Uncle G’s rep did not bother to get out of the plane. The Maulana boarded the aircraft while it was parked on the tarmac and Uncle G’s rep had “words” with the portly one. Thereafter, there was not a peep out of the Maulana and he promptly went over to Big Ben’s camp.

Posted by: Mudy Aug 12 2005, 10:13 AM

Nuggets from the Urdu press http://www.thefridaytimes.com/nuggets.shtml Noor Jehan’s granddaughter will kiss According to Khabrain, actress Sonia Jehan stated in London that she would kiss and embrace (bos-o-kinar) in films but would not bare herself. Sonia acted in Taj Mahal, an Indian film. While in London, she met a Hindu boy and fell in love with him and married him. She is the granddaughter of Pakistan’s great singer and actress, Noor Jehan. Last Mughal dies in Karachi According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, the great grandson of the last Mughal king of Delhi, Bahadur Shah Zafar, died in Karachi. His name was Niralay Alam Ustad Mehboob, whose personality was so popular that great detective novelist Ibn Safi used him in his plots. He was known to most poets and was a well known figure in literary gatherings. He had asked the Indian government to hand over the Lal Qila and other Mughal palaces to him as he was the only legitimate heir to the late Mughal king Musharraf’s star is up! The daily Khabrain published the prediction of astrologer Dr Farooqi, saying that Musharraf’s star Jupiter was in the ascendant and he was going to become the most popular leader in the future. ohmy.gif Something startling would happen after 22 July 2005 to make his position stronger. After August 2005, Pakistan would test more nuclear weapons. The stars were kind to Ghulam Mustafa Khar who would soon get Ms Bhutto’s full support in the PPP. [Islam and astrology nah nah] 9/11 denied on Australian TV According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, leader of Ahle Sunnat Muslims in Australia Sheikh Muhammad Imran told the Australians on Australian TV that Osama bin Laden had not done the 9/11 bombings, nor had the Muslims done the 7/7 bombings. Osama he said was an exemplary (azeem) Muslim and there was no proof against him for doing terrorism. biggrin.gif ‘Jemima goes love-crazy’ According to Khabrain, Jemima Khan and actor Hugh Grant got so heated up (itnay andhay ho gayay) that they forgot to draw down the curtains while making love during a tryst in the UK. The housemaid entered the bedroom and saw them both in a bad situation and called her own husband to witness the act.

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http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page6a.shtml Moscow-Beijing axis preparing to challenge America : Farrukh Saleem The geopolitics of Central Asia seems to be changing For the first time ever, General Yury Baluyesky, Russia’s Chief of General Staff, and General Liang Guanglie, China’s topmost soldier, have decided to hold joint military exercises. On August 18, the unprecedented joint war-games begin near Russia’s port city of Vladivostok, moving to the Yellow Sea with the final joint display of forces on August 25 near the coastal Chinese province of Shandong. Generals Baluyesky and Guanglie are dispatching 10,000 troops along with Russia’s IL-76 heavy transport cargo planes with paratroopers (IL-76 has the maximum take-off weight of 210 tones, payload of 52 tons over ranges of up to 4,000 km). General Baluyesky will also be bringing in Russia’s Tu 95MS intercontinental bombers the “launch platform for the long-range air-launched cruise missile.” In addition to Tu 95MS, Russia’s Su-27SM fighter jets, with television guided missiles, would also be taking part in the joint war-games. Officially dubbed ‘Peace Mission 2005’ actually involves navy, army, air force, marine, airborne and logistics units. The official goal of the joint war-games is to “deepen Sino-Russian mutual trust, promote mutual friendship and enhance the cooperation and coordination of the two armed forces.” In essence, ‘Peace Mission 2005’ is a message to America that Russia and China intend to challenge America’s monopoly over world affairs. To be certain, ‘Peace Mission 2005’ was not the first or the only message that the Russia-China axis sent out. On July 1, Vladimir Putin and Hu Jintao met and agreed to solve all their outstanding border disputes. On July 2, there was a bilateral declaration on “World Order in the 21st Century” in which America was not named but the message was sent out that no world power ought to be pursuing the “right to monopolize or dominate world affairs, and should not divide countries into a leading camp and a subordinate camp…” On July 5, Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and the Kyrgyz Republic met under the auspices of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) demanding from the United States a definite withdrawal timetable from Afghanistan. On July 29, Uzbekistan, as an SCO-member state, gave the United States 180 days to withdraw her forces from Uzbekistan’s Khanabad Air Base. Another official stated goal of ‘Peace Mission 2005’ is to “help strengthen the capability of the two armed forces in jointly striking international terrorism, extremism and separatism.” America knows better; ‘Peace Mission 2005’ did not need intercontinental bombers, fighter jets and submarines for anti-terrorist exercises.

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Chechens, others, new terror trainers in PoK 10 August 2005: Failed or reduced terrorist infiltrations this summer in Jammu and Kashmir are partly on account of a shortage of instructors in mushrooming militant training camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, but Islamic extremists from Uzbekistan, Chechnya, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Kazakhstan are increasingly filling these posts. These new instructors, fleeing Russian- and US-inspired crackdowns in the Central Asian states, and finding Europe barred after the London bombings, are bribing their way into Afghanistan and Pakistan, and while they initially settled in NWFP and Baluchistan, now they are setting up homes in PoK, where the climate is suitable. Some months ago, the PoK governor, General (retired) Mohammed Aziz, had called upon former army officers to set up Islamic NGOs for human development, a euphemism to assist in the terrorist cause in J and K, and the Central Asian extremists, entering Pakistan in groups of twenty, ex-military and experts in handling weapons, were drafted as instructors, after the Pakistan army moved out of that role, and the ISI was directed to lie low. To escape questioning at the borders, these extremists have been posing as Islamic pilgrims visiting holy sites in Pakistan, and some of them have traveled with their families, and one group arrested in South Eastern Afghanistan was freed by Taliban sympathisers, while Pakistan also initially took some of them in custody for extremism. http://www.indiareacts.com/nati2.asp?recno=3421

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Musharraf to leave by 2007 11 August 2005: General Parvez Musharraf has committed to German foreign minister Joschka Fischer and former US and European ambassadors to Pakistan that he will quit the post of army chief after 2007 and try to be an elected president, but he wants no disturbance in the present arrangement till that time. With this commitment, diplomats said that Musharraf’s stature has grown with Western governments, who felt he was not doing enough to contain Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism, especially after the London bombings, but there is also a section which doubts his intention of following through his word. But for the moment, the opposition represented in the main by the two exiled prime ministers, Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharief, feel out of wind, since Musharraf has accepted in principle their major demand to step down as army chief. Diplomats said that Musharraf feels disillusioned at not being able to do enough on the development front, despite his extensive tours of the country, and while he earlier criticised elected governments for their corruption, he finds military administration is no better, and may be worse. http://www.indiareacts.com/nati2.asp?recno=3424

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he will quit the post of army chief after 2007 and try to be an elected president
He will create some problem within country and will stay in his Khaki forever, unless and until ..........

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 12 2005, 07:17 PM

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Missile test not to affect peace process: Pak Minister August 12, 2005 15:46 IST Pakistan has said the test-firing of a cruise missile by it would not affect the peace process with India. "The test-firing of cruise missile by Pakistan should not be a concern for India as the peace process between the 2 countries would move ahead," Minister for Information and Broadcasting Sheikh Rashid Ahmed told reporters on Thursday. He said Pakistan wanted to resolve all issues with India peacefully but it could not remain oblivious to its defence needs. The missile test met all the set parameters, he said, adding the achievement would strengthen the country's defence and infuse a new spirit in the nation, official news agency APP quoted him as saying. Pakistan had on Thursday test-fired cruise missile Hatf VII Babur. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/12minister.htm

Posted by: Mudy Aug 12 2005, 10:15 PM

Sure it will not effect peace process. ManMohan Singh will say sorry to Mushy and will invite Pak Army for Pokara in his Race Course Bungalow.

Posted by: Mudy Aug 13 2005, 08:32 AM

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"I see the sincerity of the Indian leadership. But if we can move faster towards a resolution of Kashmir, my hands will be stronger to deal with extremism," Musharraf said in an interview to the 'Daily Telegraph' published on Saturday. "I have told the Indians we can only control extremists to a degree. But there will be nowhere for the extremists to go once there is a settlement on Kashmir," he said.
Whynot, Junagarh, Hyderabad or Delhi or Mughal Sultanat

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ISLAMABAD: The indigenously developed first cruise missile of Pakistan Hataf-VII Babur will be in serial production by next month and the batteries of the same would be handed over to the armed forces accordingly. This was disclosed in an exclusive interview with The News by Dr Samar Mubarakmand, chairman National Engineering and Scientific Commission of Pakistan (Nescom) on Thursday evening. Responding to a question, Dr Mubarakmand said that a new test range had been developed for the new series of missile testing in Balochistan. The Babur Hataf-VII was test-fired from this range. The missile landed at the target in the same province with the accuracy of centimetres. Pakistan is the fourth country after the United States, Russia and China that has the technology of this precision. http://jang.com.pk/thenews/aug2005-daily/12-08-2005/main/main5.htm

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Pakistan negotiating for 75 F-16s August 13, 2005 17:27 IST Pakistan, which is expected to get the first delivery of two F-16 fighters by the year-end, has said that it was negotiating with the United States for 75 more aircraft. "Pakistan should be getting two F-16s by December and a number of stages have passed ever since Washington approved the sale of F-16s to Pakistan early this year, and things have moved smoothly on this front," Pakistan's Ambassador to the US Jehangir Karamat said. Right now the exact configuration, cost and numbers are being negotiated between the two countries. "We are looking at something like 75 F-16s," he told Pakistan's official news agency APP. Pakistan has around 32 F-16s made in the 1980s, which continue to be its mainstay and hopes to refurbish its fleet with a combination of new and serviced F-16s. The package of 75 F-16s was expected to cost around three billion dollars. Commenting on the recent US-India defence agreement, Karamat, a former army chief, said Pakistan was carefully analysing it and "Islamabad has its own relationship with the US, which is independent of the relationship the US has with India." About US-India civil nuclear cooperation, he said the deal has to pass through certain stages like approval by the US Congress followed by enactment of legislation. "Those things are going to take time and we will see how it goes." Pakistan does not want any upset in the balance of power between the two states, "as then, Pakistan has to inevitably take steps to redress that (an imbalance). "I think, this is an accord, which sort of, sets the criteria which a state has to meet to be eligible for such a cooperation with the US," Karamat said. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/13planes.htm

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Missile test prompted by India's moves: Pak August 13, 2005 18:30 IST Pakistan on Saturday said it test fired a cruise missile due to apprehensions that India 'planned' to acquire certain weapon systems from Israel and other countries that could tilt the balance of power in its favour. "Successful test of Hatf-7 Babur is a major boost to the country's deterrence. It is a quantum jump in Pakistan's defence capability," Pakistan's Defence spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan said. He claimed India plans to acquire Israeli-made Aero system and US made Pat-2, Pat-3 Patriot Defence missiles. "These perceptions were to some extent true, prompting Pakistan to work hard to make the new missile," he added. Pakistan would, however, continue to pursue the policy of ensuring minimum deterrence without entering into an arms race with India, in the region, he told state-run PTV. "Minimum deterrence is the cornerstone and important ingredient of the strategy of our national security, and as long as deterrence is there the balance of power will exist and no one would be able even to think of aggression against the country," he said. "It is imperative to establish a balance of power in the region to maintain peace. Otherwise the weaker party would always remain under threat by the powerful one," he added. Sultan said Pakistan did not inform India about the tests as both countries are not obliged to inform each other before a cruise missile test. He said Pakistan has no bad intentions against any country. "We are in favour of maximum Confidence Building Measures with India because it is better for peace in the region." On the characteristics of the missile, he said, " The exclusive characteristic of this missile is that the Babur missile can fly at a very low height and is designed to elude any kind of radar system". He claimed the missile has the ability to penetrate anti-ballistic systems such as Aero, Patriot and others. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/13pak.htm

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 13 2005, 05:11 PM

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Opp parties welcome to quit Parliament: Musharraf August 13, 2005 19:21 IST Refusing to be cowed down by the Opposition's threat to quit Parliament over the alleged flouting of rules by government ahead of local bodies polls, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf has said that he had no intention to dissolve the national Parliament. "As far as the opposition's threats are concerned, whoever wants to leave Parliament he or she is most welcome to do so. We will not be cowed down by their threats of resignation," he was quoted as telling a private TV channel. "I know I can use Article 58 2(b) to dissolve Parliament but I won't do it," he said, claiming that he had introduced a strong democracy in the country along with political reforms. His comments were in response to a resolution passed by an all party conference organised by Alliance for Restoration of Democracy, in which opposition parties, while alleging "pre-poll rigging" by his government, threatened to resign enmasse from the national assembly to register their protests. Musharraf also refuted allegations that Pakistan was responsible for terrorist attacks in different countries. "It is very disheartening when people blame Pakistan for terrorist activities in any part of the world. We have broken the backbone of Al Qaeda's network but still people blame us," he said. Referring to the London bombings, he said, "it is true that the three were of Pakistani origin, and at least two had travelled to Pakistan on a number of occasions. But all four were brought up, educated and presumably radicalized in the United Kingdom. If the events of the last few years teach us anything about terrorism, it is that extremist terrorism, such as occurred last month, has nothing to do with an individual nation's identity." http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/13mush.htm

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 14 2005, 10:27 AM

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Rocket attacks, bomb blasts rock Pak province Islamabad, Aug 14. (PTI): Rocket attacks and bomb blasts rocked parts of Pakistan's troubled southwestern Baluchistan province as the country marked its 59th Independence Day today, but there were no casualties. Some ten rockets were fired by unidentified assailants near a paramilitary post in Kohlu, 180 kilometres east of Quetta, capital of Baluchistan, reports reaching here said. Frontier Constabulary Paramilitary soldiers returned mortar fire and the assailants fled, reports said. A rocket also exploded in a field in Shakai Valley, where more than 1,000 people had gathered to mark Independence Day. No one claimed responsibility for the attack which came about 30 minutes before Lt Gen Safdar Hussain, Commander of troops hunting down militants in South Waziristan arrived at the ceremony. A rocket was fired on a school in Mand area, in district Turbat, 700 kilometres from Quetta, partly damaging one of its walls and smashing some window glasses, principal of the school Rahima Jalal said. The school is run by Federal Minister for Special Education Begum Zubaida Jalal. The minister's home is located near the school and she was at her home when the rocket was fired. Rahima Jalal said a post of paramilitary force is located close to the school, and that might be the target. A bomb exploded in a government-run school two hours before a function there to celebrate Pakistan's Independence Day. Another homemade bomb exploded near the office of Municipal Committee in the morning an hour before national day function. There were no casualties. http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/001200508141842.htm

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 14 2005, 01:09 PM

Pakistan Test-Fires Cruise Missile, Igniting Fears Of New Arms Race By Robert Parsons, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty

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Rahul Bedi, an Indian, a defense expert at "Jane's Defense Weekly" who is based in the Indian capital, Delhi,... concedes that Pakistan may have a point. "Pakistan does have justification on its side because India is on a procurement drive," Bedi said. "It is buying sophisticated weaponry from all over the world -- from Israel, from the United States, from France, from European countries. So India is really building up a huge arsenal over the last two to three years. So, yes, there is cause for alarm in Pakistan. And, in a sense, if you really look at it objectively, there is some truth in what Pakistan is saying." Duncan Lennox, an expert on South Asia working for "Jane's Strategic Weapons Yearbook," says the cruise missile test reflects growing Pakistani concern that India's missile-defense system is becoming too sophisticated. http://www.truthnews.net/month/2005080017.htm

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 14 2005, 01:33 PM

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Pak vows to improve nuclear, missile capabilities http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/14pak.htm

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 15 2005, 06:10 AM

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"Pakistanophobia" Spiraling in France By Hadi Yahmid, IOL Correspondent PARIS, August 14, 2005 (IslamOnline.net) – The July 7 London attacks perpetrated by four British Muslims, including three of Pakistani origin, are having domino effects on the Pakistani minority in France, sparking an unprecedented Pakistanophobia. "This close media and security scrutiny is really playing on the nerves of the Pakistanis in France ," Abdel Rahman Quraishi, the chairman of the Federation of Pakistani Organizations in France , told IslamOnline.net. Minority leaders complain that since the terrorist bombings the French people have started looking down on Pakistanis, who expressed deep concern about stereotyping an entire race for the work of a handful. "A right-wing newspaper, for instance, launched a ferocious campaign against Pakistanis in France and placed them in one basket, calling them a ‘cause for concern.’" Quraishi, who is also the imam of the main Pakistani mosque in Saint Denis, northern Paris , said the federation is planning to take legal action against the newspaper. "A delegation representing the Pakistani minority went to the British embassy in Paris immediately after the attacks and offered heartfelt condolences," he recalled. Four young British Muslims attacked three London underground trains and a bus on July 7, killing 52 people. Police have found that the bombers acted on their own and had no link to Al-Qaeda. Under the Microscope IOL’s correspondent says Pakistanis feel that their private lives are increasingly vulnerable. Quraishi’s mosque has come to the fore since the attacks and its visitors feel that they are put under the microscope. There are three Pakistani mosques in France concentrating in the capital Paris and its suburbs. There are some 60,000 Pakistanis living in France, the third biggest Pakistani community abroad after Britain and the United States . Authorities have so far deported a Pakistani for "illegal residency" and detained another at a Paris airport for "holding forged passports". Many Pakistanis have cancelled traditional summer visits to their motherland in fear of being harassed at airport. "It is really provocative to feel targeted, but we will take this into our strides," Mazar, a 43-year-old shopkeeper, told IOL. "I’m sure that we are being discriminated against for no reason than being Muslims." Shabnam Sohil, a French activist of Pakistani origin, said Pakistanis in France should refuse to be provoked and lead normal lives. "We, as French citizens, shouldn’t forgo our rights and stand up firmly to any sort of discrimination or harassment," she told IOL. Sohil, however, believes that the current mood is short-lived because the Pakistani minority has been credited as law-binding. French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy told Le Parisian newspaper in July he was planning to put forward new anti-terror measures authorizing eavesdropping on phone calls and archiving them for one year. He said that those coming into France from or leaving to Syria , Afghanistan and Pakistan would be placed under close scrutiny. http://www.islamonline.org/English/News/2005-08/14/article05.shtml

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 15 2005, 07:17 AM

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Musharraf Again Fakes Terror Arrests For Political Leveridge Asia Times KARACHI - Just like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat, Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf's intelligence forces have contrived a feat of equal illusion with the arrest of a number of foreign students alleged to have terror links. Among those detained is 27-year-old Indonesian Gun Gun Rusman Gunawan, said to be a younger brother of Hambali, the operational chief of Southeast Asia's Jemmah Islamiyah (JI) terror organization, who himself was arrested in Thailand in the middle of last month. As a partner in the US's global "war on terrorism", Musharraf is under constant pressure to crack down firstly on support of cross-border militancy into Indian-occupied Kashmir, and secondly to round up people with terrorist links seeking refuge within Pakistan. In both cases, his record is open to criticism, although, with some regularity, whenever the general travels abroad, and especially to the US, there is a spurt of activity on the home front. Musharraf is currently in New York for the annual session of the UN General Assembly, which he is due to address, and he has had a number of high-profile interviews and meetings in which he has touted his government's record in the fight against terrorism. The weekend's announcement, therefore, by the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) in Islamabad of the arrest in Karachi of 13 Malaysian, two Indonesian and two Myanmese students on suspicion of links with the JI could not have come at a better time for Musharraf. The students were mostly from two large institutions of Salafi origins in Karachi - Jamia Abu Bakar Islamic University situated in the Gulshan-e-Iqbal area, and Jamia tut Darasatul Islamyia, in University Road. The arrests were made on Saturday, and unlike in the past, news was soon leaked to the national and international press. But all was not what it appeared. It transpires that Gun Gun Rusman Gunawan had in fact been arrested much earlier, some sources told Asia Times Online on September 1, and he had been studying at Jamia Abu Bakar since 1999. He was named along with the batch arrested at the weekend, though. In all cases the method was the same, with the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) using the cover of the FIA, claiming that the students were wanted by their governments. As far as can be ascertained, the students' immigration and study clearance papers (from both Pakistani and home country officials) were in order. The Indonesian government, despite the Pakistani claims, quickly lodged an official protest with Islamabad over the arrests, and denied that it had requested that the students be apprehended. Speaking to this correspondent, the director of Jamia tut Darasatul Islamyia, Abdul Rehman Abid, gave his eye witness account. "Last Saturday, several dozen policemen laid siege of the campus. Different persons in civvies [civilian clothes] entered the campus and refused any movement to the students. They asked the Jamia administration to produce a list of students. We provided them with a computer-generated copy. "They marked a few names - all were Malaysian students - and all were teenaged. We produced them. The students thought that it was just a question and answer session, but the officials asked for their arrest. They said that the students were wanted in their countries of origin and would be extradited. The students had tears in their eyes, and we saw them go off with an utter feeling of helplessness. "You please tell me, if they were criminals, why did these agencies not follow the routine course under which Interpol warrants would have been produced. If they were involved in any crime in Pakistan, why was a case not lodged against them. How can anybody be picked up without any evidence or reason and taken to an unknown destination? We contacted their embassies and they denied that they had made any extradition requests. "We never went to the press to disclose the news, the intelligence agencies personally informed the press corps about this development. Generally, they avoid [disclosure]. You know and I know that this is just to make Musharraf's visit [to the US] to look colorful, and it happens every time. We Pakistanis always expect these type of events before the arrival of any US dignitary, September 11 anniversary or the departure of a Pakistani celebrity to the US," Abdul Rehman Abid went on to say. He said that since September 11, 2001, the Salafi schools had become a target for the intelligence agencies. The Salafi schools are ideologically close to Saudi Arabia and its Wahhabism, and therefore there is an interaction with Arabs. According to the director, intelligence sleuths visit the campus several times in a month and harass the administration, at times even soliciting bribes. It is worth noting that such Salafi schools have no connections with the Taliban, who are followers of the Hanafi school of thought, which is at odds with the Salafis. Islamic schools such as Darululoom Haqqania of Akora Khattak, Binori Town Karachi, Jamia Farooqia and dozens others all over Quetta and North-West Frontier Province on the border with Afghanistan nurture the Taliban. Yet there has not been one single operation against these seminaries. And despite harassment, the weekend's arrests were also the first to be made at a Salafi school. Like the rabbits conjured out of a hat, there is a sense of wonderment at these latest arrests. But one can only speculate as to the overall effectiveness of the whole exercise in the broader context of the "war on terror". http://www.prisonplanet.com/230903fakearrests.html

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 15 2005, 01:49 PM

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Did Pak Babur come via China? Pakistan test-fired its first 500-km cruise missile Babur last week. Though Delhi ostensibly was unperturbed, it was convinced that the Pakistani missile is Chinese-born. Last month, when PM Manmohan Singh went to the US, the Americans informed India that they were concerned about any sharing of top-end military technology with Pakistan as the chances of it being passed on to China were very high. The Americans said they had evidence that Pakistanis passed on an unexploded Tomahawk cruise missile—it mistakenly landed up in North-West Frontier Areas during the attack on terrorist camps in Afghanistan in 1998—to China. The upshot: Pakistan will not get the top-end F-16 fighters, unlike India. http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=76308

Posted by: Mudy Aug 15 2005, 02:01 PM

Babur came from Mongolia or Turkey? These pakis are suffering from Stockholm syndrome, they are still in love with there own ancestor’s abusers.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 15 2005, 02:09 PM

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Pak has to 'totally dismantle' terror infrastructure: PM August 15, 2005 10:10 IST Asserting that the government's response will be 'hard' if violence continued in Jammu and Kashmir, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday made it clear that 'half-hearted' efforts by Pakistan to check terrorist activities will not suffice and it has to 'totally dismantle' the terror infrastructure. At the same time, he expressed the government's readiness to talk to 'everyone' to resolve the problems confronting Jammu and Kashmir. In his second Independence Day address to the nation, he said: "There is no issue that cannot be resolved through a process of discussion and dialogue. Our doors are always open and will continue to be open for anyone interested in dialogue. "I invite everyone to join us to discuss the problems of the state of Jammu and Kashmir so that its people can lead a life of peace and dignity," he stressed. The prime minister warned that as long as terrorists continued their attacks, the armed forces would be alert and give them a fitting response. "If violence continues, then our response will be hard," Singh said from behind a bullet-proof glass shield from the ramparts of the heavily guarded Red Fort in New Delhi. Observing that Pakistan had put some checks on the activities of terrorists from its soil, he, however, said "it is not not possible to achieve success through half-hearted efforts." He said the National Rural employment Guarantee Bill would now be tabled in Parliament. Recalling that former Prime Minister Indira Gandhi had given the call to banish poverty with her 'garibi hatao' slogan, he said "today, we commit ourselves to eradicating poverty by creating jobs, Rozgar badhao". On the economic front, he said the country was witnessing an 'unprecedented' economic growth. He expressed confidence that the economic growth rate this year would be 7 per cent, the same as last year. "I am confident that if we maintain this momentum of growth for the next 5 to 10 years, then it would be possible for us to eradicate poverty, ignorance, hunger and disease from our country. This is no longer a dream but is now a possibility," he said. Unveiling a series of initiatives for rural India, Dr Singh said 'Krishi Vigyan Kendras' will be created in every village by 2007 and National Rainfed Area Authority will be set up. On funding for 'Bharat Nirman' programmes, which will include irrigation of one crore hectares of unirrigated land, he said budgetary focus will be on outcomes and not outlays alone. "I am confident that Bharat Nirman will ensure the rapid economic development of our rural areas". The prime minister appealed to all political parties to address water issues from a national and holistic perpective and reiterated commitment to preserve environment and wildlife. He also stressed the need for revamping of Khadi and Village Industries Commission to create jobs. Outlining a number of social welfare initiatives, the prime minister said pension for freedom fighters was being enhanced. He announced a Prime Minister's Scholarship Scheme for children of ex-servicemen and security personnel under which 5,000 children would benefit for their college education every year. Focussing on education at all levels, he spoke of a new wave of development for old universities in Mumbai, Kolkata and Chennai. Dr Singh announced a new 15-point programme for welfare and empowerment of minorities as well as empowerment of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes through investment in education, assurance of employment and tribal rights. On the issue of infrastructure development, the prime minister spoke of development of the six-laning of Golden Quadrilateral and the high speed rail freight corridor connecting Mumbai-Delhi-Kolkata with Japanese aid. He announced establishment of an Urban Renewal Fund with special focus on revitalisation of Mumbai and development of non-metro urban centres. Dr Singh also announced his government's intention to build world class airports and giving a new thrust to civil nuclear energy development. Outlining a spate of governance issues, he said a national campaign for cleanliness of villages, towns and cities would be launched and a national movement started against wastage of water. He said the Armed Forces Special Powers Act, which is in operation in Manipur and some other North-Eastern states, would be made more humane to ensure protection to human rights. Reaffirming his government's commitment to fight terrorism, Dr Singh said Pakistan must dismantle the entire infrastructure of terrorism while noting that the success of Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus link showed the way forward in Jammu and Kashmir. He observed that there was a need for holistic response to extremism while maintaining that development and security were interlinked. Assuring a life of dignity and self-respect for all people, he said India firmly believed in making south Asia a region of peace and prosperity. "Well-being and welfare of neighbours is in India's interest," Dr Singh said, greeting people of Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Mynamar, Bhutan, Bangladesh, the Maldives, Mauritius and Nepal. He also mentioned his successful meetings last year with leaders of the US, Russia, European Union, Japan, China and several other friendly countries to improve bilateral relations. On arrival at the Red Fort, the prime minister was received by Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee and later accorded a guard of honour by personnel of the three services. Earlier, he visited the Raj Ghat, Veer Bhumi, Shakti Sthal, Shanti Van and Vijay Ghat and paid floral tributes at the samadhis of Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi. Among those who were present at the function were United Progressive Alliance chairperson Sonia Gandhi, former prime ministers V P Singh, I K Gujral and H D Deve Gowda, Lok Sabha Speaker Somnath Chatterjee, several cabinet ministers and Lt. Governor of Delhi B L Joshi. Dr Singh said the government would ensure that outlays of expenditure were visible to citizens as outcomes of progress. "There comes a time in the history of a nation when it can be said that the time has come to make history. We are today at the threshold of such an era. The world wants us to do well and take rightful place on the world stage. There are no external constraints on our development. If there are any hurdles, they are internal," he said. Emphasising the need to seize this moment, he said "we need to have the resolve to make our country prosperous. We must have the self confidence to realise that we are second to none, that Indians are as good as the best." Asking the political system and leadership to show sagacity, wisdom and foresight, he said this would help make India a truly great nation. "Let us come together, as one nation, strengthened by our plurality, to work shoulder to shoulder and build a new India. An India where there are no barriers between the government and the people. An India where each and every Indian can stand proudly and proclaim that he is an Indian. Let us work together to build such a nation". http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/15pm.htm

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 16 2005, 06:18 AM

Pakistan 'hate' paper crackdown

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Three papers have been banned for publishing "hate material" in the Pakistani province of Sindh. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4155474.stm

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August 16, 2005 Arrest Made in Possible Terror Plot FBI probe uncovers a list of potential Southland targets and suggests a connection between prison groups and Islamic extremists. By Greg Krikorian, Times Staff Writer A Pakistani national has been arrested by authorities in connection with a far-reaching investigation of a possible terrorist plot targeting any of nearly two dozen locations in Southern California, including National Guard recruitment centers, law enforcement sources said Monday. The suspect, identified as Hamad Riaz Samana, 21, of Los Angeles, was quietly taken into custody last week by counter-terrorism officials as part of a probe that began with the arrest of two men in Torrance suspected of robbing gas stations. The investigation, sources said, has involved more than 100 FBI agents and Los Angeles police detectives as well as counter-terrorism specialists with other federal and local agencies.The case has opened a new and troubling front for counter-terrorism officials because of a possible connection to a radical form of Islam practiced by a group called Jamiyyat Ul Islam Is Saheeh, an official said. The group's name translates as The Assembly of Authentic Islam. While little is known publicly about the JIS, as intelligence officials call it, the group has been around for several years and has a presence at Folsom State Prison, where one of the three men in custody, Levar Haney Washington, 25, served time for assault and robbery, according to law enforcement sources. The JIS is only one of the prison-based groups being investigated for possible ties to Islamic extremists. The prospect that prisons in the U.S. may prove a breeding ground for homegrown terrorists has been a central focus of the closely-guarded investigation by the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force. Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said Monday, without providing any details, that the public disclosures about the JIS underscored concerns that inmates and ex-cons might be recruited for terrorism in the U.S. "The conversation about prisons has been going on for a long time. That is not a new subject," Harman said during a luncheon with Times reporters. "My question is why don't we know more about this group, and what about other groups?" The counter-terrorism case began when Washington and Gregory Vernon Patterson, 21, were arrested by Torrance police in connection with a string of gas station robberies between May 30 and July 3. The arrests led to a search of Washington's apartment on West 27th Street in Los Angeles. Detectives discovered bulletproof vests and "jihadist" materials not readily available via the Internet, authorities said. Also found were the addresses of locations including the National Guard facilities, two synagogues, the Israeli Consulate and the El Al Israel Airlines ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport. Law enforcement sources say other recovered documents suggest that particular dates — including Sept. 11 — may have been selected for terrorist attacks. Sources say they have found no links between the men arrested in Los Angeles and any overseas terrorism network. Samana was not known to have any criminal record or alleged ties to known terrorist groups. But the documents allegedly recovered from Washington's apartment, sources say, strongly suggest the men may have been planning an attack that could have unfolded in a matter of weeks. Sources say authorities have been compiling evidence for possible federal charges. Samana was being held at the federal Metropolitan Detention Center in downtown Los Angeles, but it was not clear what charge he was being held on. Washington and Patterson have been held at the Men's Central Jail since their arraignment on nine counts of robbery and one count of attempted robbery. A Superior Court judge has set bail at $1 million for Patterson and $2 million for Washington, a Rollin' 60s gang member. Attorneys for Washington and Patterson have said they have not been apprised of any charges facing their clients outside of the robbery cases. The name of Samana's attorney was not available. Patterson, who has no criminal record, worked at a duty free gift shop at LAX until early this year. No one has suggested he was surveying the airport as a possible target, but the fact that he worked at the Tom Bradley International Terminal has raised concerns for counter-terrorism officials because LAX is viewed as one of the state's most likely potential targets.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 16 2005, 06:39 AM

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Blast damages Mach rail track Staff Report QUETTA: A bomb exploded on a railway track in Balochistan on Monday, damaging a portion of the railroad, but causing no injuries, police said. The explosion blew up nearly a metre of the track near a railway station in Mach, a Railways Police official Naeem Kakar said. No trains were disrupted and Kakar said the damaged line would be repaired before any train is scheduled to travel over it. No one claimed responsibility, but authorities have blamed local tribesmen for bombings targeting railroads in Balochistan in the past. Assailants also fired rockets at a paramilitary post and nine homemade bombs exploded in separate attacks in the province on Sunday, injuring two people, police said. Five of the blasts occurred in Quetta, including one bomb that was strapped to a bicycle, Quetta police official Pervez Zahoor said. The bicycle bomb exploded near a power grid station operated by the Water and Power Development Authority in the Sariab Road neighbourhood. A policeman and an employee at the power station were injured, Zahoor said. Both men only suffered minor injuries. Earlier on Sunday, another bomb exploded in a western residential neighbourhood in Quetta, shattering the windows of several homes, Zahoor said. Four other explosions occurred in two towns, but there were no reports of injuries. Two blasts occurred in Mach. One was in a garbage bin near the town’s railway station and the other close to a wall of a police station, shattering the police station’s windows, Mach police official Muhammad Khan Marri said. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_16-8-2005_pg7_7

Posted by: Manu Aug 16 2005, 12:34 PM

http://forums.nytimes.com/top/opinion/readersopinions/forums/editorialsoped/opedcolumnists/kristofresponds/index.html?page=recent

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Nizam from Islamabad, Pakistan writes: Tens of thousands of woman have been raped by security forces in Indian Occupied Kashmir. The matter has been largely ignored by the Western defenders of the "World's Largest Democracy." The rapists gone away scot free, lauded as frontline fighters in the war on terror. Yet, while Pakistan gets a steady drubbing in the West, India walks away unscathed. Why?
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It’s quite true that Indian security forces have behaved shamefully in Kashmir. But that has actually gotten quite a bit of attention. And Pakistan hasn’t been good for the Kashmiris, either. I feel lots of sympathy for Kashmiris, but very little for either Pakistani or Indian policy toward Kashmir. Originally, Kashmir should have all gone to Pakistan, but Pakistan’s behavior since has forfeited its claim to what is now Indian Kashmir.
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Sajid from Toronto writes: Thanks for exposing the brutality of Dr Shazia's rape and a US-allied government's attempt to cover up. It goes to show what kind of friends you Americans keep. Just a question though: there are an estimated 25,000 women burned to death in India by husbands and inlaws because they did not bring enough dowry. When are you going to write a few words about that?(Is it a unique trait of Pakis to invent numbers and talk through their a$$ all the time?)

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 16 2005, 12:47 PM

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Moderate earthquake jolts Pakistan's capital, northwestern parts, no injuries reported August 17, 2005 00:38 IST A moderate earthquake shook the Pakistani capital and two cities in the northwest on Tuesday, but there were no reports of any casualties or damage, an official said. The magnitude 5.4 quake occurred at 1652 GMT and was centered in the Hindu Kush mountains in Afghanistan, 300 km north of Peshawar, the capital of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province, said Mohammed Akram, an official at the seismological center in Peshawar. The quake was felt in Islamabad, Peshawar and Chitral, an isolated city north of Peshawar on the Pakistani side of the Hindu Kush mountain range. Moderate earthquakes are often felt in Pakistan and many are often centered in the Hindu Kush mountains that straddle both Pakistan and neighbouring Afghanistan. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/17pak.htm

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5 of family shot dead in Pak 'honour killing' case August 16, 2005 17:48 IST Five members of a family were gunned down by armed men in a case of 'honour killing' in the outskirts of Pakistan's eastern city of Sialkot. All the 5 were relatives of a person identified as Ghulam Abbas, who is said to have eloped with a girl from the family of the alleged attackers a few months ago, the 'Daily Times' reported on Tuesday. Some members of the girl's family, including her father Bashir Ahmad, allegedly attacked the houses of Abbas' parents and another relative in Rehmatpur tehsil with firearms early on Monday and killed 5 people, including Abbas' mother Naziran, the report said. Abbas' father Rafique Ahmad, who was also injured in the attack, said his family had changed their residence fearing harassment by the girl's family. The girl's family had earlier lodged a case of kidnapping against Abbas and his parents. The couple have disappeared since the attack fearing for their lives, police said. Hundreds of people are killed or injured in Pakistan every year in the name of honour. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/16pak.htm
I wonder how many honour killings take place every year in Pakistan, maybe we should write about that to shut the pakis up.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 16 2005, 01:20 PM

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Terrorism: General Zia's Ghost After 58 years, the nation should have settled the fundamental issues such as constitution, rule of law, form of government, institutional limits, people’s rights, inter-class relations, inter-provincial issues and fundamental national priorities. Unfortunately, the menace of military intervention in state affairs right after the creation of Pakistan blurred the lines of demarcation between all these areas and turned the country in a pig house where nothing is clear. This state of affairs allowed any adventurer to take over the country and use the state power to shape Pakistan according to his world view. These adventurers turned things upside down according to their shabby vision. One such adventurer was general Zia ul Haq. He illegally took over Pakistan and then used all state might to shape the lives of the people according to his despicable and stinky ideals. Jihad and Jihadis were his products. What this mentally sick general did in Pakistan for eleven and half years, today Pakistan and the world are paying its price with human lives and blood. First, there was 9/11; then, there was 7/7. 3000 people became the victim of gory events of 9/11, 70 people died on 7/7. This was the gift of the policies persuaded by a man who was not elected, who was illegal president of Pakistan and who was supported by many enlightened and moderate powers in the world. Today, after 58 years of the creation of Pakistan, there is another illegal president running the country. Like his predecessor, he is also not answerable to anyone. General Zia ul Haq had all the powers, but no responsibility. Today the whole world is bleeding because of general Zia ul Haq’s stupid policies, but no one mentions his name and the role he played in building the network of these killers called jihadis. The institution general Zia ul Haq used to produce Jihad and Jihadis is still intact and thriving under general Musharraf. General Musharraf also has all the powers, but no responsibility. Tomorrow, if the world again feels pinch because of his policies, no one will blame him. The blame will go to someone else. These military dictators, who illegally take over the country and become presidents through illegal means, hold all the power, but bear no responsibility. Before general Zia and general Musharraf, there was another general who held all the power, he broke Pakistan in 1971, but he bore no responsibility. He was laid to rest with national honor and decorum. Common Pakistanis wonder, how long this vicious cycle of powerful-but-without-responsibility-military-dictators continue in Pakistan? It is about time the Pakistani nation and the world community speaks with one voice and demand for a constitutional government in the country. Only a system with supremacy of constitution, rule of law and democracy can make Pakistan a peaceful country—a country which is not at war against itself and against the rest of the world. http://www.pakistanweekly.com/Editorial.html

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 16 2005, 04:22 PM

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Judge orders California cleric deported Pakistani was one of five men arrested in terror-related probe Monday, August 15, 2005; Posted: 9:39 p.m. EDT (01:39 GMT) SAN FRANCISCO, California (CNN) -- A federal judge Monday ordered a Muslim cleric deported to Pakistan after his June arrest on immigration charges during a federal terrorism investigation. Shabbir Ahmed, the imam of a mosque in Lodi, California, is likely to be sent back to his home country within two weeks, his lawyer Saad Ahmad said Monday. Ahmed was arrested for overstaying his visa in June, along with a father and son from Lodi who were charged with lying to FBI agents, and another Muslim cleric and his son. None of the five men have been charged with terrorism crimes. During a bail hearing last week, an FBI agent testified that terrorist leaders had planned to use Ahmed as an intermediary to pass orders to Hamid Hayat, 22, who the FBI says attended an al Qaeda training camp in Pakistan. U.S. Immigration Judge Anthony Murry denied bail for Ahmed and ordered him sent back to Pakistan in a brief hearing Monday afternoon. Ahmed, 39, told the judge he was dropping his challenge to the detention and would agree to be deported. His predecessor at the Lodi mosque, Muhammad Adil Khan, and Khan's son, Muhammad Hassan Khan, were also arrested as part of the probe and agreed to be deported in July. Federal immigration officials said Ahmed and the elder Khan had planned to establish a madrassa, an Islamic school similar to one in the Pakistani city of Rawalpindi where both taught before coming to the United States. "Evidence presented at last week's proceeding showed that this madrassa has been used to recruit individuals to engage in jihad," or Muslim holy war, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency said in a statement. Hayat and his father, Umer Hayat, 47, face charges of lying to investigators, but have not been charged under any terrorism statutes. Both men are U.S. citizens. Ronald Le Fevre, the ICE's chief counsel in San Francisco, said Ahmed's deportation is "a victory for ICE and the citizens of this area." Located 90 miles (145 kilometers) east of San Francisco, Lodi is home to about 60,000 people. "Once he leaves the United States, Mr. Ahmed will no longer be in a position to advance any doctrine of hate from within our community," Le Fevre said. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/15/cleric.deportation/index.html

Posted by: Mudy Aug 16 2005, 05:16 PM

Excellent, they should clean US now from Disease Paki.

Posted by: nachiketa Aug 16 2005, 05:52 PM

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Babur came from Mongolia or Turkey? These pakis are suffering from Stockholm syndrome, they are still in love with there own ancestor’s abusers.
Babur came from Ferghana Valley - now thoroughly divided between Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgystan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferghana_Valley http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/asia_pol00.jpg

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 16 2005, 06:30 PM

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Sindhis, Baluchis stage protest demonstration on Pakistan's Independence Day By Priscilla Huff Washington, Aug.15 (ANI): Non-resident Pakistani protestors, most of them from Sindh and Baluchistan provinces, gathered outside the Pakistan Embassy in Washington on Sunday to protest against the celebration of that country's 58th Independence Day. The protest was jointly organized by the World Sindhi Institute and the Baloch Human Rights International. Claiming that Pakistan had no right to celebrate the event when there was a consistent and constant violation of human rights in that country, Dr. Malek Towghi of the Baloch Human Rights International said: "Our people have been deprived of their basic human rights and for the last 58 years or so , after Pakistan, Balochistan was occupied illegally by the Punjabi military of Pakistan. So, we want our relationship with this so-called country of Pakistan to be regularized at least by a social contract." Dr. Towghi further went on to say that Pakistan independence Day was a reminder to the Balochis of the problems that they were facing back in Pakistan, which was quite similar to what the people of Kashmir were experiencing. "The Balochis feel that they were an independent nation that was supposed to chose to join Pakistan. Only they were occupied by the newly formed Pakistan Army," Dr. Towghi said. He also expressed his despair over the Bush Administration's support of the military-backed regime in Pakistan. Emphasizing the fact that Sindhis and Balochis were proud to be American citizens, Dr. Towghi, however, said that they were "baffled as to why Washington continues to support Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf." "I'm proud to be an American, what I'm saying is unforunately by my tax dollars, my president is supporting a dictator, talking about democracy in Iraq rather than where it was," Dr. Towghi said. Criticising the Pakistan Government's crackdown on Balochis, he said: "We want democracy, we want our basic. We aren't necessarily secessionist but like Bangladesh, we might not have another choice. So what we need,especially from the civlized world, especially from the western world and especially from the civilized, democratic countries like India, and Japan, not only the West, we all request them, please help us to maintain, to establish, to re-establish democracy for which we, and now the civilized world seems to be a little more interested." "The basic problem is, our political rights. Because we ask for our political rights and the other problem now is, Balochistan is now a very...I tell you one thing, 80 percent of Pakistan's gas goes from Balochistan, from one gas field only. It is a naturally resourceful country and now they are simply trying to do what they did with Sindh, bring in Punjabis to settle under the name of development and we will be a helpless minority, like Ameican Indians here," Dr. Towghi added. Humaira Rahman, the founding director of the World Sindhi Institute Chapter just founded in Canada, said that Pakistan's Independence Day should be seen as a day of reckoning for the government and the people "It isn't a day to celebrate really, because the people of Sindh and Balochistan are ruthlessly opressed, suppressed, exploited, and we're here to register our protest," Rahman said "The Balochis and the Sindhis have come together because they have been at the receiving end of military oppression since the birth of Pakistan. Time and again, when push has come to shove, the military has not hesitated to go into Sindh and Balochistan and round up the opposition, incarcerate them, torture them, whatever needs to be done to silence them," she added. The protestors also highlighted the sufferings of Pakistani women like Dr. Shazia Khalid and Mukhtar Mai, both of whom had been raped. Rahman went so far as to term the state of women's rights in Pakistan as abysmal. "Very few women actually speak out. They suffer shame, they suffer dishonor and they just keep quiet about it or many, many commit suicide. They just live a life of traumatized silence. Few come out, Dr. Shazai Khalid is one of them Mukhtar Mai came out, increasingly, women are coming out. The hudood ordinances has not been repealed. It was put to the Parliament by the opposition earlier this year. It was rejected. The government that has been formed is a government with mullah and military support," Rahman said. "I think what this protest does is to tell them, they know it, this is nothing new, they know very well what is going on inside Pakistan, but I think that it is important that they realize that we are not going to be silenced," she added. "The one thing we'd like to accomplish is to bring to the world's attention that what is happening, the only root, the only pathway to rooting out terrorism, is to have, is to uphold democracy and human rights and that is not happening in Pakistan," she concluded. (ANI) http://in.news.yahoo.com//050815/139/5zq5n.html
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http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dr_wahid_baloch/slideshow?.dir=/c822&.src=ph

Posted by: Mudy Aug 16 2005, 07:34 PM

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http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dr_wahid_baloch/slideshow?.dir=/c822&.src=ph
What happened to Balouchies? Stories I heard from my grand parents tells something else. I was under impression 6+ft, big structure, machos, they were so ruthless during partition days that they were separating peoples into two pieces just by stretching victims legs. They used to accompany kafilias to Pakis and on way butchered Hindus in Punjab and Jammu.

Posted by: Viren Aug 16 2005, 08:08 PM

Sindhis and Baloch's have suffered a lot under Pakjabis. Their plight and suffering should be highlighted in every forum and pray the rest of world provides them with 400% diplomatic and moral support in their quest for freedom from those Pakjabi oppressers.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 17 2005, 06:22 AM

Pakistani Arrested in Possible Terror Plot Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:30 a.m. ET By JEREMIAH MARQUEZ Associated Press Writer

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LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Authorities arrested a Pakistani citizen as part of an investigation into a possible plot to attack the Israeli Consulate and several other Los Angeles-area targets. Hammad Riaz Samana, 21, was taken into custody Aug. 2 and has been detained in Los Angeles, according to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons. Federal officials would not say Tuesday what charges he could face. Samana, a student at Santa Monica College from the Karachi area, had attended the Inglewood mosque Jamat-E-Masijidul Islam since arriving in Los Angeles several years ago, said Arshed Quazi, president of the mosque. http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=1076864&tw=wn_wire_story

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 17 2005, 06:58 AM

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Link to the website of Baloch Society Of North America: http://bso-na.org/deceleb.html

Posted by: Mudy Aug 17 2005, 07:43 AM

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Sindhis and Baloch's have suffered a lot under Pakjabis.
I was suprised to see Pakjabis effect on Balouchies. Yesterday in Jon Stewart show, Seymour Hersh referred country "Balochistan" neighboring Iran during his talk. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 17 2005, 01:21 PM

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U.S. and Pakistan: Status Quo is not Working Kaushik Kapisthalam Recent events suggest that Pakistan is perhaps a part of the problem as well as the solution to many of America’s foreign policy challenges today, the most important of which is the Global War on Terror. Embarrassed by news that at least two of the alleged suicide bombers involved in the July 7 London bombings reportedly trained in jihadist camps in Pakistan, President Pervez Musharraf initiated a fresh campaign against his country’s Islamic militant groups in late July in the face of skepticism from observers. At an event at the Nixon Center, which ironically took place on July 7th, terrorism analyst Dr. Alexis Debat presented a summary of his observations from his recent visit to Pakistan. Dr. Debat’s main argument was that Pakistan is committed to fight the war on terror “but only within the narrow framework of its own national security interests.” Dr. Debat went on to suggest that instead of trying to alter Pakistan’s fundamental national outlook, the US should embrace Pakistan by offering significant military and financial assistance along with diplomatic support to Islamabad on issues like the Kashmir dispute with India. These views appear to be consonant with the US policy towards Pakistan since 9/11. In contrast to its recent activist approach with Middle Eastern Islamic nations, which is based on the idea that stable but despotic regimes need to be replaced by democratically elected governments even at the cost of short-term stability, Washington seems to be extremely unwilling to upset the status quo in Islamabad. Unfortunately, this approach with Pakistan is unlikely to produce the desired results and its unintended consequences could prove deleterious to America’s long-term security interests. To understand why, one needs to analyze key elements of the conventional wisdom on Pakistan and see if they withstand scrutiny. The first is the idea that Musharraf is the only person standing between radical Islamists and Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. This theory finds favor with some analysts, but long-term Pakistan specialists and Pakistani insiders scoff at this notion. Stephen Cohen of the Brookings Institution, one of the most respected American experts on Pakistan, avers that should Musharraf is involuntarily removed from power or even assassinated, he is likely to be replaced by another General who would continue to cooperate with America. Cohen notes in his definitive book, “The Idea of Pakistan,” that the country’s policies are largely determined by what he dubs “the Establishment,” which is essentially an oligarchy of a few thousand made up of Army Generals, feudal landlords, bureaucrats, clerics and business tycoons. At the present moment, the Establishment sees American support as vital to its interests and would therefore be unwilling to confront Washington even if Musharraf steps aside. Pakistani academic Husain Haqqani concurs with this view. Haqqani should know because he used to be the ultimate insider in Islamabad when he served as advisor to two Pakistani Prime Ministers. In his seminal book “Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military,” Haqqani documents the fact that Pakistan’s establishment has had a symbiotic relationship with Islamic extremists since 1947, when it was carved out of British India. Haqqani’s views suggest that while the Islamists and the Pakistani military may publicly lock horns, they cooperate behind the scenes to advance their common interests such as the preservation of Pakistan as an ideological state, installation of a client regime in Afghanistan and the effort to pry the territory of Kashmir from India. The Islamists act in ways to stoke Western fears of a radical takeover in Islamabad and also furnish a steady stream of indoctrinated jihadists to fight the military’s proxy wars in Afghanistan and Kashmir. In return, the military creates a disproportionate political space for the Islamists by thwarting the growth of a secular civil society. This essentially demolishes the myth that the Pakistani military is somehow the only force in Pakistan fighting against the Islamists. They are, in fact, two sides of the same coin. Kashmir is at the root of another shibboleth namely that Pakistan can only be coaxed to end its support of jihadist groups by extracting concessions from India over the Kashmir issue. Soon after 9/11, Pakistan faced a military crisis with India and Western commentators were sympathetic to the notion that it was unrealistic to expect Musharraf to take on Kashmir-linked militants in the face of India’s threat of force and a refusal to even discuss Kashmir with Pakistan. Since that time, the Indian forces have moved to the barracks and India has changed its long-term policy by talking to Pakistan on Kashmir. Despite this, Musharraf has not so much as lifted a finger against the jihadist groups and he recently hinted that he would act against the jihadists only if India agrees to territorial concessions on Kashmir. It would be naive therefore for the US to let Pakistan hold a meaningful jihadist crackdown hostage to its maximalist dream of gaining territory from India in Kashmir. In addition, the London attacks have shattered the idea that giving Pakistan space to sustain Kashmir-jihadists would not pose a direct threat to the war on terror. What is more alarming is that sleeper cells of jihadists trained in camps run by Kashmir-linked Pakistani groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba have been found in Australia, France, Spain and even in the United States. When one adds to this the recent news that US Homeland Security officials have been specifically on the lookout for individuals who may have trained in jihadist camps in Pakistan, it is undeniable that the continued existence of state-tolerated jihadist machinery in Pakistan poses a clear and present danger American security. What then is the way out? At the very minimum, the US must start questioning the validity of the assumptions that underlie its current Pakistan policy. Making a realistic assessment of the likelihood of an Islamist takeover in Pakistan would be a good place to begin. Once a candid assessment of Musharraf’s hold on power in Pakistan is made, the US should try to set unambiguous boundaries with Islamabad in the areas such as terrorism and nuclear proliferation. This has been a historical weakness of US diplomats in their dealings with a Pakistani leadership that tends to presume a larger American tolerance for risky behavior than Washington would prefer, unless the limits are made explicit. At a recent talk in Washington, former Pakistani diplomat Touqir Hussain narrated an incident from his days in Islamabad in the 1980s. When a US State Department official was due in Islamabad in the wake of a particularly damaging exposé of a Pakistan government role in a nuclear equipment smuggling deal, Hussain mentioned that he expected to hear a tough message. However, to his surprise, Hussain found the Americans apologetic about the whole incident and acted as though the US was at fault for “embarrassing” Pakistan. Had American diplomats noted up front with Pakistan that such blatant proliferation acts were unacceptable, Hussain observed, Pakistan would have complied. As it later turned out, extreme American leniency encouraged Pakistan to pursue riskier nuclear proliferation activities in the following decade. It is therefore vital for the US to set unambiguous threshold points for Pakistani activities that threaten American security interests. While Musharraf may not be able close all jihadist camps, he can and should be asked as a first step to shut down the facilities that have direct links to recent terror attacks overseas. For instance, one or more of the 7/7 bombers reportedly trained in the Lashkar-e-Taiba’s 190-acre “campus” that is situated near Lahore. There is no reason for the US to tolerate the continued existence of such large and well known jihadist training and indoctrination facilities when they have been credibly and directly linked to terrorist attacks abroad. Given that the Pakistani establishment views jihadists as military assets, it is perfectly reasonable for the US to demand that Pakistan dismantle key elements of its jihadist infrastructure concurrently with the transfer of major weapons systems from America, like the F-16 fighters. Defense cooperation brings up another risk factor. Historically, hard line elements in the Pakistani establishment have tended to interpret public praise of Islamabad combined with the lavish military assistance as a tacit green signal for risky military adventures by Pakistan in Kashmir. Each resultant Pakistani military operation ended with a bitter breakdown of US-Pakistan ties. This time around the US should not repeat past mistakes by making it amply and repeatedly clear that Washington will not support any aggressive military operation initiated by Pakistan with or without deniability. Another critical policy detail for the US to consider is the need to create a context for Musharraf to be able to take reform steps. Currently, the military establishment needs the Islamists for its legitimacy and therefore is unable to develop a constituency for moderation even if it is serious about the process. This constituency can only be created if the Pakistani military allows space for non-religious political parties to operate. It is vital therefore that the US to press Musharraf to permit all political parties to contest upcoming general elections in 2007 without hindrance. At the end of the day, the US has little choice but to have a candid talk with the Pakistani leadership. The only question is the context in which such a conversation might occur. If Washington continues to accept Musharraf’s episodic “reform” steps with the justification that the alternative is worse, it may lead to a day when a US President is once again forced to present Islamabad with an ultimatum in the aftermath of a precipitating event such as a mass casualty terrorist attack that is traced back to Pakistan or perhaps a near nuclear crisis with India triggered by the actions of a Pakistani jihadist group. The other option is to make an honest reappraisal of the current policy and effect changes at a time when the US has enormous positive leverage over Islamabad and when the Pakistani establishment is still able to exercise control over the jihadist elements. Only time will tell if the US heeds the lessons of 7/7 and alters course with Pakistan. August 16, 2005 http://www.inthenationalinterest.com/Articles/August%202005/August2005Kapisthalam.html

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 17 2005, 02:48 PM

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Indian fishermen in Pak jails treated badly: IFA August 17, 2005 18:01 IST The Indian Fishermen Association has alleged that Indian fishermen, languishing in Pakistani jails, are being treated badly. "We have received letters from these fishermen narrating their harassment by Pakistani jail authorities," IFA president Veljibhai Masani told PTI in Vadodara on Wednesday. The letters, dated August 10, are written in Gujarati and posted from Quaidabad Landhi in Karachi, he said. One fisherman, Kamlesh P Rupadiya, has alleged that Pakistani jail authorities started harassing and beating them after a media report that Pakistani persons and fishermen in Indian jails were being beaten up and harassed. Pakistani newspapers and electonic media reported on July 29 that condition of Pakistani prisoners in Indian jails was not good, Rupadiya claimed, requesting Masani to verify the media report because of which they were suffering. Masani said he received four letters, in which the fishermen described how they were forced to work from 7 am to 5 pm daily without any lunch break, while the food was served to them when they were working. "Because of the harassment and beating, condition of 12 Indian fishermen is deteriorating," the letters said, adding that everyday two to three fishermen were falling sick. According to IFA, there are 370 Indian fishermen in Pakistani jails. The government of India should secure the release of these fishermen and their 203 boats, seized by the marine security agency of Pakistan, it added. http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/aug/17fishermen.htm

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 17 2005, 02:58 PM

Kashmir dispute on the back burner again Dr Shabir Chaudhry

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In other words all the (Paki) sacrifices, all the (Paki jehadi) efforts and the talks were conducted (just) to maintain the ‘sanctity of the LoC’. What an achievement! Musharraf Government must be congratulated for this remarkable success. Musharraf Government has made progress in other areas as well. Before he assumed power 1999, Pakistan exported sugar to India, now India exports sugar to Pakistan, not to mention onions, potatoes, ginger etc. Musharraf Government proudly claims that they have “smashed the beggar’s bowl”, but reality is different to this. Since January of this year Pakistan has already borrowed $950 million from the World Bank, and that makes Pakistan fifth-largest borrower of the World Bank; of course there are loans from other institutions as well. http://pakobserver.net/200508/18/Articles01.asp

Posted by: k.ram Aug 18 2005, 05:47 AM

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POK A COLONY OF PAKISTAN By: Lt. COl. Puneet Sehgal http://www.defenceindia.com/01-aug-2k5/column1.html Pakistan's long professed concern for the right of self-determination for the Kashmiri people is mere camouflage. The fact is that Pakistan covets the land that is Jammu and Kashmir and its water resources, not its people. Not only did Pakistan not vacate the territories occupied by it, but it also ceded parts of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to China and amalgamated Gilgit, Skardu and Baltistan with Pakistan by redefining these as the Northern Territories administered directly by Islamabad. The arbitrary takeover by Pakistan of these territories was challenged in the High Court of POK and even the court felt impelled to declare Gilgit, Skardu, Baltistan etc, as part of POK. There were public protests even in these so-called territories as well as in POK but the Government in Islamabad not only ignored the protests but also the courts verdict. Not content with this, the Pakistan Government made a goodwill gesture to China by ceding 5180 km of the Northern Territories to it. Northern Territories, stretch across 60000 km with a population of 10,00,000. Pakistan further imposed constitution of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, wherein the people inhabiting the area have no right to opt out of Pakistan even if they wanted to. This also implies that, the people in PoK have no right to decide their own future, leave aside the right which it demand for the rest of the Jammu and Kashmir. People living in the PoK are virtually reduced to the level of serfs. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto with one stroke of his pen, virtually annexed the POK, by promulgating the Azad Jammu and Kashmir Act of 1974, declaring Islam to be the state religion of POK vide Article 3, forbade activities prejudicial or detrimental to the ideology of the State's accession to Pakistan (Article 7), disqualified non-Muslims from election to the Presidency and prescribed in the oath of office the pledge "to remain loyal to the country and the cause of accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to Pakistan". It then proceeded to set up a State Council for POK named and controlled by Islamabad. This was not a provisional regime but a declaration proclaiming POK as an integral part of Pakistan. Part 2 of Section 7 of the POK Constitution states: "No person or political party in Azad Jammu and Kashmir shall be permitted to propagate against, or take part in activities prejudicial or detrimental to, the ideology of the State's accession to Pakistan". Under Section 5(2) (vii) of the POK Legislative Assembly Election Ordinance 1970, a person would be disqualified for propagating any opinion or action in any manner prejudicial to the ideology of Pakistan, the ideology of POK's accession to Pakistan, or the sovereignty and integrity of Pakistan. The same caveat applies to anyone who "defames or brings into ridicule the judiciary of AJK, of Pakistan, or the Armed Forces of Pakistan". On 28th May 1999, the Supreme Court of Pakistan delivered a stinging blow to Islamabad's oppressive, undemocratic and colonial subjugation of the Northern Areas of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir by pronouncing 'it was not understandable on what basis the people of Northern Areas can be denied the fundamental rights guaranteed under the Constitution' i.e. right to equality before law, right to reside and move freely, right to vote, right to be governed by their chosen representatives, right to form political parties, right to assemble peacefully, right to freedom of speech and expression, right to habeas corpus and against illegal detention, right to acquire, hold and dispose property, and the right to have access to an appellate court of justice for the enforcement of all other rights guaranteed under the latest constitution of the country. Since independence, Pakistan has devised and changed three written constitutions and the fourth one was drawn up in 1985. The verdict was an eye opener to the world on the brutality, abuses and exactions perpetrated upon the inhabitants of POK and a vindication of the long-standing efforts of human rights activists within and outside the country to alter the grossly unfair treatment meted out to what is officially called "Azad Kashmir." For more than FIFTY FIVE years, Pakistan has flouted every norm of civilised policy and behavior in POK. Taking a cue from their Chinese mentors' 'pacification' of Tibet by ethnic flooding, successive governments uprooted and cleansed Kashmiris from their homeland and flooded the area with more loyal and dependent Punjabis. A shocking statistic as per the 1991 census, far more grotesque that Dawa Norbu's estimate that ethnic Han outnumber natives in Tibet by a 70-30 ratio, is that residents of "Azad Kashmir" are mostly Sunni Muslim and predominantly Punjabi-speaking, with barely 20 percent Kashmiris. No one from PoK can appeal to the Supreme Court or have any legislative representative in the Pakistan National Assembly. It lacks any constitutional status whatsoever. The court in POK does not entertain even writ petitions against human rights violations. All the rules in the name of law in POK are just summary administrative justice handled by an Executive Council of which 50% are non Kashmiris and it is directly responsible to the centre. The puppet 'legislative assembly' in Muzaffarabad, requires Islamabad's prior approval for all enactments of statutory rules, appointments, public property, budget, loans, taxes, internal security and civil supplies. During 'emergencies', even these semblances of institutional representation are silenced to facilitate the army's scorched earth raids. Azad Kashmir is now neither inhabited largely by Kashmiris nor is it Azad. The only freedom for those who live in PoK is the freedom of practicing Islam. There is no media and whatever public opinion is there gets squashed under the jackboot in a minute's notice. There is no way you can go out and hold a protest march. Chances are either the cops or the jackboots will gun you down. There is no civilian establishment in this region and if at all there were any pretension of any such set-up, there would be a hawk-eyed General standing close by. The entire administration is in the hands of the Pakistani army. The army runs the schools, the water department, the power stations, and the transport. Mohammed Mumtaz Khan a senior leader from Rawalakote and one of the representatives from this area had once said: "Pakistani army was using POK as a training camp for terrorists, as for development, the area lags behind Jammu & Kashmir by ages, where development had moved at almost the same pace as that of other cities in India." Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (PoK) has got neither freedom nor basic human rights. Even the self-styled government of PoK has got only puppet status. "The government is unable to solve their problems on their own. Last year National Students Federation of Azad Kashmir had raised a banner of revolt against Pakistan Government for forcing the residents of PoK to accept Pakistani national identity cards. On this move of the Pakistani establishment Arif Shahid the General Secretary of the All Party National Alliance stated in a rally that "relations are never made by force and if any relation is made forcefully it won't last. The people of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and Northern Territories have been up in arms against Islamabad. Some of the political parties which have been actively involved in the anti Pakistan crusade include Shabir Choudhry's Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front, Abdul Hamid Khan's Balawaristan National Front, All Party National Alliance, Karakoram National Movement, Karakoram Students Organization and Afro-Asian Peoples Solidarity Organization All these political parties have time and again reiterated their demand for empowering the people of PoK and Northern Territories to decide their future both political and economic outside the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The basis of their whole campaign is that the Pakistan has reduced the inhabitants of these areas as non entity. These parties have been expressing themselves against the Pakistani establishment and its policies from time to time ever since 1948. All- Parties National Alliance (APNA), the Gilgit-Baltistan National Alliance (GBNA) and other political groups have been frequently raising their voice against Pakistan establishment. APNA had organised a ''black day'' on April 28, for it was on this day they said that 'Karachi Agreement' was signed between Pakistan and that of the so-called ''Azad'' Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) government in 1949. Following this agreement, Gilgit- Baltistan, the so-called Northern Areas, which are geographically and historically part of Jammu and Kashmir, were given to Pakistan by the puppet rulers of AJK. Participation of the general public in various civilian protest programmes has increased since April. In June the JKNAP had organised an international convention which was attended by APNA leaders from PoK. The step motherly treatment and human rights atrocities in POK is no longer tenable because active national liberation movements for freedom from repression have sprung up all over the region and are giving headaches, if not nightmares, to Pervez Musharraf's government. According to Farooq Haider, chief of JKLF in charge of liberating POK, "people's urge to win their rights is simmering" due to decades of suppression of self-determination voices. One of the reasons why the ISI prefers subcontracting its anti-India subversion devices to jihadi terrorist outfits like Lashkar and Jaish rather than JKLF is due to the latter's support for the POK liberation groups. According to information gathered by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRPC) people in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) have suffered gross violations of their rights, from being continuously "watched and monitored" by Pakistan's ISI to denial of basic fundamental rights including access to judiciary and fair trial. The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has a strong presence in the region (PoK) and people here continuously feel they are being watched and monitored," said a report released by an 11-member delegation of the commission which had been on a fact finding mission in PoK. As per HRPC 'People feel that civil and political rights of Kashmiris on both sides of the LoC have been infringed', it further said that, 'under the guise of the 'Maintainance of Public Order Ordinance, which prohibits activities that are prejudicial to public safety, the fundamental freedom of the public is violated'. The delegation of HRPC which visited the districts of Muzaffarabad, Mirpur, Bagh and Rawalkot from July 16 to 19, also met government officials including top politicians, journalists, lawyers, judiciary members and various political parties of PoK. The report include press freedom, status of women and children, education, health and employment, prisons and militancy which reflects on the human rights issues involved in these sectors. The report is published by the agency under the title 'Visionaries'. On the freedom of press in PoK, the report quotes journalists as complaining that their freedom of expression is restrained. The report said citing cases of abductions and execution of journalists in the region that 'journalists frequently face harassment at the hands of intelligence agencies, jihadis and the government'. Continuing its protest against the "repressive policies" of Pakistan, All Party National Alliance (APNA), an amalgam of several political outfits in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) and Gilgit and Baltistan, has recently challenged the decision of Pakistan Government for imposing a ban on their participation in local elections. Chairman of APNA, Arif Shahid said, "it was unfair that Pakistan Government had been choking the voice of genuine Kashmiri political parties who were opposing to sign the declaration form in which Kashmir's accession to Pakistan has been termed final". The election papers of all the APNA candidates were rejected by authorities in PoK and they claimed that it was done at the behest of Pakistan Government. He said APNA had filed a petition in the High Court of PoK and if they failed to get justice here, they would move to International Court of Justice. If Pakistan is so serious regarding the rights of its brethren across, why should it ban teaching history of Kashmir? Forget about everything else - this only gives out its game plan that it is not bothered about Kashmiri identity but it is only interested in its landmass and water resources. Pakistan cannot survive without water from Kashmir so it wants to colonize Kashmir like it has colonized PoK.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 18 2005, 07:00 AM

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In Pakistan's Public Schools, Jihad Still Part of Lesson Plan The Muslim nation's public school texts still promote hatred and jihad, reformers say. By Paul Watson, Times Staff Writer LAHORE, Pakistan — Each year, thousands of Pakistani children learn from history books that Jews are tightfisted moneylenders and Christians vengeful conquerors. One textbook tells kids they should be willing to die as martyrs for Islam. They aren't being indoctrinated by extremist mullahs in madrasas, the private Islamic seminaries often blamed for stoking militancy in Pakistan. They are pupils in public schools learning from textbooks approved by the administration of President Pervez Musharraf. Since joining the U.S. as an ally in its "war on terror" four years ago, Musharraf has urged Pakistanis to shun radical Islam and pursue "enlightened moderation." Musharraf and U.S. officials say education reforms are crucial to defeating extremism in Pakistan, the only Islamic nation armed with nuclear weapons. Yet reformers who study the country's education system say public school lessons still promote hatred against non-Muslims and urge jihad, or holy war. "I have been arguing for the longest time that, in fact, our state system is the biggest madrasa," said Rubina Saigol, a U.S.-trained expert on education. "We keep blaming madrasas for everything and, of course, they are doing a lot of things I would disagree with. "But the state ideologies of hate and a violent, negative nationalism are getting out there where madrasas cannot hope to reach." The current social studies curriculum guidelines for grades 6 and 7 instruct textbook writers and teachers to "develop aspiration for jihad" and "develop a sense of respect for the struggle of [the] Muslim population for achieving independence." In North-West Frontier Province, which is governed by supporters of the ousted Taliban regime in neighboring Afghanistan, the federally approved Islamic studies textbook for eighth grade teaches students they must be prepared "to sacrifice every precious thing, including life, for jihad." "At present, jihad is continuing in different parts of the world," the chapter continues. "Numerous mujahedin [holy warriors] of Islam are involved in defending their religion, and independence, and to help their oppressed brothers across the world." The textbook for adolescent students says Muslims are allowed to "take up arms" and wage jihad in self-defense or if they are prevented from practicing their religion. "When God's people are forced to become slaves of man-made laws, they are hindered from practicing the religion of their God," the textbook says. "When all the legal ways in this regard are closed, then power should be used to eliminate the evil. "If Muslims are being oppressed," the book says, "then jihad is necessary to free them from this cruel oppression." "Jihad" can mean peaceful struggle as well as holy war. Jihad can be waged on several levels, beginning with a peaceful, inner struggle for one's own soul and escalating to killing "infidels." But Pakistani critics of the public school system maintain that jihad's softer sense is easily lost in lessons that emphasize that Muslims are oppressed in many parts of the world, and that encourage fellow Muslims to fight to free them. "Some people coming from the regular school system are volunteering for various kinds of jihad, which is not jihad in classical Islamic theory, but actually terrorism in the modern concept," said Husain Haqqani, a Pakistani author and professor of international relations at Boston University. "All of that shows that somehow the schooling system has fed intolerance and bigotry." About 97% of Pakistan's people are Muslims, so it's not unusual for its government to promote Islamic values in public schools. Many Muslims find that versions of history taught in countries dominated by non-Muslims are biased against Islam. But Pakistan's public education system goes beyond instilling pride in being Muslim and encourages bigotry that can foment violence against "the other," said Haqqani, who has written a new book on the links between the Pakistani military and radical Muslims. Under Pakistan's federal government, a national curriculum department in Islamabad, the capital, sets criteria for provincial textbook boards, which commission textbooks for local public schools. Javed Ashraf Qazi, a retired army general and former head of the military's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, was named education minister in September to revive a stalled reform effort. He acknowledges that the job is still only half finished. In a nation with one of Asia's highest illiteracy rates, Qazi said he was determined to have specialists rewrite course guidelines and textbooks, from the first grade to the college level, so that "the curriculum will be in line with that of any other advanced country." "We don't want to condemn any religion — which we will not," he added. A study of the public school curriculum and textbooks by 29 Pakistani academics in 2002 concluded that public school "textbooks tell lies, create hatred, inculcate militancy and much more." The study by the independent Sustainable Development Policy Institute angered religious conservatives, and even a few liberals, who saw it as an attack on the country's Islamic values, or even a plot by Western governments and rival India to subvert the Islamic state. Qazi headed the ISI from 1993 to 1995, when the intelligence agency was recruiting students from Pakistan's madrasas to join the extremist Taliban militia. Under Qazi's watch, the Taliban won its first major victory, the seizure of the southern Afghan city of Kandahar, with ISI training and weapons. His critics say that makes Qazi the wrong man to take on hard-line Islamic parties and clerics who are blocking education reforms at every turn. But the education minister insists that he will fight hard to correct a curriculum that he calls lopsided. It would be easier to end extremism in Pakistan if Western governments did more to resolve conflicts that anger Muslims worldwide, such as the war in Iraq, the dispute with India over the region of Kashmir, or the Palestinians' struggle against Israel, he said. Qazi insisted that he was not an extremist, but he offered a short history of the Middle East conflict that left little doubt that he wanted Pakistan's children to continue learning a distinct view of the world. "Palestinians were promised their state. Originally they were the owners of the entire area," Qazi said. "OK, Israel was created by the British. And they indulged in terrorism. The Jews were the worst terrorists in the world. "They created their state. Fine. Now that everybody has accepted it as a fait accompli, there was also acceptance of a Palestinian state. The Israelis, on one pretext or another, have not granted them that state. And every time something comes up in the Security Council, America vetoes it." After it won independence from Britain in 1947, Pakistan had a secular public school system. President Zia ul-Haq, a former military dictator, ordered Islamic education to be incorporated into the public school curriculum in the 1980s as he consolidated power with the support of hard-line clerics. Pakistan is still grappling with the lethal forces that Zia's "Islamization" policy unleashed. Educators pressing for deeper reforms suspect that Musharraf, an army general who seized power in a 1999 coup, wants to maintain elements of Zia's strategy in order to preserve the military's dominant role in Pakistani society. "Reforming education is not a part of Musharraf's agenda because it will require squarely confronting the mullahs," said Pervez Hoodbhoy, a professor who specializes in high-energy and nuclear physics. "Musharraf acts only upon pressure, and there must be relentless, sustained pressure from the outside world if meaningful reforms are ever to become reality," he said. "Those who believe in secular education are far too weak and small in numbers." Punjab state's seventh-grade social studies textbook, published in January, begins with a full-page message from Musharraf urging students to focus on modern disciplines such as information technology and computers. "It is a historical fact that the Muslims ruled the world for hundreds of years," Musharraf writes. He acknowledges that in the past, Pakistan's school curriculum "was not in concert with the requirements of modern times." But he assures students that "textbooks have been developed, revised and updated accordingly." The changes, if any, are hard to spot. Disparaging references to Christians, Jews and Hindus from previous editions are carried over into the new text. "Before Islam, people lived in untold misery all over the world," the textbook says. "Some Jewish tribes also lived in Arabia. They lent money to workers and peasants on high rates of interest and usurped their earnings. They held the whole society in their tight grip because of the ever increasing compound interest. "In short, there was no sympathy for humanity," the passage continues. "People were selfish and cruel. The rich lived in luxury and nobody bothered about the needy or those in sufferings." A section on the Crusades teaches that Europe's Christian rulers attacked Muslims in the Holy Land out of revenge even though "history has no parallel to the extremely kind treatment of the Christians by the Muslims." "Some of the Christian pilgrims to Jerusalem fabricated many false stories of suffering," the passage continues. "If they were robbed on the way, they said it were the Muslims who robbed them." Christians eventually realized they were inferior to Muslims, the chapter concludes. Combined with lessons on armed jihad, such a view of history helps make young Pakistanis ripe for manipulation by Islamic militants, who have given jihad "a demonic meaning" here, said Saigol, the education expert. "The word is so much more associated with violence, killing, death and blood," she said, "that I think it's difficult to reclaim it, as the modernists are trying to do, and turn it into a war against one's inner self." http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-schools18aug18,0,5638785.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 18 2005, 07:24 AM

The Pakistani connection By Batool Mehdi

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If one is to go by media reports, then the same London, which was once considered the epitome of a model multicultural society, now finds itself in a climate where Muslim and Pakistani are almost dirty words. Shazia Hussain, 23, born and raised in England says that a wave of paranoia and mistrust has swept London. Originally from West Yorkshire, she currently works in the capital city, where she claims she’s never felt as jittery as she does today, which is not just due to the constant fear of suicide attacks but also the feeling of being watched all the time on account of being a Muslim. Social acquaintances, to whom it previously never mattered, have now begun asking her where she originally hails from. Dilshad Patel, a 25-year-old Indian, relates another interesting story. In London -–– for a six month exchange programme -–– he recounts how after the bombings, his neighbours all cautiously approached him, wanting to know where he was from. “You can’t imagine the look of relief on their faces when they discovered that I was an Indian, not Pakistani,” he says. http://www.dawn.com/weekly/review/review5.htm

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 18 2005, 07:27 AM

Mali deports six Pakistani Islamists Thursday, 18 August , 2005, 08:06

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Bamako: Mali has deported six Pakistani Islamists on the ground that they were "illegally" staying in the country, police said on Wednesday. "They were put on a flight yesterday (Tuesday) night at Bamako airport, to return to their country," said a police officer. The six Pakistanis had been living in a mosque and were preaching, other sources told AFP. http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13919862

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 18 2005, 07:32 AM

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How Pakistan's Dr. X sold al-Qaida Islamic bomb Khan armed bin Laden for his 'American Hiroshima' plan Paul Williams, author of "Osama's Revenge" and a new book, "The Al Qaeda Connection," has stirred a national controversy with his reporting on the imminent nuclear terror threat posed by Osama bin Laden. In this exclusive dispatch, first published in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, he reveals the connections between Pakistan's nuclear mastermind and Osama bin Laden's plans for an "American Hiroshima." © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the "father of the Islamic bomb" and the "godfather of nuclear proliferation," provided nuclear expertise, nuclear materials, and designs for atomic weapons to Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri to assist in the realization of the "American Hiroshima." The American Hiroshima plan represents al-Qaida's plan for the nuclear destruction of the United States. It calls for the detonation of seven tactical nuclear devices in seven U.S. cities at the same time. Each device, according to the plan, must be equipped to produce an explosive yield of 10 kilotons to equal the 1945 blast in Hiroshima that killed 242,437 Japanese civilians. News about Dr. Khan's involvement with al-Qaida and the American Hiroshima plan first emerged with the capture of several al-Qaida operatives in Afghanistan in October 2001, during the first phase of Operation Enduring Freedom, and, later, with the arrest of Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, bin Laden's military operations chief, in Karachi, Pakistan, March 2, 2003. From Khalid Mohammad's laptop, CIA officials uncovered details of al-Qaida's plan to create a series of "nuclear hell storms" throughout the United States. After days of interrogation coupled with severe sleep deprivation, Khalid Mohammad told U.S. intelligence officials that the chain of command for the "American Hiroshima" answered directly to bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, and a mysterious scientist whom he, at first, referred to as "Dr. X," but later identified as Dr. Khan. Tim Burger and Tim McGirk in the May 12, 2003, edition of Time managed to confirm that at least one meeting between Dr. Khan and bin Laden occurred within a safe house in Kabul. The Real Dr. Strangelove Dr. A.Q. Khan spearheaded Pakistan's effort to build nuclear weapons to stabilize the nuclear threat from India. Five atomic bombs, developed by Khan, were successfully detonated beneath the scorched hills of the Baluchistan desert in 1998. Khan, who went on to work on the successful firings of the nuclear-capable Ghaudi I and II missiles, remains a revered figure in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where his birthday is celebrated in mosques. After gaining a place for Pakistan within the elite nuclear club of nations along with the United States, Russia, China, Great Britain, France, India and Israel, Khan proceeded to sell his centrifuge technology for the enrichment of uranium and his designs for atomic weapons to such countries as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Sudan, and such rogue nations as North Korea, Iran, and Libya. Abundant evidence exists that the list of Khan's customers should be expanded to include Brazil, Malaysia, Indonesia, Algeria, Kuwait, Myanmar, and Abu Dubai. More information was squeezed out of Khalid Mohammad in subsequent months, including accounts of continuous visits by bin Laden and company to the A.Q. Khan Research Laboratories in Pakistan, where they gained the assistance of such renowned nuclear physicists, including Dr. Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood, chairman of Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission. Dr. Mahmood's Confession Mahmood was taken into custody by Pakistani Inter Service Intelligence and CIA agents Oct. 23, 2001. After months of questioning, Mahmood at last admitted that he had met with bin Laden, al-Zawahiri and other al-Qaida officials on several occasions, including the fateful morning of Sept. 11, 2001, to discuss the means of speeding up the process of manufacturing nukes from the highly enriched uranium that al-Qaida had obtained from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and other sources. Mahmood insisted that he had provided answers to technical questions concerning tactical nuclear weapons but declined to provide bin Laden actual hands-on help for the creation of such devices. Upon voicing this denial, Mahmood was subjected to six lie-detector tests. He failed them all. The Nuclear Nest Throughout 2002, CIA and ISI officials obtained more and more information concerning the involvement of scientists from the A.Q. Khan Research Laboratories in the plans for the American Hiroshima. After being threatened with seven years in prison under Pakistan's Official Secrets Act, Dr. Chaudry Abdul Majid, PAEC's chief engineer, admitted that he met with bin Laden and other al-Qaida officials on a regular basis to provide technical assistance for the construction and care of its nuclear weapons. Dr. Mirza Yusuf Baig, another PAEC engineer, made a similar confession. Yet a host of other leading scientists and technicians from Khan's facility have managed to elude arrest and interrogation by quietly slipping out of the country. Dr. Mohammad Ali Mukhtar and Dr. Suleiman Assad, nuclear engineers and close colleagues of Khan and Mahmood, escaped to Myanmar, where they are currently engaged in building a 10-megawatt nuclear reactor for the Third World country. Others have made off for unknown destinations. The list of such "absconders" includes the names of Muhammad Zubair, Murad Qasim, Tariq Mahmood, Saeed Akhther, Imtaz Baig, Waheed Nasir, Munawar Ismail, Shaheen Fareed, and Khalid Mahmood. The Missing Nukes Still, the interrogations of the Pakistani scientists, coupled with findings from Dr. Mahmood's office for "charitable affairs" in Kabul, verified for the CIA that al-Qaida had produced several nuclear weapons from highly enriched uranium and plutonium pellets the size of silver dollars at Khan's facilities. At least one of these weapons was transported to Karachi where it was shipped to the United States in a cargo container. The story of the deployed nuke was reported by Arnaud de Borchgrave of the Washington Times Dec. 10, 2001. It was carried by United Press International but received little play in the national press and garnered scant attention from such major news outlets as ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN. The whereabouts of the weapon remains a mystery. There are more than 18 million potential delivery vehicles that could be used to bring the nuke into the U.S. This figure represents the number of cargo containers that arrive into the country every year. Of these containers, only 3 percent are inspected. Moreover, the bills of lading do not have to be produced until the containers reach their place of destination. News about other tactical nuclear weapons developed by Khan's facilities for bin Laden came with the arrest of Sharif al Masri in Pakistan in November 2004. Al Masri, an al-Qaida operative with close ties to Ayman al-Zawahiri, informed CIA interrogators that a number of nukes had been deployed to Mexico where arrangements had been made with a Latino street gang for their safe transport into the U.S. This story, which appeared in the Nov. 17 issue of the Nation, also failed to capture widespread press attention. Khan's 'Mea Culpa' On Feb. 4, 2004, Khan, after being confronted with tell-tale evidence obtained by inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency, issued a public statement in which he confessed that he had sold blueprints for nuclear weapons to Libya, North Korea and Iran. He expressed "the deepest sense of sorrow and anguish" that he had placed Pakistan's national security in jeopardy. "I have much to answer for," he said. Pakistan's federal cabinet and President Pervez Musharraf responded to Khan's confession by granting the esteemed scientist a full pardon for his acts of nuclear proliferation. Musharraf said that Khan and the scientists who worked with him were motivated by "money." The pardon, according to many observers, represented an attempt by the Musharraf government to appease Islamic extremists and senior Pakistani military officials who believe that Musharraf had become a traitor to the Muslim people by providing military support and assistance to the Bush administration. Khan remains a free and honored citizen of Pakistan, where neither U.S. military officials nor CIA agents can obtain the right to approach or question him. This situation has prompted Robert Gallucci, former U.N. weapons inspector and dean of Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service, to observe: "The most dangerous country for the U.S. now is Pakistan. ... We haven't been this vulnerable since the British burned Washington in 1814." Coda The story of Dr. A.Q. Khan's relationship with al-Qaida comes with a coda. Acclaimed French journalist Bernard-Henri Levy amassed considerable evidence that ISI officials executed Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl after Pearl obtained inside information on the close relationship between Khan and bin Laden, the trafficking of nuclear materials from Khan's facility near Islamabad to al-Qaida cells in Afghanistan and the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan, and the plans for the American Hiroshima. For continuing and complete coverage of Osama bin Laden's "American Hiroshima" plans, subscribe to Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online, intelligence newsletter published by the founder of WND. http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45812

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 18 2005, 07:41 AM

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FOUR people were being quizzed last night on suspicion of funding terrorists after they were arrested by armed cops at Manchester Airport. They were named by neighbours in Dudley, West Midlands, as Maqsood Ahmed and his wife Briek Bi, both 48, their son Shazad Zaffer, 23, and daughter Rabeena Kauser, 47. They are alleged to have helped finance Kashmiri separatist rebels in northern India. They were arrested as they tried to leave the UK on a flight to Pakistan http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005380116,00.html

Posted by: Mudy Aug 18 2005, 03:40 PM

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http://www.thefridaytimes.com/nuggets.shtml Nuggets from the Urdu press Pakistani terrorists in Ayodhia The daily Nawa-e-Waqt reported that the Indian police had charged that Pakistani terrorists had attacked the temple at Ayodhia and they were recognised because they spoke Sindhi and Balochi. The conspiracy was prepared in Poonch in Held Kashmir and the training was imparted by Pakistan. Khabrain editorialised that India was once again levelling false charges of terrorism against Pakistan to benefit from the pressure being put on Pakistan after 7/7. Pakistan too had handed over proof of Indian terrorism in Pakistan. Everyone knew that India did terrorism in Pakistan through Afghanistan. 7/7 done by Jews! Quoted in the daily Pakistan, MMA leaders said in a meeting in Lahore that the 7/7 bombings in London were organised by the Jews just like the bombings of 9/11 in America. JUP leader Mufti Hidayatullah said that Pakistan was being run by the slaves of America and Britain. Jamaat’s Lahore leader Hafiz Salman Butt said that the West had put the label of Islam on terrorism. 7/7 was done by Qadianis and Jews! Quoted in the daily Pakistan, Jamiat Ulema Pakistan (JUP) leader Qari Zawwar Bahadur said in Lahore that the London bombings were done by the Qadianis and the Jews as a conspiracy against Islam. He said the Qadianis and the Jews had finally come together as enemies of Islam and their plan is to victimise the Muslims of the world. He said the breakaway factions of his JUP would soon be reunited to face the government on local elections. It was reported that after the death of the JUP founder Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani, the Lahore faction of the Noorani faction led by Shah Faridul Haq and General (Retd) KM Azhar rebelled against the family of Maulana Noorani now headed by son Anas Noorani and formed a new faction. Blair did 7/7! Speaking to the Nawa-e-Waqt, a group of great Islamic scholars of Lahore, including Sarfraz Naeemi of Jamia Naimiyya, Maulana Abdur Rehman Makki of Jamaat Dawa, Pir Saifullah, Maulana Nusrat Ali Shahani, Maulana Abdul Malik and others, said that Tony Blair’s popularity was failing, and therefore he arranged the 7/7 London bombings to unite his voters. They said that 9/11 too was a plan to grab the Muslim states; and Musharraf was committing a blunder by supporting Bush. ROTFL.gif Everyone except Paki did biggrin.gif Qadianis not allowed, please! ohmy.gif As reported in the Jang, chief election commissioner Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar announced that all candidates standing for local elections would have to submit affidavits of Khatm-e-Nabuwwat so that no Qadiani could avail the right of standing for elections under otherwise joint electorates. Non-Muslims are allowed but not Qadianis. The affidavit denounces the apostatised sect. Sudan will break up! Columnist Sarwat Jamal Asma’i wrote in the Jang that Khartoum and rebels in southern Sudan have signed an agreement under which Islamic shariat will not be applied to the Christian and animist people of the South, and Islamic banking too will not be applicable to them. He was of the opinion that this will undo Sudan as the Western powers interested in Sudanese oil will create further rifts on the basis of the said agreement because they are interested in Sudanese oil. Girls beat boys again! Reported in Khabrain, matriculation results in the Lahore, Multan and Gujranwala divisions of the Punjab showed that girls had taken the top three positions and that girls had passed in larger numbers while 50 per cent of the boys had failed the exam for 2005. State-owned schools did not perform well. No distinction was won by their students. The English-medium private school students protested that their answer sheets were checked by Urdu-medium teachers. biggrin.gif Village council gets boy sodomised According to Khabrain, in Dera Ismail Khan (NWFP) a village council (jirga) decided that a large number of men should take 17-year old Habib into the fields and sodomise him. Dozens of men complied and raped the boy, but after the act was completed, the ulema appeared on the scene and ruled that their nikah with their wives had become null and void. After this all the men of the village who had sodomised the boy arranged for remarriage to the wives they had lost because of sodomy. , The men of the village had relied on a five-man jirga which was now in jail. ohmy.gif Qadianis have joined the Jews Reported in the Nawa-e-Waqt, a Khatm-e-Nabuwwat gathering in Muzaffarabad came to the conclusion that the Qadianis were becoming active in Kotli and Muzaffarabad and were building their places of worship that looked alarmingly like mosques. They accused the prime minister of Azad Kashmir of being Qadiani-Nawaz (favouring Qadianis) and said that the Qadianis had joined the Jews to start a conspiracy to divide Kashmir forever. biggrin.gif The myth of rape in East Pakistan In a letter reproduced in the column of Irshad Haqqani in the Jang, it was stated that no one in Bangladesh at first referred to any rape carried out by the Pakistan army. During a visit to Bangladesh it was seen that the Dhaka museum had two halls showing the atrocities committed by Pakistanis, including deaths during the language protests in 1952 when a West Pakistani police officer Masood Mehmud got the police to open fire on civilians, but there was no mention of large scale rape of Bengali women by the Pakistan army. rolleyes.gif Somnath was tomb of Manat The Sunday magazine of the Nawa-e-Waqt had a write-up derived from Romilla Thapar saying that before Mehmud Ghaznavi destroyed the mandir of Somnath in Gujarat, he was told by someone that Somnath was actually the worshiping place of Manat, the goddess whose black statue was taken from Makka and brought to Gujarat. Ghaznavi was supposed to be following the directive of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), that the mandir of Manat should be destroyed. Sadly, the Ismailis destroyed another mandir in Multan, but Ghaznavi came down and destroyed their mosque thinking they were not good Muslims. Ghaznavi attacked Multan and Mansura and killed non-orthodox Muslims along with the infidels.

Posted by: Mudy Aug 18 2005, 03:44 PM

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page1.shtml Najam Sethi's E d i t o r i a l

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Gen Ayub Khan’s one party “basic democrat system” couldn’t save him when he ran into popular trouble and it was scrapped after his exit. Gen Zia ul Haq’s first two local elections in 1979 and 1983 were damp squibs because the most popular party in the country (PPP) was not eligible to contest, and the political route ahead was misty. Certainly, the prospects for democracy were looking dim after he crushed the Movement for the Restoration of Democracy (MRD). But in 1987, the local elections were more inspired because the national polls had been held in 1985, and Mohammad Khan Junejo had allowed Benazir Bhutto to return from exile in 1986 and canvass for her party. Despite the non-party status of national and local polls, despite Gen Zia’s lordship, the political prospects for democracy were looking up at the time. Notwithstanding this, however, Gen Zia’s local government system crashed after he died in 1988 because it wasn’t sufficiently democratic or legitimate for the political forces which succeeded him. Gen Musharraf’s local system was fashioned in 1999-2000 when he didn’t want to truck with anyone from the ancient PPP or PMLN regime. He wasn’t in pursuit of democracy either. Hence his emphasis on a non-party devolution of power (sic) to a new tier of government independent of any party political provincial or national setup; hence too its umbilical link to General Musharraf himself through hand picked, all powerful provincial governors. But that is precisely why the 2001 local elections were lacklustre. The prospects for democratic participation were dim because the mainstream political parties and leaders were left out. Before the 2002 national elections, it was clear that General Musharraf’s presidential referendum had failed to provide legitimacy to him. After the 2002 elections, it was equally clear that his non-party local system was out of step with the party provincial establishments conjured by him. Hence the subsequent debate and amendments to ‘reform’ the local system so that it is in sync with General Musharraf’s party political objectives of longevity and legitimacy after the next general elections in 2007. Thus we have the current spectacle of “non-party” local polls in which candidates of the sole ruling party are contesting against opposition or independent candidates without a party name to identify them, a definite edge to the incumbent establishment. Thus General Musharraf and Co are openly canvassing for ruling party candidates. Thus all the signs of pre-election rigging to achieve “suitable results”: 16 districts in Sindh have been gerrymandered; the CEC won’t be confirmed until after these elections; opposition candidates have been arm-twisted to cross the floor; bureaucrats and policemen have been transferred to facilitate “positive results”; polling stations have been relocated; electoral lists have been revised. Etc. This will doubtless be followed by various post-election devices to entrench the ruling party in power so that it can sweep the 2007 party-based general elections. This is why the current local elections are generating so much enthusiasm today and this is why they are significant. But will these elections stabilize General Musharraf and vitalize democracy in the country? We think not. To be sure, by virtue of his uniform, General Musharraf has fully usurped Nawaz Sharif’s Muslim League. He has also been successful in bribing or forcing an increasing number of PPP supporters to switch loyalties, which will seriously undermine Ms Bhutto’s national and provincial prospects in 2007. More than that, the Supreme Court’s “timely” ruling last Tuesday whereby it has attached certain educational conditions for contesting elections (three years after the issue first came up in 2002!) will dilute the religious parties who were the principal beneficiaries of the PPP’s loss in 2002. So this time the PPP and the MMA are both being targeted and the principal beneficiary is the ruling PMLQ only. That may make Gen Musharraf feel personally more secure. But will it make Pakistan less unstable politically in the longer term? Can the consolidation of one party rule in support of a military general in uniform ever be good for democracy? Can an un-institutionalized system survive its creator? The answers, my friends, have been blowing in the wind since the time of Generals Ayub Khan and Zia ul Haq

Posted by: k.ram Aug 19 2005, 04:44 AM

Old thread is locked. Please continue here.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 19 2005, 07:14 AM

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Pakistan excluded from India’s new dual citizenship law NEW DELHI: Indian Minister of State for Home Affairs Shri Prakash Jaiswal Sidhe on Thursday expressed his optimism that the people of Indian origin in Pakistan and Bangaldesh would be able to get dual citizenship. He was speaking at the Rajia Sabha after the Lok Sabha approved the dual citizenship bill, allowing non-residents Indians to get registered as Indian citizens. The bill does not include Pakistani and Bangladeshi people of Indian origin. Jaisawal said the offer was not extended to Pakistan and Bangladesh due to the fact that the Indians had migrated to these countries on their own will. He, however, hoped that perhaps a time would come after five to 10 years when the facility would be offered to Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. Minister of State for External Affairs E Ahmad informed the Rajya Sabha that 371 Indian fishermen were in Pakistani jails and six were in Bangladesh. He stated that the government was consistently taking up the matter with the two countries for the release of the fishermen and their boats. About 198 Indian fishing boats are in Pakistan, 75 in Sri Lanka and two in Bangladesh. Separately, External Affairs Minister Natwar Singh told the Rajia Sabha that the Indian government did not meet any diplomatic failure in mustering support for a permanent membership of the United Nations Security Council. http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/aug2005-daily/19-08-2005/main/main14.htm
What a nutcase, he is talking about giving citizenship to Jihadis, he should be put in jail for treason.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 19 2005, 07:16 AM

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US concerned over "inciteful" passages in Pak. textbooks Washington, Aug. 19 (PTI): The United States has expressed 'serious concern' over anti-Christian and anti-Jewish passages in Pakistani textbooks and termed them as "unacceptable and inciteful". The issue is a matter of concern for the US even though Pakistan is in the process of reviewing the educational system, State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, said. "These type of reports are of serious concern to us," he said referring to reports in a section of the US media that 'jihad' was still a part of school curricula in Pakistan. The United States has specifically raised the issue of "unacceptable and inciteful" texbooks with the Pakistan government. "We have engaged the Pakistani Government on this issue, specifically on the issue of textbooks and language that, upon reading it, was clearly, clearly unacceptable and inciteful or would cause people to perhaps lash out with violent actions and encourages people to do that," McCormack told reporters here. He said the issue was raised during the recent visit of the Pakistani Education Minister to Washington. "We understand that the Pakistani government has set up a review process to look at these various issues and that President (Pervez) Musharraf has declared his opposition to extremism and he has taken actions against extremists," he said. "This is a process in which President Musharraf and his cabinet are working to reform the educational system, the madrasas as well as the textbooks, and they do have a process for reviewing it. But it is an issue of concern," he said. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200508191190.htm
It seems like anti hindu passages are alright for US.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 19 2005, 07:19 AM

Pakistan should import democracy from India: Shabir Choudhry

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London, Aug 18 (ANI): Noted Kashmir writer and leader, Dr Shabir Choudhry has in an article on the occasion of independence day of India and Pakistan said that apart from trade, Islamabad should try to import some democracy from New Delhi. He said that importing democracy from India would be a very good confidence building measure and Pakistan should not restrict its trade to onions, potatoes and tomatoes only. http://in.news.yahoo.com/050818/139/5zrlw.html

Posted by: Mudy Aug 19 2005, 10:17 AM

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He, however, hoped that perhaps a time would come after five to 10 years when the facility would be offered to Pakistan and Bangladesh as well.
Sure, that will be a dooms day.

Posted by: Mudy Aug 19 2005, 10:22 AM

Yesterday, I was browing Paki newspaper(print version) - Paklink, There was a full page ad against Military dictatorship and Jalebi article with her best picture. biggrin.gif When I compared IndiaWest and Paklink, there was not a single positive article on India or Hindus or any referece to Paki Hindus but Indian paper was full of Pro Paki or pro Muslim and Hindu bashing articles. It seems we hate us more than other hate us. And we love our enemy more than us. Sad. Wake up.

Posted by: acharya Aug 19 2005, 11:00 AM

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Yesterday, I was browing Paki newspaper(print version) - Paklink, There was a full page ad against Military dictatorship and Jalebi article with her best picture. biggrin.gif When I compared IndiaWest and Paklink, there was not a single positive article on India or Hindus or any referece to Paki Hindus but Indian paper was full of Pro Paki or pro Muslim and Hindu bashing articles. It seems we hate us more than other hate us. And we love our enemy more than us. Sad. Wake up.
The secular editors of Indian newspapers have created a 'manufactured consent' so that the view of Indians and its heritage is put down. This is mostly done by indoctrinating the generation of editors and changing the educaiton system to put Indian culture down.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Aug 19 2005, 05:23 PM

Pakistan is taboo in Copenhagen

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The Danish capital of Copenhagen, which was, supposed to name one of the city roads as Pakistan is now embroiled in a tussle with the residents, who do not want any part of the city to be associated with the name — Pakistan. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1199761.cms

Posted by: Naresh Aug 22 2005, 07:20 AM

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/aug2005-daily/12-08-2005/main/main1.htm

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Babur is a train-hugging missile pakee.gif and it has the most advanced and modern navigation and guidance system and a high degree of manoeuvrability.
Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Aug 22 2005, 09:42 AM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_22-8-2005_pg7_5 They can hire us. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Naresh Aug 23 2005, 04:19 PM

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/aug-2005/24/columns5.php pakee.gif

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"If a survey is conducted in respect of land holdings, there will be hardly anyone who could prove proprietary rights before 1857".
In Other Words : Pakistan's Feudals were created by the British as a Reward for Co-operation with the "British Masters" during the Mutiny. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Aug 24 2005, 09:42 AM

http://www.sbpost.ie/breakingnews/breaking_story.asp?j=126228880&p=yz6zz946x&n=126229489

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German luxury sportscar maker Porsche will start selling vehicles in Pakistan next year. Starting in the first quarter of 2006, Porsche will open a showroom in Lahore, with an eye toward soon expanding into Islamabad and Karachi.
Sign of surplus money biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mudy Aug 24 2005, 12:54 PM

Pioneer

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Pervez admits Khan gave N-equipment to Pyongyang AP / Tokyo Pakistan President Gen Pervez Musharraf has given details for the first time on the kind of nuclear technology that former top Pakistani nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan transferred to North Korea, a Japanese media report said on Wednesday. Gen Musharraf reportedly told Kyodo news agency in an interview that Khan provided centrifuge machines and their designs to North Korea. "Yes, he passed centrifuges - parts and complete. I do not exactly remember the number," Gen Musharraf told Kyodo in Islamabad. The General's spokesman Maj Gen Shaukat Sultan said the Pakistani leader had confirmed that Khan provided centrifuges for enriching uranium and their designs to North Korea in an interview, but added that the technology was only a small part of what would be need to develop a nuclear bomb. Khan, regarded as the father of the programme that built Pakistan's nuclear bomb, confessed in early 2004 that he had spread sensitive technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea without the knowledge of the government. Khan, who is accused of operating an international black market network in weapons technology, was subsequently pardoned by the General but is still kept under house arrest in Islamabad. The Pakistani government has since given only scant details about the transfers that Khan made, particularly to Pyongyang's secretive communist regime. Gen Musharraf told Kyodo that while the disgraced scientist's laboratory engaged in uranium enrichment, it was not involved in other key steps needed to make a nuclear bomb, such as conversion of uranium into gas and development of the trigger mechanism and delivery systems. "So if North Korea has made a bomb... Dr AQ Khan's part is only enriching the uranium to weapons grade. He does not know about making the bomb," he said. But Pakistan has since severed its defence cooperation with North Korea in the production of conventional weapons, he added.
Why Khan was using PAF? Who gave him authority? It was one and only one Mushy.

Posted by: Manu Aug 24 2005, 04:19 PM

The following is a list of Islamists in Gitmo. Please see: (1) Not just the number from Pakistan/A'Stan but number of Pakis caught in different parts of the world (you can make out by their names, I hope). (2) Check out the Men From France - for the Lone Indian Connection. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/guantanamo_nationalities.html

Posted by: Naresh Aug 25 2005, 01:28 AM

http://www.dawn.com/2005/08/25/welcome.htm BEIJING, Aug 25 (Reuters) Seventeen Chinese have been charged with running guns from Pakistan in one of the largest arms-smuggling cases in China's history, state media said on Thursday. The defendants, who went on trial on Tuesday in the remote western province of Qinghai, neighbouring Tibet, are accused of buying more than 900 guns and 1,500 gun accessories in Pakistan, the China Daily said. (Posted @ 09:55 PST) Does this mean that in addition to Xinjiang, China also has an Islamic Insurgency in Qinghai? Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Aug 25 2005, 10:42 AM

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http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page8.shtml Our periodic discovery of Pak-US ‘honeymoons’ : Khaled Ahmed’s A n a l y s i s American scholar Dennis Kux wrote two books. The first was about America’s troubled relations with India, India and the United States: Estranged Democracies 1941-1991 (1992). India’s umbrage arose from America’s tilt towards Pakistan. His second book was on America’s troubled relations with Pakistan, The United States and Pakistan, 1947-2000: Disenchanted Allies (2001). Pakistan’s umbrage arose from an irreducible American tilt towards India. Pakistan had signed multilateral defence pacts directed against the Soviet Union and wanted exclusive attention from the US. The US had global interests as opposed to Pakistan’s regional fixation with India. America did not accept that Pakistan should interpret CENTO and SEATO – and military assistance given under them - as being directed against India. America ended up making no one happy in South Asia. An isolationist America had been dragged out into a global confrontation with the Soviet Union. Its foreign policy tenet was realistic: there are no permanent friends and no permanent foes in foreign relations. This gave it the flexibility needed to conduct a good foreign policy on the basis if national self-interest. Behind this spread a large canopy of pronouncements by the founding fathers not to step out into the ‘foreign world’: be isolationist and unilateralist rather than globalist and multilateralist. During the Cold War many countries benefited from America’s reluctant ‘outing’. Pakistan was one, although ideologically speaking both were strange bedfellows. Pakistan’s was a wise decision because, at the end of the Cold War, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, it ended up on the winning side. Needless to say, all criteria in assessing this have to be India-centric. Seeking self-interest while protesting altruism : America’s self-interest was opposition to the Soviet Union. Pakistan’s self-interest was opposition to India. America felt easy helping Pakistan because India was a ‘non-aligned’ friend of the Soviet Union. Compared to that, Pakistan was an ‘allied friend’ of America. But this ease was limited: India was not in the Soviet bloc and was a democracy that worked. Pakistan was able to defy a much bigger India because of the reluctant American backing. It fought wars that the Americans found distracting. After the end of the Cold War, Americans and India were ready to start up a relationship based on strategies that meshed at regional and global levels: India gets the regional advantage and America gets the global advantage. But Pakistan was able to return to the ‘leveraged’ Cold War relationship with America once again after 9/11. Pakistanis should be happy going back to familiar territory, but they are not. The first mismatch of perceptions on foreign policy came in the very beginning of the Cold War when America had to choose Pakistan as an ally because India was not ready to be drawn out of what it called neutrality. When Pakistan’s prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan visited the United States in 1950 his speech-writer Ahmad Shah ‘Patras’ Bokhari got him to say the following words against the off-putting American no-friends-no-foes principle in foreign policy: ‘A statesman, well known in history, speaking of his own country, once said that it had no eternal friends and no eternal enemies but that it had eternal national interests. Personally I believe that is too cynical a view to take of the foreign relations of any country, unless the word “interests” is interpreted very widely. But perhaps for some people it is a good starting point for the study of foreign relations’. A virgin in repeated honeymoons : As the twig was bent so has the tree grown. Writing in Jang (30 July 2005) senior columnist Irshad Haqqani stated that it was no use worrying about the behaviour of the United States. At the most, protests will compel America to give Pakistan a modest ‘lollypop’. The truth is that Pakistan is not regarded as a strategic partner in America. Our position is that of a labourer working on daily wages. American ex-ambassador to Pakistan Robert Oakley, speaking at the launch of Hussain Haqqani’s book in Washington, said that Pakistan was a client state of the United States. In other words, when the worker-state has completed its job and is no longer required, then its wages are stopped. President Musharraf should understand this fact. If Bush had such a good equation with Musharraf, how could the US signed such an important strategic defence-related agreement with India? In 2002 Irshad Haqqani was in Washington and asked deputy secretary of state Armitage as to when the third honeymoon between the US and Pakistan will come to end. Armitage replied that only time would tell, and that the jury was still out on the question. Armitage had earlier told India that Pak-US relations in the past were not based on any real friendship. Pakistan’s first honeymoon started in 1965 since Pakistan served the interests of the US during the Cold War. The Afghan war in 1979 began the second honeymoon which ended with the exit of the Soviet forces from Afghanistan. The third honeymoon after 9/11 is still on, but Pakistan must remember that, in the past, two honeymoons have not benefited Pakistan. Pakistan’s status and its performance cannot become a durable foundation for a permanent relationship with the United States. Our ‘ghairat’ and America’s ‘dagha’ : A much more ‘primitive’ view of foreign policy is also expressed daily in the columns of the Urdu press in Pakistan. This primitive view is important because politicians often take recourse to it to demonise foreign states and vilify their opponents at home. Columnist Shaukat Hussain Shaukat wrote in Khabrain (31 July 2005) that he was thankful to Allah that He had made the Iranians a zinda (alive) nation. Nations who have qaumi ghairat (national pride) and qaumi jazba (national passion) do not fear anyone but Allah. The Iranians’ election of Ahmadinejad, the son of a poor father, has caused the Americans to tremble. The truth is that American dollars cannot buy the iman (faith) of the Iranians. The rich are only concerned with amassing wealth wherever they might be. The way Ahmadinejad is now challenging the Americans encourages the poor and downtrodden people of the world while scaring the buzdil (cowardly) and greedy people of the world. The United States has a worldview based on a long controversy. Its foreign policy is underpinned by a high-quality intellectual debate on strategy. Yet pragmatism often forces it to deviate from perceived principles. This leads to a lot of heated debate, which further refines the way Washington decides to act in the realm of foreign policy. Most other states do the same sort of thing in their pursuit of self-interest but don’t admit debate to the same extent. Let us see what Arthur Schlesinger Jr has to say on the subject in his latest book War and the American Presidency (2004). We will save ourselves a lot of time shouting ‘double standards’ and learn to behave towards the United States just as opportunistically as America does towards us and be sincere and honest about it. American unilateralism and isolationism : President Bush didn’t turn ‘unilateralist’ out of the blue. He was echoing the crux of the foreign policy doctrine announced by America at its birth. Unilateralism means acting alone and acting alone is the policy of an isolationist power. Isolationism was America’s cardinal tenet and it violated it at certain times of duress, to always come back to it. George Washington, the first president, in his Farewell Address asserted: ‘Steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world’. And Thomas Jefferson in his Inaugural Address proposed that ‘peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none’. Everyone in the opposition agreed with him. The thought behind these words is that America must remain the master of its own fate – another of saying “isolationism”. That however doesn’t mean that the US will be isolationist in trade. Trade is just another name for a total absence of isolationism. How does America reconcile these two clashing functions? First of all, relations with ‘the foreign world’ are not prohibited; only they shouldn’t be permanent. If there is obstruction to trade America can lean on its ‘unilateralist’ mode of conduct to sort things out. However, America has to be a master of its own fate only if it is powerful. Being powerful, it shuns formal permanent linkages that bind it to any pledges of regard for other states’ wellbeing. The power it has enables it to act alone. Schlesinger then introduces the variations on the theme as America tries to practise the doctrine of isolationism. The doctrine was shaped by the founding fathers’ fear of the wars that Europe was getting into as a matter of habit. America wanted peace so that it could ply its trade. Jefferson liked France better than Britain but he was scared of Napoleon becoming the monarch of entire Europe. America’s unusual ‘outings’ : The stay-away policy however could not stop the First World War from happening. A hiccup came in the shape of President Woodrow Wilson who tried to ‘join up’ with the rest of the world in the League of Nations, as outlined in the Treaty of Versailles of 1919. (Bhutto used to refer to ‘Wilsonian peace’ although Wilson could hardly make it back to Washington after going ‘globalist’ at Versailles.) Congress stayed out of the League of Nations by not endorsing the treaty. America was all set once again to ‘go back home’. Looked at closely, Wilson was not very Wilsonian either. He sent American troops into Mexico, Dominican Republic, Cuba and the Soviet Union; and he violated his idealism of spreading democracy in the world by curtailing black rights in Washington through segregation. (George F. Will, The Washington Post , 19 June 1988.) Roosevelt was a Wilsonian living in an isolationist environment when he became president on the eve of the Second World War. He began ‘educating’ the public opinion on the ‘international dangers’ lurking outside. In 1941 he could get the draft extended by Congress only by one vote. Then Europe plunged into the Second World War and Japan gave America its Pearl Harbour, and he got what he wanted: an interventionist policy that would forestall damage to American interests. He got away with a lot, in fact he got America embroiled in a number of international structures (Dumbarton Oaks for the UN, Bretton Woods for the World Bank and the IMF, Hot Springs for FAO, Chicago for ICAO, Washington for Marshall Plan) that offended against the spirit of its state policy. (His pre-Pearl Harbour low point was when he sent a message to Churchill asking him to consider surrendering to Hitler!) Repeated honeymoons or dull marriage? The American Constitution was shaped by the idea of isolationism. It forbade the President to go to war or send out troops without the approval of the Senate. But President Truman sent out the troops to Korea without asking the Senate, thus setting up the precedent that an ‘imperial presidency’ could go to war whenever it chose. Nothing damaged American isolationism more than the Cold War and the fear of the Soviet Union. Joseph Stalin suppressed American’s isolationist instinct for forty years! On the eve of the collapse of the Soviet Union America was deeply involved with the outside world, culturally, commercially, politically and militarily. Yet after the end of the Soviet challenge, Republicans dominating Congress in 1994 were accusing President Clinton of ‘subjugating the US to the UN’ (Newt Gingrich) and expressing the fear that ‘international organisations too often reflect a consensus that opposes American interests or does not reflect American principles and ideals’ (Bob Dole). Today, bills are tabled in Congress asking the US to leave the UN! And understandably America is in arrears on its share of the UN finding. The great American thinker on international relations, Hans J Morgenthau says in A New Foreign Policy for the United States (1969) : ‘While the isolationists (in America) used to say, “We don’t need to have anything to do with the world, for we can take care of our own interests on our own terms”, the globalists say, “We shall take on the whole world, but only on our own terms”. In short, isolationism is a kind of introverted globalism, and globalism is a kind of isolationism turned inside out’. The third Pak-US honeymoon is on. Calling it honeymoon simply affirms that Pakistan once again accepts the relationship as being based on opportunism. The only thing wrong is that we vilify the Americans for seeking self-interest while both the countries are equally in pursuit of it. Looking back on the last half century, Pakistan has done rather well for it. If honeymoons get repeated they are better than a steady but lacklustre marriage. It is in bad taste on the part of our opinion-writers to protest Pakistan’s virginity so loudly during each coupling.
Enjoy Pakistan married life. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mudy Aug 25 2005, 10:50 AM

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Aitzaz Ahsan versus Sheikh Rashid Speaking to the Nawa-e-Waqt, PPP leader Aitzaz Ahsan said that PML leader Sheikh Rashid had accused him as interior minister of having given to India a list of Sikh activists working for Pakistan. The accusation was also made by PML leader Iqbal Ahmad Khan but he had apologised to Ahsan. Ahsan went to court against the allegation made by Sheikh Rashid and got a decree of Rs 2 crore against him. But he did not collect because he just wanted Sheikh Rashid to be proved a liar. Sonia should be killed Reported in the daily Pakistan, many in the film industry said that Nur Jahan’s grand daughter Sonia Jahan had apostatised (murtad) herself by marrying a Hindu. Actor Mustafa Qureshi said that it was shocking that she had gone murtad. He said she was the daughter of Nur Jahan’s son Akbar Rizvi. The day Akbar died, Sonia was taken by her foreigner mother to India. She never visited Lahore again. Director Gul Akbar Fartash said that Sonia’s marriage to a Hindu had broken the heart of the Muslims of the world. Producer Akbar said that, before this, Muslim actress Nargis had married Hindu Sunil Dutt. He said Sonia should now be killed (wajibul qatl). Kashmir or onions? The daily Nawa-e-Waqt editorialised that now Indian onions and garlic were being imported into Pakistan through the land route at Wagah near Lahore. India had always wanted to ignore the Pakistani demand for Kashmir and offer bilateral trade instead. Now, sadly, Pakistan had agreed to get onions from India instead of Kashmir biggrin.gif Pakistan can destroy Israel with two bombs! Talking to Khabrain, Humayun Gauhar said that America was going to destroy Pakistan after dealing with Iraq. America in fact wanted to grab the resources of the Muslims. It created the Al Qaeda in cooperation with Osama bin Laden. It was also the inventor of the mujahideen. But today, if Pakistan got rid of the mujahideen, it would destroy its own second line of defence. He said there would be no Indo-Pak war but Pakistan could destroy Israel with two nuclear bombs. What is there in Pakistan except hungry poor fundoos!!

Posted by: Mudy Aug 25 2005, 10:52 AM

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Pak-American honeymoons Writing in the Jang, Irshad Haqqani stated that it was no use worrying about the behaviour of the United States. At the most, protests will compel America to give Pakistan a modest ‘lollypop.’ The truth is that Pakistan is not regarded as a strategic partner in America. Our position is that of a labourer working on daily wages. American ex-ambassador to Pakistan Robert Oakley, speaking at the launch of Hussain Haqqani’s book in Washington, said that Pakistan was a client state of the United States. In other words, when the worker-state has completed its job and is no longer required, then its wages are stopped. President Musharraf should understand this fact. If Bush had such a good equation with Musharraf, how could the US sign such an important strategic defence-related agreement with India? In 2002 Haqqani was in Washington and asked Deputy Secretary of State Armitage as to when the third honeymoon between the US and Pakistan would come to end. Armitage replied that only time would tell, and that the jury was still out on the question. Armitage had earlier told India that Pak-US relations in the past were not based on any real friendship. Pakistan’s first honeymoon started in 1965 since Pakistan served the interests of the US during the Cold War. The Afghan war in 1979 began the second honeymoon which ended with the exit of the Soviet forces from Afghanistan. The third honeymoon after 9/11 is still on, but Pakistan must remember that in the past, two honeymoons have not benefited Pakistan. Pakistan’s status and its performance cannot become a durable foundation for a permanent relationship with the United States.
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page6a.shtml Indo-US deal: impact on Indo-Pak relations : Moeed Yusuf

Posted by: Naresh Aug 26 2005, 04:27 PM

Land of the Pure “Rattled” by India-Forum pakee.gif A responsible nation liar.gif Pakistan gets broad coverage in the international media when it comes to its nuclear programme and counter terrorism. While many reports depict the correct picture, http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/aug-2005/27/columns5.php clap.gif , dedicated to churn out anti-Pakistan agenda. These websites do not stop criticising even the bold steps taken by the government to make the country enlightened and prosperous. Flush.gif Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Aug 26 2005, 06:25 PM

We are resposible forum, we give full honor to every single achievement came out of Terrorist state of Pakistan. biggrin.gif pakee.gif

Posted by: Naresh Aug 27 2005, 01:27 AM

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We are resposible forum, we give full honor to every single achievement came out of Terrorist state of Pakistan. biggrin.gif pakee.gif
Mudy Ji and all Fellow Members : thumbup.gif Please keep up the good work! clap.gif Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Naresh Aug 28 2005, 10:32 AM

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/aug2005-daily/28-08-2005/main/update.shtml#05 ROME: Italy to evict 600 Muslims including over 50 Pakistan nationals today. Italian security forces had arrested them from various cities in a countrywide swoop under terror suspicion after July 7 attacks in London. Over 50 Pakistanis being deported from Italy will be sent to Islamabad today by a flight of PIA. They have illegally arrived in the country, Italian authorities said. Cheers

Posted by: Mudy Aug 30 2005, 08:30 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1476827,0008.htm

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As Pakistan insisted that underworld don Dawood Ibrahim, whose deportation is sought by India, is not in its territory, the US on Tuesday said the fugitive is "very much" in its sights and it would like to see individuals like him apprehended. "Individuals like him... We would like to see them apprehended," American Ambassador David Mulford told reporters here on being asked about Dawood, a designated terrorist by the US, and said to be in Pakistan. "He is very much in our sights," Mulford said without elaborating.
It means pressure on Mushy to dump him or bump him.

Posted by: Mudy Aug 30 2005, 08:20 PM

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/174/story_17402_1.html

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In a rare appearance of a Muslim head of state before a Jewish group, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf will address an invitation-only crowd of American Jewish leaders in New York City. Between 250 and 300 leaders representing national Jewish organizations, rabbinical schools and the major streams of Judaism are expected to attend the Sept. 17 event, said David Twersky, director of the Council for World Jewry.
Looking for weapons or ready to deliver his head to OBL. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mudy Sep 1 2005, 12:03 PM

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Killer of convert commits suicide Reported in the Nawa-e-Waqt, a Qadiani boy was found dead in a Gujranwala prison. Aslam had killed his uncle Naseer Ahmad for converting to Islam from his Ahmedi sect. Aslam was arrested and put in jail. He was said to have been greatly disturbed while in custody and had committed suicide in the bathroom of the prison. Iranians are ‘zinda qaum’! Columnist Shaukat Hussain Shaukat wrote in Khabrain that he was thankful to Allah that He had made Iranians a zinda (alive) nation. Nations who have qaumi ghairat (national pride) and qaumi jazba (national passion) do not fear anyone but Allah. The Iranians’ election of Ahmadinejad, son of a poor family, has caused the Americans to tremble. The truth is that American dollars cannot buy the iman (faith) of the Iranians. The rich are only concerned with amassing wealth wherever they might be. The way Ahmadinejad is now challenging the Americans encourages the poor and downtrodden people of the world while scaring the buzdil (cowardly) and greedy people of the world. What Israel will annex Speaking to Khabrain magazine, Dr Israr Ahmad said that the Arabs were the most incompetent people as a punishment of which Greater Israel will annex their land. All of Iraq will fall to Israel, as will Jordan and Lebanon. The fertile delta of Egypt will also be taken, as will be Saudi Arabia’s Hijaz, except Madina which Allah will protect. biggrin.gif Southern Turkey too will be annexed. After that Imam Mehdi will appear. Quran desecrated in Raiwind According to Khabrain some miscreant threw a copy of the Quran in the toilet of an Ahle Hadith mosque near the Tablighi Jamaat headquarters in Raiwind near Lahore. When the clerics raised hue and cry, the population of the area came out and staged a protest. A large number of people blocked traffic and threatened the travellers. The procession was in extreme agony over the desecration and beat their chests and damaged property. According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, the protest spilled into a second day and this time, the offended population stopped trains and stoned the passengers who got hurt. They also stoned the cars passing on the Raiwind road. One police officer who had gone to stop the vandalism was so scared that he joined the protest and raised slogans along with the protesters. The procession was greatly strengthened when the MMA gave a call and got its followers to join it. According to the daily Pakistan, the Khyber Mail was stopped for one hour. Its windows were broken and many passengers injured.
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India gets the seminaries Writing in the Jang, Javed Chaudhry stated that while Pakistan was being forced to expel foreign students from its madrassas, India was building more of them on the basis of interest-free loans to whoever wanted to build them. Till 2002, India had 911 madrassas and 1223 foreigners were studying there. Any foreigner had to pay Rs 2100 to get admission there. After that, in three years, India built 2,500 new madrassas where one lakh foreigners were being educated. Only Iran had sent 50,000 seminarians there. It is on the basis of these madrassas that India had asked to be admitted to the OIC
Is this true????

Posted by: Mudy Sep 1 2005, 12:04 PM

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page1.shtml

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Najam Sethi's E d i t o r i a l -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- r Shaukat Aziz has been prime minister of Pakistan for one year. If he can survive the vicissitudes of Pakistani politics for another, he might well set some sort of record. But the fortune tellers and astrologers are not taking any bets. Ambitious rivals are nibbling at his coattails. Even the generals who once glibly talked him up are now muttering “what’s he done, except for the economy”, as if that were not achievement enough. But will Mr Aziz confound them all? There are two images of Shaukat Aziz that are implanted on the public imagination. These tell his past story, explain his current predicament, and outline his future dilemma. One is a solitary picture of the day 15 months ago when he sat apprehensively, hands folded in his lap, amidst a gathering lorded over by Chaudhry Shujaat and Zafarullah Jamali when “they” announced that Mr Jamali was exiting as PM, Chaudhry Shujaat was entering as PM-in-transition and Shaukat Aziz was lining up as PM-in-waiting. The second is a frequent and rather revealing photo: it shows Mr Aziz, in an immaculate suit and tie, impassively sitting beside General President Pervez Musharraf who is in full commando regalia, “jointly presiding” over cabinet meetings. If ever a Pakistani prime minister was a holder of office rather than a practitioner of power , this picture says it all. General Musharraf is Chairman, Chief Executive and Managing Director, while Mr Aziz has the distinction of being promoted from CFO to GM, of Pakistan Inc. A comparison with Mr Moeen Qureshi, another military-import who served as prime minister for three months in 1994, is instructive. Both gentlemen are suave, urbane, Westernized, with similar “moneyed” interests and antecedents, but without a public constituency in Pakistan. Both have made and kept their fortunes abroad, which reflects on their “commitment” to Pakistan. But it was Mr Qureshi who first articulated the concepts of “good governance” and “accountability”, which have come to dominate the discourse of the last decade even though they have since been irredeemably corrupted. He exuded authority and charisma when he was briefly PM but became a political non-entity after he returned to his “American homeland”. In contrast, Mr Aziz is burdened by the fate of his elected predecessors (including Mr Jamali who, after he was sworn in as PM, was adamant that he would escape that fate because he wouldn’t rub up “the boss” the wrong way), all of whom were shoved out of office by the generals. Mr Aziz also has to abide with the hybrid political system constructed by the same boss in which party political leaders, chief ministers and corps commanders are the true lynchpins. Nonetheless, Mr Aziz has coped with his inherited handicaps well. A double Ph.D. in PR, his bright, charming, reasoned, unruffled and unpretentious demeanour has served to protect him from pretenders and backstabbers. He is not corrupt or arrogant, which means the press cannot lay its grubby hands on him even when it is mishandled by his minions. The economy under his captaincy has bounced back into life but there is nothing he can do about its embedded political constraints. His globetrotting is aimed at projecting a sober and reasonable image of Pakistan but his persuasiveness is constantly throttled by the reality of our murky past and the lingering fear of an uncertain future under the one-party leadership of the Pakistan military. He knows more about IR and globalization than the advisors thrust upon him but he knows even better that his writ to innovate and outreach is hamstrung by the civil-military establishment’s political contingencies. That is why his statements at home and abroad faithfully echo the entrenched opportunism of his boss rather than illuminate any new path to rediscovery and reform. Mr Aziz’s future is uncertain in Pakistan. His fate is inextricably linked to that of General Musharraf. If the General were to go for one reason or another through fate or miscalculation, Mr Aziz would follow suit in the blink of an eye (you can’t say that for anyone else in the Muslim League). But even if General Musharraf were to survive and entrench himself, there is no guarantee that Mr Aziz would be lucky enough to share the limelight. He could be felled by a scandal or be shed as excess baggage because of political necessity in the run up to the 2007 elections. After all, there can be only so much goodwill for a competent person without a home constituency or party to call his own. Certainly, the more General Musharraf opens up “democratic” space, the more he will be compelled to share it with the “incompetent representatives of the people” and the less there will be to fork over to brilliant “technocrats”, “outsiders” and PR persons. Whether he weathers Pakistan or not, one thing is clear: Mr Aziz’s future abroad will be brighter than ever. His Teflon-coated CV will list him as an “elected prime minister of Pakistan” without any ifs and buts. That is no mean achievement in a country that is notorious for rubbishing its prime ministers.

Posted by: RaoC Sep 1 2005, 02:31 PM

QUOTE(Mudy @ Sep 2 2005, 12:34 AM)
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page1.shtml
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Najam Sethi's E d i t o r i a l -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- r Shaukat Aziz has been prime minister of Pakistan for one year. If he can survive the vicissitudes of Pakistani politics for another, he might well set some sort of record. But the fortune tellers and astrologers are not taking any bets. Ambitious rivals are nibbling at his coattails. Even the generals who once glibly talked him up are now muttering “what’s he done, except for the economy”, as if that were not achievement enough. But will Mr Aziz confound them all? There are two images of Shaukat Aziz that are implanted on the public imagination. These tell his past story, explain his current predicament, and outline his future dilemma. One is a solitary picture of the day 15 months ago when he sat apprehensively, hands folded in his lap, amidst a gathering lorded over by Chaudhry Shujaat and Zafarullah Jamali when “they” announced that Mr Jamali was exiting as PM, Chaudhry Shujaat was entering as PM-in-transition and Shaukat Aziz was lining up as PM-in-waiting. The second is a frequent and rather revealing photo: it shows Mr Aziz, in an immaculate suit and tie, impassively sitting beside General President Pervez Musharraf who is in full commando regalia, “jointly presiding” over cabinet meetings. If ever a Pakistani prime minister was a holder of office rather than a practitioner of power , this picture says it all. General Musharraf is Chairman, Chief Executive and Managing Director, while Mr Aziz has the distinction of being promoted from CFO to GM, of Pakistan Inc. A comparison with Mr Moeen Qureshi, another military-import who served as prime minister for three months in 1994, is instructive. Both gentlemen are suave, urbane, Westernized, with similar “moneyed” interests and antecedents, but without a public constituency in Pakistan. Both have made and kept their fortunes abroad, which reflects on their “commitment” to Pakistan. But it was Mr Qureshi who first articulated the concepts of “good governance” and “accountability”, which have come to dominate the discourse of the last decade even though they have since been irredeemably corrupted. He exuded authority and charisma when he was briefly PM but became a political non-entity after he returned to his “American homeland”. In contrast, Mr Aziz is burdened by the fate of his elected predecessors (including Mr Jamali who, after he was sworn in as PM, was adamant that he would escape that fate because he wouldn’t rub up “the boss” the wrong way), all of whom were shoved out of office by the generals. Mr Aziz also has to abide with the hybrid political system constructed by the same boss in which party political leaders, chief ministers and corps commanders are the true lynchpins. Nonetheless, Mr Aziz has coped with his inherited handicaps well. A double Ph.D. in PR, his bright, charming, reasoned, unruffled and unpretentious demeanour has served to protect him from pretenders and backstabbers. He is not corrupt or arrogant, which means the press cannot lay its grubby hands on him even when it is mishandled by his minions. The economy under his captaincy has bounced back into life but there is nothing he can do about its embedded political constraints. His globetrotting is aimed at projecting a sober and reasonable image of Pakistan but his persuasiveness is constantly throttled by the reality of our murky past and the lingering fear of an uncertain future under the one-party leadership of the Pakistan military. He knows more about IR and globalization than the advisors thrust upon him but he knows even better that his writ to innovate and outreach is hamstrung by the civil-military establishment’s political contingencies. That is why his statements at home and abroad faithfully echo the entrenched opportunism of his boss rather than illuminate any new path to rediscovery and reform. Mr Aziz’s future is uncertain in Pakistan. His fate is inextricably linked to that of General Musharraf. If the General were to go for one reason or another through fate or miscalculation, Mr Aziz would follow suit in the blink of an eye (you can’t say that for anyone else in the Muslim League). But even if General Musharraf were to survive and entrench himself, there is no guarantee that Mr Aziz would be lucky enough to share the limelight. He could be felled by a scandal or be shed as excess baggage because of political necessity in the run up to the 2007 elections. After all, there can be only so much goodwill for a competent person without a home constituency or party to call his own. Certainly, the more General Musharraf opens up “democratic” space, the more he will be compelled to share it with the “incompetent representatives of the people” and the less there will be to fork over to brilliant “technocrats”, “outsiders” and PR persons. Whether he weathers Pakistan or not, one thing is clear: Mr Aziz’s future abroad will be brighter than ever. His Teflon-coated CV will list him as an “elected prime minister of Pakistan” without any ifs and buts. That is no mean achievement in a country that is notorious for rubbishing its prime ministers.
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Posted by: RaoC Sep 1 2005, 02:40 PM

It is clear that war-mongering pakkis are bent on using arms-race and their hate-mongering foot-soldiers inside India to drain our economy and keep riots and violence going year after, decade after decade. For many centuries after uslim invasion, we have lost our lands, women's honor, our lives and even basic right to live [considering 10 deaths for the remarks of JERRY FALWELL and many riotous violence like in Godhra, Marad, buses, trains, temples, ..etc.] and right to worship as our way of life [as we are lynched during Ganesh or Hanuman street festivities]. PLEASE READ ON AS TO WHAT EVEN MUSLIMS FEEL ABOUT OUR CONDITION- All Comments on Indic Culture in a Metaphysical Framework Posted by Munir.Akram on Sep 1, 2005 IBSM'S NOTES ARE PART OF "The Rise Of Legitimate Resistance" IN THE VEDIC SOCIETY'S LIBERATION STRUGGLE TOWARDS AUTONOMY, INDEPENDENCE AND SELF-RULE. IBSM HAS THE FULL RIGHT TO USE WHATEVER NAME HE WANTS. IT IS A TRIVIAL ISSUE WHEN THERE ARE MANY OTHER GRAVE AND HOT BUTTON ISSUES THAT NEED URGENT ATTENTION, SOME OF WHICH ARE:= /////////How 'kill Advani, Bal' plan fell through at Dawood's den (this article may now be available in the Daily Pioneer archive of March 12, 2005) FALLOUT FEAR FORCED TERROR HONCHOS TO OPT FOR MUMBAI BLASTS INSTEAD--- The Supreme Court may have upheld the stay on a film depicting "the true story" of the biggest ever terror attack on Mumbai on March 12, 1993, but the book Black Friday, on which the film is based, has made startling revelations about a pan-Islamic conspiracy to trigger a bloodbath in India by assassinating Advani and Thackeray. ‘Advani and Bal can be killed by just one handshake or one garland.’ As the megapolis completed 12 years of surviving the serial blasts, jinxed film-maker Anurag Kashyap was battling to show how the people behind the explosions were not just D-company but the entire fundamentalist Muslim world for whom avenging Babri Masjid was just a ploy to achieve another aim - intimidating a 'non-believing' nation into subjugation. ---------------------- ///////'Secular' assault on democracy (this article may now be available in the Daily Pioneer archive of March 04, 2005) The Congress has a long history of subverting democracy and the Constitution. Sonia has the added disadvantage of not being able to understand the Indian mind, our deep democratic traditions and an almost obsessive passion for fair play. Nor did she anticipate the instantaneous reproach of the media to the Jharkhand episode. She had tasted blood in Goa, and concluded that in the name of secularism, murder was passé. And this was the height of Sonia's glory. An alert NDA leadership and an equally active media successfully exposed the Congress' greed. ////////When 'Musharraf' and 'Benazir' cross borders Indo-Asian News Service Bhuj (Gujarat), August 30, 2005 A camel was caught while it was being used to ferry RDX explosives from Pakistan to India in 2000 near the Pachcham area of Kutch district. Three riders who were with the camel escaped. The camel had 24 kg of explosives strapped to it. The camel has been nicknamed 'Musharraf' after the Pakistan president. After bringing 'Musharraf' to a court, a suit was filed against his supposed owner for trafficking explosives. ----------- ///////Deport criminals: India tells Pakistan August 29, 2005 14:11 IST Home Secretary V K Duggal said he will request his Pakistani counterpart for deportation of all wanted people from their soil so that they could face trial. India would raise the demand of handing over terrorists and criminals including Dawood Ibrahim from Pakistan. Dawood is wanted in India in connection with the 1993 serial blasts in Mumbai and other serious crimes. ------------ ///////// Azharuddin August 30, 2005 23:06 IST Last Updated: August 31, 2005 00:45 IST Azhar has been provided security cover by the Hyderabad police after he allegedly received threatening calls. Four personal security officers (PSOs) have been deputed to guard to the former skipper. [TAX-PAYERS' MONEY FOR A KNOWN CROOK]. ----------- ////////// RSS opposes quotas for SC converts - By PTI 7:06 AM 3/13/2005 Mangalore, March 13: Harping again on the proselytising issue, the RSS on Sunday said it was against quotas for Scheduled Caste converts as these "crypto-Christians" would reap the benefits meant for SCs and amount to giving reservations on the basis of religion. If their demand was conceded, it would render "great injustice to SCs, as a larger share of the benefit for which they were rightfully entitled would be grabbed by the converts," a resolution on the concluding day of annual conclave of the RSS Akhil Bharat Pratinidhi Sabha said. Another serious implication would be a steep rise in religious conversions among SCs, since it would remove a major obstacle for foreign funded missionaries, who were engaged in religious conversions "by hook or crook," the resolution said. ----------- /////////// Attempt to attack Mata Amritanandamayi foiled Sunday, 21 August , 2005, 22:20 Kollam: An attempt by a man to attack spiritual leader Mata Amritanandamayi at her Vallikavu Ashram near here was foiled by the ashram inmates on Sunday evening. The inmates of the ashram prevented the man armed with a knife as he sought to climb up to the podium where the Mata was conducting bhajan, Mutt sources said. -------- ////////She apologised. They gang raped her anyway. haven for gang rape victim Jun 23, 2005 By Asian Pacific News Service On a scorching June day three years ago in the village of Meerwala, which is a 12-hour drive southeast from Pakistan‘s capital of Islamabad, 14 men in a darkened room volunteered to gang rape Mukhtaran Mai. Mai, the unmarried 30-year-old daughter of a family deemed “low-caste“ was then ordered to walk home naked before hundreds of villagers who were dancing with joy. She had to kill herself to avoid further shame to her family. After all, the local tribal elders decreed, a girl in the next village was gang-raped around the same time and she took the traditional route: she swallowed a bottle of pesticide and dropped dead. --------------- /////////Bihar gangster who abducted, married Kanchan Mishra arrested Press Trust of India Posted online: Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 1645 hours IST Siwan, May 3: Police on Saturday arrested one of Bihar's most wanted criminal and contract killer Sultan Mian and rescued Kanchan Mishra, whom he allegedly abducted and married forcibly, from Siwan town. The main accused in last year's killing of a Patna-based businessman Manoj Kamalia, Sultan was wanted in several cases of murder, loot and kidnapping. -------- ////IMAM RAJ//////Muslim panel to reply on fatwas - By Venkat Parsa New Delhi, Aug. 28: The All-India Muslim Personal Law Board on Sunday set up a six-member committee to frame its response to Supreme Court notice on August 16 on setting up of Shariat courts. The Muslim Personal Law Board has not yet received the Supreme Court notice but has decided to meet and formulate its response on the basis of media reports. -------- Love story a la Bollywood Nabanita Sircar London, August 26, 2005 Nabilah Arshad claims her strictly Muslim family cannot accept her being with Anil Kumar, 20, who has a Sikh background. After receiving threats, the pair fled home last week. In a six-month relationship, the Glasgow couple vowed to remain together and plan to marry - with or without family blessing. Nabilah says her family threatened her when they discovered she was seeing Anil in secret. She said: "I was told my legs would be broken and Anil would be shot." They had to flee for their safety, she said. -------- Mysterious death of a young woman in Hyderabad underscores the need to reform the entire concept of safe houses By Zulfiqar Shah On the morning of August 14, Edhi Centre in Hyderabad received an emergency call from the Dar-ul-Aman asking for an ambulance. A couple of hours later, the centre received another call from the Dar-ul-Aman administration, this time asking for the burial of an unclaimed dead body -- of the girl who had been shifted to the hospital a few hours earlier. Edhi volunteers found a chit of paper on the body which read: "This is not a suicide or accident but a murder. All the girls at Dar-ul-Aman will meet Kanwal's fate." The volunteers immediately informed the police. Kanwal was reportedly smuggled to Pakistan from India ...and belonged to Delhi ... --------- Islamic militants force Friday market closure in south Thailand BANGKOK : Heeding to threats from Islamic militants to observe closure on Fridays, frightened shopkeepers in Thailand's Muslim-majority southern border region abstained from business. Yesterday's trading halt marked the fourth consecutive week that business establishments in the troubled region closed down ...a resurgence of separatist violence has claimed over 800 lives since January 2004. ----------- ////////European countries considering tougher anti-terrorism measures are increasingly looking to France for an example SINCE the London bombings, all European governments have been re-evaluating their counter-terrorism strategies. Many have been studying France, which has both experience of Islamist terrorism and a reputation for toughness. It is also now recognised that terrorist recruitment may no longer take place in official places of worship, but rather in private apartments, Islamic bookshops, fast-food joints, even rural retreats. ------------- KEEP UP THE VEDIC LIBERATION MOVEMENT! BOYCOTT FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE! STOP IN-FIGHTING!!! Indic Culture in a Metaphysical Framework | Incessant Gyrations of a Restless Mind | Post Your Posted by Fareena Raza on Sep 1, 2005 http://www.sulekha.com/expressions/columncomments.asp?cid=306020 Rudra-ji, In their bid to be civil and civilised, those of Hindu faith and those in BJP/VHP/RSS ..that "want Hinduism to be represented in good light by a group on religious tolerance," have been putting up with wide-spread and frequent savage violence for over eight centuries. It is time to say "enough is enough," as IBSM does often. If I were in the shoes of IBSM, I'd be offended and can’t take your domination, "in all earnestness in the right spirit." I feel Hindus have accepted enough domination for very many centuries, anyways. IBSM, Keep "your handle here on Sulekha, it is the minority that "sends a very negative message about (their) religious tolerance." Don't take minority have "any good intentions," either, because their conversion spree constitutes major intolerance. Mr Hugo Chevez is taking legal action against Robertson who was dangerously vile against him. ###"Venezuela Wants Pat Robertson CARACAS, Venezuela, Aug. 29, 2005 The Rev. Jesse Jackson (left) embraces President Hugo Chavez (right) in Caracas. Jackson says Pat Robertson's call for Chavez' assassination was "a criminal act." (AP) "We could offer him free psychiatric treatment ... but he could be a lost case." Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, on possibly asking the U.S. to extradite Pat Robertson to Venezuela" Given this, VHP, BJP... should be taking legal action against those who caused ten deaths in India (NOT in any of 60+ islamist nations) for the foul remarks of another christian, Jerry Falwell. Did the families of those Indian victims of religious (muslim) hatred and intolerance get any sort of compensation? How about those *often* stoned by savage muslims during Ganesh ceremonies? - javascript:emoticon(':mad') smilie

Posted by: Naresh Sep 1 2005, 02:58 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4206708.stmpakee.gif A video of a man claiming to be one of the four bombers behind the 7 July Tube attacks which killed 52 people has been shown on Arab TV. The man, who said he was Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, talked about his motives on a tape on al-Jazeera. Khan said the UK government had committed atrocities against Muslims and he hailed Osama Bin Laden. In a second video, al-Qaeda's Ayman al-Zawahiri claimed responsibility for the blasts and threatened new attacks. Public blamed The eldest of the four bombers, Khan was responsible for the Edgware Road Circle Line explosion which killed six people and injured 120. On the tape, the man says bombings in London and in Madrid were the fault of "Western citizens" and the public should no longer feel safe as they would be targeted again. He said: "Our words are dead until we give them life with our blood. I and thousands like me have forsaken everything for what we believe." He said the public was responsible for the atrocities perpetuated against his "people" across the world because they supported democratically elected governments who carried them out. "Until we feel security, you will be our targets," he said. "Until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight. "We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation." 'Enemy's land' In a separate recording, al-Zawahri said the Tube attacks were a "slap" to the policies of Prime Minister Tony Blair. Speaking in Arabic, he said the bombings were proof al-Qaeda had moved the battle to "the enemy's land". Scotland Yard has confirmed it is aware of the tape. The Foreign Office has said it will not comment on any aspects of the video. A relative of one of those killed in the London attacks has said it was no surprise al-Qaeda appeared to be claiming responsibility. Chris Agwu, a cousin of Ojara Ikeagwu, who died in the King's Cross bomb said: "I had that suspicion anyway." Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Sep 1 2005, 11:06 PM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1478594,000500020000.htm

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Pakistan has appointed a Hindu, Justice Rana Bhagwandas, as the acting chief justice of the Supreme Court, though for a short period. Justice Bhagwandas will take oath as acting chief justice of Pakistan on Friday at the Sindh bench of the Supreme Court in Karachi. The appointment comes as Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry is leaving for China on a 10-day visit. Justice Bhagwandas is the senior most judge in the Supreme Court after the chief justice. ..................

Posted by: Naresh Sep 2 2005, 12:30 AM

http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/02/top15.htm Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Sep 2 2005, 09:42 AM

Is Hiz Tahrir is same hardline group, who are very actively involved in UK jihad preaching?

Posted by: Naresh Sep 2 2005, 04:33 PM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_3-9-2005_pg7_29

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ISLAMABAD: According to the data provided to the National Assembly on Tuesday, approximately 139,000 Pakistanis have been deported from 47 countries, including the United States, European Union and Arab countries, during the last two years. According to a Foreign Office document, the deportations were due to illegal entry, overstaying the stipulated period of visa and work permits, destitution and deportation after investigation and completion of sentences awarded by courts on account of various crimes. The possession of invalid and forged documents and illegally working without sponsors were also enlisted as reasons behind the deportations. The documents showed that most Pakistanis were expelled from the Middle Eastern countries, including Saudi Arabia (51,195), the United Arab Emirates (32,503), Oman (20,388) and Iran (15, 849). According to a country-wise break-up, 50 Pakistanis were deported from Bahrain, 507 from Kuwait, 200 from Qatar, 82 from Yemen, 22 from Jordan, 12 from Iraq, 33 from Syria, 45 from Egypt, 3 from Nepal, 403 from Sri Lanka, 370 from Libya, 1,727 from South Africa, 1 from Nigeria, 7 from Kenya, 24 from Morocco, 5 from Mauritius, 3 from Sudan, 10 from Zimbabwe, 4 from Zambia, 49 from Switzerland, 22 from France, 7 from Austria, 2 from Slovakia, 4 from Romania, 39 from Poland, 125 from Canada, 13530 from Turkey, 21 from Denmark, 25 from Lithuania, 27 from Sweden, 45 from the Russian Federation, 26 from Norway, 13 from Serbia and Montenegro, 39 from Spain, 75 from the Netherlands, 12 from Italy, 261 from Cyprus, 46 from Belgium, 575 from Afghanistan, 34 from Australia and 1 from New Zealand.
Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Sep 2 2005, 08:16 PM

Why no mention of India in this list?

Posted by: Naresh Sep 3 2005, 12:14 AM

Mudy Ji : India continues to harbour 40 Million Illegal Muslim Bangladeshi Immigrant and possibly another 20 Million Illegal Muslim Pakistani Immigrants and has to date not deported this filth in any significant numbers - at least not to my knowledge. The Kriminal Kongress Kamunist Klan is only think of votes today whereas their , along with India's - furture is doomed if they do not start getting rid of this "canker". Cheers

Posted by: Naresh Sep 3 2005, 02:53 AM

http://www.satribune.com/archives/200509/P1_butt.htm Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: SSridhar Sep 3 2005, 08:57 AM

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Mudy, Is Hiz Tahrir is same hardline group, who are very actively involved in UK jihad preaching?
Yes, indeed. They are also active in the CAR countries presumably doing Tablighi work. Their work is exactly the same as what Khaled Ahmed has written about in the latest Friday Times on how suicide bombers are "manufactured". Here is my brief tracker on HuT HuT (Hizb-ul-Tahrir, "Freedom Party") Banned in TSP Nov 2003 Amir - Naveed Butt Birmingham-based Pakistani outfit. Has its roots in the Middle East since 1950s (mainly Palestenians) Advocates Khilafa (Caliphate) and "pure Islam". Many of its cadres were arrested in Uzbekistan on suspected involvement in July, 30, 2004 attacks on Israeli and US embassies.

Posted by: Naresh Sep 3 2005, 04:41 PM

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/sep2005-daily/04-09-2005/metro/k1.htm KARACHI: India has the capability of demolishing Pakistan’s air power within two to three weeks. The American scholar Dr Rodney Jones observed this in a presentation on ‘Conventional Military Imbalance and Strategic Stability in South Asia’ at the Area Study Centre for Europe (ASCE) of the University of Karachi on Saturday. Describing the stark disparity between the two countries in the fields of air and ground forces, naval fleets, military service personnel, warning aircraft, defence expenditures, etc. through charts and tables on a slide he said that Indian defence expenditures, including the expenditures on atomic energy, space and paramilitary amount to $20b. While in the case of Pakistan its defence expenditures estimated to be $4b. The Indian-Pakistan discrepancy ratio based on these figures is 5:1, Mr Jones pointed out. On the other hand, China’ defence expenditures, in terms of level of weapons as, according to Dr Jones, they don’t publish figures, are estimated to be around $80 to 90b. On the comparison of the naval fleets of the two countries (1980-2004) he said India ‘s blue water navy fleet is greatly expanding and Pakistan’s is shrinking, "which", as he pointed out, "is not a good sign." He however made it clear that neither India nor Pakistan was close to using N-weapons in the Kargil situation as it developed though India was prepared to expand the war. Referring to the cross border firing between the two nuclear neighbours in South Asia, he said, US and Russia, the two nuclear powers, competed all over the world but, unlike India and Pakistan, they never fired at each other. Generally, nuclear capability acts as a deterrent but the "dilemma in South Asia is that this deterrence has not stopped India from experimenting conventional weapons," observed Mr Jones who has written extensively on nuclear and security issues particularly in the context of South Asia. In response to the question from a participant who asked about what were the policy options available for a weaker nation against a vigour nation, Mr Jones advocated economic stability along with other measures. "The best option for both is to settle the core issue and shift human capital to other areas", he concluded. Dr Rodney Jones is President of Policy Architects International, a consulting firm in Virginia that conducts research on international security, Asian development and strategic issues. He has also served as Senior Advisor to the Moscow Centre of the START II project of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Earlier Director ASCE Dr Naveed Ahmad Tahir giving the background of the topic said that September 11 and the ensuing war on terror have added more complications to an already complicated scenario in South Asia. And the presence of nuclear weapons, she indicated, is not an insurance against the outbreak of a conventional military conflict with the potential of turning into a nuclear showdown. A significant recent development with regard to the strategic situation in South Asia is the recent Indo-US defence agreement, which has formalized the strategic partnership between the two countries, she said. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Sep 3 2005, 05:19 PM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1481130,000900010001.htm

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A Pakistan national was shot dead by BSF personnel while trying to sneak into Indian territory near the Wagah border, police said on Saturday. The Pakistani was shot dead when he did not respond to the repeated warnings issued by BSF near police station Gharinda. Meanwhile, a case has been registered under the Foreign Passport Act against the intruder.
Why Pakis are coming to Hindu land? Pakistan is 1000 times better than India.

Posted by: acharya Sep 6 2005, 11:07 PM

Pakistan and the League Sir: In my opinion Chaudhry Rahmat Ali’s ‘Pakstan’ had caught the imagination of the masses several years before the Muslim League adopted it. An example of this was the pamphlet, Confederacy of India written by ‘a Punjabi’. ‘A Punjabi’, later revealed to be Mian Kifayet Ali, wanted to name his pamphlet ‘Pakstan’ but the Muslim League president had advised him to change the title. The Muslim League’s Lahore Resolution, authored by Sir Zafrullah Khan, had little in common with Rahmat Ali’s pamphlet. In fact, the Lahore Resolution was vague and was left open to wide ranging interpretations. For example, in April 1940, II Chundrigar told HV Hodson, the Reforms commissioner, that the object of the Lahore Resolution was not to create ‘Ulsters’ but to achieve ‘two nations ... welded into united India on the basis of equality’. In 1936, Halide Edib, a Turkish author, wrote her famous book Inside India, which discussed the communal problem in India in some detail. The author has dedicated an entire chapter to Rahmat Ali’s ‘Pakistan demand’ and includes an interview with him. The Muslim League is mentioned in the passing as a platform for notable Muslims, which according to the writer, was being reorganised by Jinnah and Khaliquzzaman as a progressive Muslim party in support of the Congress. YASSER LATIF HAMDANI Lahore

Posted by: Mudy Sep 8 2005, 01:21 PM

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http://www.thefridaytimes.com/page1.shtml "De-ideologise" Pakistan Najam Sethi's E d i t o r i a l Qazi Husain Ahmad of the Jamaat i Islami recently lambasted the Musharraf regime for opening a dialogue with Israel because “it is against the ideology of Pakistan”. Ideology of Pakistan? One might have drummed up tactical or strategic political reasons for not dialoguing with Israel at this time, but talking of the “ideology of Pakistan” in this context is nonsense. If a dialogue with Israel is taboo because Israel is in occupation of Palestinian lands (Muslim and Christian), then why isn’t the JI demanding that we break diplomatic ties with India which is in occupation of Muslim lands in Kashmir, with Russia which is in occupation of Muslim lands in Chechnya, with the US which is in occupation of Muslim lands in the Middle East, with Europe and Britain which allowed the Serbs to carry out genocide of Muslims in Bosnia, and so on? Indeed, the logic of his statement would lead to the complete rupture of Pakistan’s relations with all non-Muslim states and even with some non-ideological Muslim states. In short, this formulation would mock the very concept of the nation-state in a comity of nation-states that characterizes the global order. Even at the height of the Cold War – the battle between the ideologies of communism and capitalism – the ideological protagonists never succumbed to such absurd notions of state-craft. But Liaqat Baloch of the JI has gone one better than his boss. On September 6, Defence of Pakistan Day, he stood up in the national assembly, bemoaned military rule and shed tears for the long lost pristine constitution of 1973. He is a fine one to talk of such matters. The 1973 constitution was overthrown by General Zia ul Haq on the basis of an anti-government movement led by the JI in 1977. The JI then went on to join and strengthen Gen Zia’s regime. Similarly, the JI was a pillar of support to General Pervez Musharraf until 9/11. Indeed, the latest military mangling of the wretched 1973 constitution following the 2002 elections was solely due to the MMA’s “deal” with General Musharraf in 2003 whereby it legitimized him as president of Pakistan with extra-constitutional powers in exchange for two provincial governments and the slot of the leader of the opposition. Maulana Fazlur Rehman of the JUI-F and Maulana Sami ul Haq of the JUI-S have both been declared persona non grata in Europe. Why are we surprised and why are they indignant? Not a moment goes by when they’re not breathing fire and venom at the “Westernised infidels” and their “unholy values” and exhorting the faithful to rise and strike at the “Satanic powers”. These hypocrites want to exploit democratic freedoms to destroy the very democracies in which they breathe and live. Why should they be allowed to do this? If Maulana Sami ul Haq is still in love with the Taliban and Osama bin Laden, if he is still sheltering and supporting them, why should the Taliban-OBL hating West cosy up to him? If Maulana Fazlur Rahman still wants to be leader of the opposition in parliament, why does he refuse to sit in the National Security Council legitimized by an MMA-sponsored constitutional amendment in parliament? There was a time in the 1950s when the mullahs did not launch a single public demonstration or strike against “American imperialism” not because America was fighting the “Godless communism” of the USSR, but because America was also propping up Saudi Arabia, and both America and Saudi Arabia were funding the military and mullahs respectively in Pakistan. Much the same sort of thing happened in the 1980s when America and Saudi Arabia jointly funded the mullahs and military in Pakistan to organize the Mujahedin resistance to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. But when America lost interest in Afghanistan and Pakistan and the funding and jet fighters ran dry after the Cold War ended in 1989, the mullahs began to march on American consulates in Pakistan. Let us not forget that Ayatollah Khomeini’s fatwa on Salman Rushdie in 1990 followed a JI-inspired outcry against the author in Pakistan, followed by a violent mullah march on the US embassy in Islamabad in which several people were killed. The recent local elections have revealed the truth about the strengths and weaknesses of the mullahs. Without the Pakistani military backing them and without the Saudis and Libyans funding them – because the world has dramatically and radically changed after 9/11 and 7/7 the mullahs are a spent force. They have been wiped out by the secular MQM in Karachi and they have lost ground to the PML-Q, PPP, ANP and BNP in the NWFP and Balochistan. Even where they have managed to win seats, many of these have been scraped together on the basis of rather “unholy”, but pragmatic, political alliances – the JI with the PPP and the ANP with the JUI – rather than on the basis of religious or Pakistan ideology.

Posted by: Naresh Sep 11 2005, 04:05 PM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-9-2005_pg1_1 Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Mudy Sep 11 2005, 09:09 PM

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SUCH GUP Guest of Bill Gates Shazia Sikander, whose miniature artworks are part of the permanent collection at New York’s Metropolitan Museum of Modern Art, has an avid fan and collector in the world’s richest man, Bill Gates. Mr Gates recently bought two of Shazia’s paintings at an exhibition in New York and along with his wife Melinda invited the artist and her family to spend some time with them. Thus it was that Shazia’s parents, Azra and Sikander and her banker brother spent two days aboard the Gates’ 200ft luxury yacht Goygpus. Wolf in sheep’s clothing The World Bank’s new president Paul Wolfowitz came to Pakistan on a whirlwind tour recently. InLahore, he had the good fortune to meet one of Pakistan’s pioneering women’s rights activists, Nigar Ahmed. Ms Ahmed accompanied Mr Wolfowitz on his visit to a womens’ project. In the course of their conversation, Ms Ahmed cracked up Mr Wolfowitz by saying “At least the other wolf was in sheep’s clothing!” She was referring to Mr Wolfowitz’ predecessor, Jim Wolfensohn, who had the reputation of being a caring WorldBank President. Refund of funds Our mole stood patiently in the queue at the VAT reclaim counter at Heathrow airport recently, waiting for his paltry reclaim of £ 29 when he was stunned by what occurred before his very eyes. Standing in front of our mole was a well-heeled Pakistani gent who asked for a VAT reclaim of -- wait for it -- £ 36,000! No mistake with the zeros, dear reader, thirty six thousand pounds in VATreclaim! The gent was accompanied by two huge stevedore trolleys burgeoning with purchases and had two minions on hand to lug the trolleys around. Flabbergasted by the reclaim amount, the people behind the VAT counter said they would have to check the luggage. The gent stood aside and calmly said, “go ahead”. And who was this Croesus?None other than Big Ben’s Hubby. BTW, VAT reclaims are a small percentage (usually less than 5%) of the total amount spent. So how many pounds worth of shopping was it? Let’s not even go there.

Posted by: Mudy Sep 11 2005, 09:12 PM

Friday times.

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America’s generosity and Pakistan’s slavery Columnist Irfan Siddiqi wrote in the Nawa-e-Waqt that after a monsoon downpour of Indian concessions (nawazishat) an American spokesman laid the following drop of dew on our sizzling palm: that America will give Pakistan 3 billion dollars whose instalments will be yearly released upon the issuance of good behaviour (nek chalani) of Pakistan. What was the reason that after having our homes melted in the furnace of Bush’s famous crusade, our importance was still less than that of India?
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Umar Bakri and Hizb al-Tahrir According to the daily Pakistan, two British nationals Asif Hanif and Umar Khan of the UK staged suicide bombings in Tel Aviv, Israel. It was discovered that both worked for Al Muhajirun in the UK. The organisation was set up by one Umar Bakri who was born in Syria in 1958 but got his education from Al Azhar, after which he settled in Saudi Arabia but from where he was deported in 1986. Bakri shifted to the UK where he set up Al Muhajirun in 1996. But before that he set up the London branch of Hizb al-Tahrir. According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, Mr Bakri was resident in the UK as a handicapped person who had so far received £300,000 as social security and had recently been given a car by the government worth £31,000. He was faced with deportation under the new laws. Islam is downtrodden Columnist Irshad Haqqani continued his series of letters in the Jang complaining about the decline of the Muslims in the modern world. The latest letter by one Prof Muhammad Ashraf referred to the Darwinist theory of the survival of the fittest and linked it to the plight of the Muslims as a weak entity. He pointed out that being creative was important, which the UK was with its small population, but the Muslims had resources without being creative. He said Allah had promised ghalba (domination) to Islam but Muslims should make a clear distinction between themselves and Islam. Allah also made effort conditional to his pledge of domination. Children tortured at madrassa Reported in the Jang, a seminary in chak 248 near Faisalabad was found to be torturing the children admitted there to teach them the Quran. It was found that the children in the charge of the madrassa clerics were regularly beaten and burnt with live coals and steel wires and chimta. The chimta was heated and set on the private parts of the children. Eight children were found with marks of torture and burning on their bodies. The police registered a case against Hafiz Amirul Hassan Shah, Hafiz Kashif Imran, Hafiz Badar Munir and Maulana Muhammad Javed.

Posted by: Mudy Sep 13 2005, 06:48 PM

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What's cooking in New York? Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi Pullout from Siachen, J&K on the menu: Pak--- Is something cooking in New York where Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf is furiously stirring the Kashmir pot? The General's spin-masters have been putting out stories how the Americans are keen that there should be forward movement on Jammu & Kashmir and tremendous importance is being attached to Wednesday's dinner that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is hosting for Gen Musharraf. Curiously, Pakistan's Ambassador to Washington Jahangir Karamat told mediapersons that Wednesday's meeting could result in far more significant confidence building measures like withdrawal of troops from Siachen glacier to the pre-1974 positions and pullout of armed forces from Jammu & Kashmir. The spokesman of the Pakistani delegation, when asked if Gen Musharraf and Mr Singh would announce two important measures after their meeting regarding troops withdrawal from Siachen and Jammu & Kashmir said he couldn't "prejudge what the leadership has to declare". Soon after US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's 75-minute meeting with Gen Musharraf on Monday, Pakistani officials rushed to brief mediapersons about how the US is eager to "help out India and Pakistan in moving forward towards the resolution of the Kashmir issue". Monday's meeting was a prelude to Tuesday's one-on-one between US President George Bush and Gen Musharraf. The Pakistani delegation is going to town over what they claim to be a "major diplomatic coup" - that Gen Musharraf is one of the three heads of state whom President Bush will be meeting in New York; the other two countries accorded this "honour" are Russia and China. Gen Musharraf's meetings with President Bush and his Secretary of State precede his working dinner with Mr Singh on Wednesday. Gen Musharraf and his aides have already let it be known that he will focus on Jammu & Kashmir during his meeting with the Prime Minister. "Ms Rice told the President that the US is interested in helping out India and Pakistan in resolving their differences peacefully," Pakistan Foreign Minister Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri told newspersons in New York after Monday's meeting. He said the US has "affirmed its help" in the settlement of all outstanding issues, including the "important Kashmir issue". According to him, Ms Rice showed interest in the September 14 meeting between Gen Musharraf and Mr Singh. The Pakistan President is believed to have emphasised the need for the resolution of the Jammu & Kashmir issue. Ms Rice is said to have responded that she believed "this is an important issue".
Lets see extent of Madmohan blunder.

Posted by: aruni Sep 14 2005, 07:44 AM

Investors Business Daily Editorial: http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=2&issue=20050913&view=1

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Posted 9/13/2005 War On Terror: Pervez Musharraf is visiting Washington as part of an image-repair tour after a spate of bad press. Pakistani's president insists he's cracking down on terrorists. But his actions don't match his words. Even the CIA director has suggested the Pakistani leader may not be on the level. Responding to political pressure, Musharraf has vowed to send troops into his country's northern tribal belt to round up Islamic militants. But he's made such forays there before, only to declare the area free and clear of al-Qaida. It's time to put the screws to our "good partner" in the war on terror, and get him to explain how it is that: Yet another al-Qaida courier was able to drop off yet another threatening video tape unmolested in Islamabad, this one recorded by a most-wanted al-Qaida operative by the name of Azam the American, who warns of unrestrained attacks on Los Angeles. The same Azam is said to have found refuge inside Pakistan alongside Osama bin Laden and right-hand man Ayman al-Zawahiri and the rest of al-Qaida's inner circle for the past four years, while Musharraf continues to insist al-Qaida "does not exist" in Pakistan and that Afghanistan still harbors bin Laden. Al-Qaida managed to train at least one of the London bombers in Lahore, Pakistan, a fact British intelligence uncovered and Musharraf now reluctantly admits while still denying the existence of terror-training camps in his country and blaming Islamic terrorism on Western alienation of Muslims and oppression of Palestinians. Al-Qaida has trained new American recruits, including young Muslim men from California, in camps in Musharraf's backyard — recruits who used President Bush's picture as target practice and trained for the purpose of returning here and killing Americans. Taliban and al-Qaida fighters are launching attacks in Afghanistan from bases in Pakistan, killing hundreds of U.S. and Afghan troops, as well as officials tied to the Karzai regime. Musharraf still won't authorize U.S. forces in neighboring Afghanistan to carry out hot-pursuit operations into Pakistan to destroy enemy bases. The marauding Taleb and al-Qaida fighters have been found with new Pakistan-made phones and bomb detonators similar to those given them by Pakistan's military intelligence services before 9-11, and before the administration forged an alliance with them. U.S. journalists are not allowed access to the Pakistani-Afghan border region, and Pakistani officials have even barred their travel to the al-Qaida strongholds of Quetta and Peshawar. Factions of the Pakistani military had a role in providing North Korea with centrifuge machines to help it make fuel for nuclear weapons, something else Musharraf belatedly concedes as his regime enjoys a repeal of 15 years of nuclear sanctions. In public, all these disturbing developments have been met with silence from the White House. Though we can understand the diplomatic concerns of publicly berating an ally, nominal as it is, we can't accept the commander in chief continuing to gloss over them in private while pledging more aid and military exports for Islamabad. The unofficial line that we can't press the issue because pressure might topple the fragile Musharraf regime is wearing thin. If Musharraf is so weak that he can't even shut down terror camps in his backyard four years after 9-11, then it's time to change our conciliatory policy toward Pakistan, especially when that policy is based almost exclusively on fighting terror. Bush, who met with Musharraf Tuesday, talks about going on the offensive against terrorists. But if the terrorists are still being trained in Pakistan and still being exported from Pakistan to carry out attacks — in the heart of London and perhaps L.A. — shouldn't we be going on the offensive ourselves in Pakistan? If unilaterally sending U.S. troops into the northern badlands region of Pakistan to crush al-Qaida and Taleb bases is a nonstarter, then we need to at least start pulling back some carrots. The White House has tremendous leverage in Islamabad through the billions of dollars in economic aid and arms sales it's sending. If Bush isn't using that leverage to protect America, then what is he using it for? And knowing now that the London attacks were hatched by al-Qaida inside Pakistan, doesn't it stand to reason they may have been prevented had the West held Musharraf to a higher standard of accountability in fighting terror — closing down the terror groups and their camps and madrassas as promised — rather than just showering him with aid and F-16s and proclaiming fealty in our battle? And couldn't we safeguard another attack on America, perhaps saving Los Angeles, if we apply that pressure right now? After this White House visit, Musharraf should not return to Islamabad with more carrots in his pocket and a skip in his step. He should leave only with a stern warning and a powerful sense of urgency and purpose to do now what he should have done four years ago.

Posted by: Mudy Sep 14 2005, 08:23 AM

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The unofficial line that we can't press the issue because pressure might topple the fragile Musharraf regime is wearing thin
Mushy is blackmailing for so long and victims are suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Nothing will change this equation.

Posted by: Mudy Sep 14 2005, 02:37 PM

http://www.pakobserver.net/200509/14/news/topstories05.asp

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First is the nuclear arena. The timing of the Foreign Office announcement regarding Pakistan’s decision to request the US to provide it a similar nuclear assistance package as Washington agreed to ship to India in July. That said American decision may have the potential to damage the basic tenets of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation regime, it surely adds to India’s strategic clout in South Asia. Islamabad needs to counter this development by consistently emphasizing its direly needed energy requirements as well as commitment to abide by the IAEA safeguards on its peaceful nuclear facilities. Secondly, Islamabad must remain on course insofar as its radical step to initiate official contact with the Jewish entity is concerned. The President’s address to the Jewish American Congress would go a long way in improving Pakistan’s image in the pro-Israeli entities of the Western world. While linking the recognition of Israel with the creation of a viable Palestinian state, Islamabad needs to remain engaged with Tel Aviv—since it brings three concrete advantages for us: One, breaking the growing Indo-Israeli nexus, preventing New Delhi from solely exploiting the Jewish lobby’s politico-economic in the US, and putting an end to the Jewish-controlled Western media’s propaganda about the safety of Pakistan’s nuclear assets. Thirdly, on Kashmir, we need to sustain the current momentum of peace process with India. Something concrete must come out of today’s Musharraf-Manmohan meeting. It may be an agreement on Siachin, or India’s announcement of a limited troops reduction in Kashmir, or Pakistan’s assurance to involve Hizb-ul-Mujahideen on the same path of dialogue with the Indian leadership as is being pursued by the APHC. The two countries have already undertaken major steps to peacefully resolve Kashmir, a breakthrough over it, if it happens today, shall prove to be a catalyst for eventual Kashmiri settlement. What Islamabad would be required to pursue in the days to come, however, is to take the peace process further by continuing with its diplomatic offensive. Last but not the least, the Muslim world’s leadership position that we have already acquired within the context of the OIC, would have to be sustained more proactively in the run-up to the upcoming Islamic summit in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, which will give the final shape to restructuring of the Muslim world’s largest body in accordance with the President’s strategy of enlightened moderation.
Mushy grand plan is excellent. biggrin.gif Give me give me.....

Posted by: Mudy Sep 14 2005, 02:44 PM

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Mush's boo-boo ANI / New York Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf has said that women in Pakistan get themselves raped to get a visa to Canada and become a millionaire. "You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a moneymaking concern... a lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped," The Daily Times quoted Gen Musharraf as saying in an interview with The Washington Post. To a question about rape victim Mukhtar Mai, he said she was free to travel now, and that he had no regrets about slapping a ban on her to travel abroad. He said she had come "under the sway of organisations determined to harm Pakistan's image".
What? I am shocked. ohmy.gif How they will become millionaire? In that case all Pakistani women will march towards Canada.

Posted by: Mudy Sep 15 2005, 02:03 PM

Friday times.

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India questions Pakistan about Ibrahim-Miandad ‘union’ : M R Klasra Indians think the marriage goes against Pakistan's claims of trying to contain elements responsible for terrorist activities on Indian soil The latest spin on the twists and turns of India-Pakistan relations as the two countries try to move towards lasting peace is the marriage of underworld kingpin Dawood Ibrahim’s daughter to the son of cricket legend Javed Mianadad. So serious is this matter for India that the issue of the Ibrahim-Miandad union was raised and generated heated debate during the recent talks between the Interior Ministers of India and Pakistan who met last month to discuss drug trafficking, terrorism and the exchange of prisoners. An 11-member Pakistani delegation headed by Secretary Interior Syed Kamal Shah went to New Delhi and held talks from August 30-31, 2005. As far as the public was concerned, the talks resulted in the release of hundreds of Pakistani and Indian prisoners on September 12. However, a serious question that India raised during discussions was why Pakistan was endorsing the ‘union’ of Miandad with India’s most-wanted criminal. Sources privy to the meetings say the Indian side saw Pakistan’s ‘endorsement’ of the marriage as going against all of Pakistan’s claims about trying to contain elements responsible for terrorist activities on Indian soil. “The Indian officials saw the marriage as the ultimate insult that could be heaped on India by its neighbor when the two countries were eyeballing each other at the border,” a source privy to the discussions told TFT. Interestingly, Pakistan’s response to these questions was that it was itself a victim of terrorism. To back up this claim, the Pakistani side referred to the attempts on General Pervez Musharraf’s life in 2003 and the attack on Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz during his election campaign last year in which two dozens people were killed. To completely drive their point home, Pakistani officials pointed out that no Indian president or prime minister had suffered such attacks in the same time period. Pakistani officials said that the attacks on the president and prime minister of Pakistan clearly revealed who the “real victim” of terrorism was and pointed out that it was in Pakistan’s own interests to curb terrorist activities and groups. The interior secretaries from both sides then began exchanging lists of names of ‘wanted’ men residing in each country and wanted immediate extradition of criminals from both sides. A source privy to the meeting told TFT that the first name that came up during discussions on the repatriation of criminals was that of Dawood Ibrahim. In connection with the underworld don’s expatriation, the Indian officials also brought up the issue of the marriage of the daughter of Dawood Ibrahim to the son of Javed Miandad. “We never thought that the Indian side would question us about the marriage,” one of the foreign office officials present at the India-Pakistan meetings told TFT. “The Indian side actually sought long explanations about the issue and wanted to know why the Pakistani government was allowing the controversial marriage to take place despite the fact that they knew how sensitive India was about Dawood Ibarhim. The Indians were also ticked off by the fact the Pakistan government seemed to have no objection to a ‘union’ that would potentially affect the relationship between the two countries,” he added. The official said the Pakistani side was not sure whether Ibrahim’s daughter, who is an Indian national, had applied for Pakistani nationality. Elaborating on the government’s policy with regards to allowing an Indian girl to acquire Pakistani nationality particularly since the Indian side was raising objections to the marriage itself, the official said: “This was not something unusual; in the past many Indian girls have been given Pakistani nationality after marrying Pakistani citizens.” The official said that according to Pakistani law, it was not a problem for girls from other countries including India to get Pakistani nationalities after marrying Pakistani citizens. “If the wife of Junaid Miandad and the daughter of Dawood Ibrahim both apply for Pakistani citizenship, they would be granted citizenship without any delay,” said the official. ’. The official, however, also pointed out that India was peeved over the fact that Pakistan was treating this marriage as any ‘regular, everyday’ marriage. “This is the first time that a Pakistani citizen is marrying an Indian girl whose father is wanted in India for many crimes including bomb blasts in which hundreds of people lost their lives,” the Pakistan official said, quoting an Indian official. While the Indian side reiterated its demand that Pakistan hand over Ibrahim under the new arrangements being finalised between the two countries in relation to dealing with regional terrorism, Islamabad, for its part, denied that Ibrahim was even in Pakistan. While talks broke with developments on the prisoners’ issue, discussions on the issue of Ibrahim’s daughter’s marriage to Miandad’s son left both sides fuming. Another question that has come is that of Miandad’s personal ties with Ibrahim and whether he knows of Ibrahim’s whereabouts. “Close relatives are always a source of information and cross-checking,” said an observer. “Marriages in the sub-continent do not happen without the parents interacting. How about a phone call from Ibrahim to Miandad or vice versa? This is not information that should be kept from the ISI,” he added.

Posted by: Mudy Sep 15 2005, 02:08 PM

Nuggets from the Urdu press

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Namaz and corruption Writing in the Jang, columnist Abdul Qadir Hassan stated that one corrupt civil servant who kept a flowing beard was called in for inquiry into his cases of bribe-taking. The bearded civil servant entered the room of the inquiry officer and spread out the janamaz which he had brought with him and started praying. The prayer lasted through the office timings. He did that three or four times till the inquiry officer acquitted him of all charges. It was commonly believed that no one should break the namaz of a fellow-Muslim. Some ticket-less traveller in the railways also took up namaz to avoid being checked for tickets. The trick always worked. biggrin.gif Sheikh Rashid versus Hameed Gul According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, federal information minister Sheikh Rashid visited the depot of Waran Bus Service, owned by ex-ISI chief Hameed Gul’s daughter Uzma Gul. The bus service had come under adverse treatment from the Rawalpindi Cantonment authority where it was located. Sheikh Rashid said that the land of the depot belonged to the cantonment and he planned to build a government-run school for the girls of the cantonment. Uzma Gul said that she would lodge a complaint against the minister at the police station. What is happening?
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Tipu’s scions in poor condition According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, an 8th generation descendant of Tipu Sultan, Ali Ibrahim Saif, was pulling a rickshaw in Bombay with a monthly grant of Rs 61, given to him in 1950 by the Indian government. A princess of Tipu Sultan’s family, widow of prince Ghulam Muhammad, was allowed to come to Pakistan by Zia-ul-Haq and was given Pakistani nationality. Today, she lives in Karachi in the port locality of Mehmudabad. She had brought with her a personal letter and a dagger of Tipu Sultan, which was presented by her to the Karachi Museum; but it was discovered on inquiry in 1999 that the two items had been ‘given’ by the government to a company from the UK. Yahya Khan’s son versus Gohar Ayub Quoted in the Jang, Ali Yahya Khan stated that his father General Yahya Khan was chief of CDA in Islamabad but did not own an inch of land in the capital city. He said that Yahya Khan had asked Ayub Khan, the president, to hand power over to the Bengali speaker of the National Assembly but Ayub said he did not trust the Bengalis. Later, when Yahya Khan was president, he wanted to defend East Pakistan but air chief Rahim Khan betrayed him by refusing to send air force fighter-bomber planes to East Pakistan. He said that General Gul Hassan and air chief Rahim Khan were responsible for the fall of East Pakistan, not his father. He disclosed that Soviet planes had attacked the Pakistan army in East Pakistan but Yahya Khan’s request to be tried in an open court in Pakistan was never granted. In reply, Ayub Khan’s son Gohar Ayub stated that Yahya Khan took the wrong decisions in East Pakistan because he was constantly drunk and was playing around with women all the time. It was in fact Yahya Khan who said nothing doing to the suggestion that the speaker may be made caretaker prime minister. Gohar Ayub revealed that Yahya Khan’s elder brother Muhammad Ali, who was then deputy chief of the Intelligence Bureau, came to Ayub Khan and admitted that he had been sent by his brother. Ayub Khan told him to talk about a confederation with Mujib because the time for a federation was over. But Yahya Khan did not listen

Posted by: Naresh Sep 15 2005, 03:19 PM

Lotas’ Dream of Turkmenistani Gas might remain just that – A Dream http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/sep-2005/16/bnews5.php ASHGABAT (AFP) – Turkmenistan President Saparmurat Niyazov has opened a new gas compressor complex that will allow the former Soviet republic to substantially boost natural gas exports to Iran, Turkmen media said Thursday. The facility built by German and Iranian contractors at Korpedzh, near the border with Iran at a cost of 114 million euros (139 million dollars), “will allow an increase in the volume and reliability of gas deliveries” by pipeline to Iran, Niyazov said at a ceremony on Wednesday shown on national television. “Talks are under way with the Iranian side on increasing gas supplies” to Iran next year, Niyazov said. This year Turkmenistan is due to export five billion cubic metres of natural gas to Iran via a pipeline that runs from Korpedzh to Kurt Kui, in northern Iran, that opened in 1997. But that volume is well short of the eight billion cubic metres that the pipeline — which was 80-percent financed by Iran — was intended to carry. The pipeline is Turkmenistan’s only gas export pipeline that is not part of the ageing Soviet-era network. While Iran is considered to have massive potential to produce and export its own natural gas, its reserves are mainly in southern Iran, making imports from Turkmenistan a potentially convenient alternative for the north. Turkmenistan has also agreed to supply 36 billion cubic metres to Ukraine and four billion cubic metres to Russia this year, Turkmen officials said. The Central Asian state is thought to have among the largest natural gas reserves in the world. Cheers cheers.gifs

Posted by: Harshavardhan Sep 17 2005, 05:05 PM

Begging admin's indulgance for posting inline pics.. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=538&start=296 Musharraf: "But I am shpeeking trutj onlee" Special Coverage by special livestock corrispondant D. Desi Srivaman News Service New York, September 17 (NSN): In a stunning turn of events that took the Land of the Pure by barnstorm, an international axis of Yehudis and Yankees condemned Pakistan Presidentissimo General Mushy "Goat-e-Quote" Musharraf over comments allegedly made during an official visit to America. In response to a question regarding Pakistan's massive import of Canuck livestock lately, Musharraf was quoted in the influential Washington Post as saying "You muj to be being to understanding enwironment in Pakistan... This haj become a sexy-making concern onlee. Lot of TFTA males ij saying, if you do not want to be getting a broad and make love to opposite sex, then get yourself jhe goatj." user posted image ^ Above: President Musharraf doing sexy-making with a Goat, on the eve of his visit to America International Condemnation The goat comments were met with nods and a few "you said it!"s in some more enlightened quarters like the Saudi and Azerbaijani delegations but, bizzarely enough, utter shock in others. French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin reportedly vomited Pâté au Vin into the lap of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao following Musharraf's proclamation, who was quick to snatch with chopsticks some choice morsels. Meanwhile the Yindu delegation, sitting in short chairs in a darkened, narrow part of the room, tittered. The usual anti-Pakistani elements were quick to mobilize. Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin slammed Musharraf's comments. "S*** man, did you just friggin hear what he said??? Holy freakin God!!!", he sputterd to reporters in a press conference. "I mean.. sweet Jesus... Seriously!... What kind of f**ked up countr... I mean, Augh! That is so is so fu... ! I.. *shrudder* Yuck! Damn! YUCK! Damn! DAMN! Damn!!!..." He then degenerated into mumbled explicitives while holding his head in his hands and weeping in horror. It was a sentiment that was echoed throughout the world. Domestic Strife The statement also added fuel to an already smouldering political situation back home. "You see, babe!," yells Madame Shireen M Mazari, Director General Pakistan Institute of Strategic Studies, over the thumpity-thump of Lollywood-disco-remix-bhangra-rock music at Madam's hip Karachi nightclub Shere-e-Jalebi, where this reporter met her up. "Listen sexy-poo, Goat resentment is at an all time high in Pakistan. Some sections of the goat population have even become politically active!" she screamed in my ear, barely audible, as she, in step with the music, repeatedly thrusted her belly, bursting out of the the pink bodyskirt she wore, into my groin suggestively. "They are presenting a very real threat to the Presidency!" "Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!" She yelled, and abruptly stopped her vogueing to the thundering beat and threw herself crash down on the bar, giggling as she snorted lines of uncut Jalebi powder and shrieking as her eyes rolled back in extacy. And indeed, the next day thousands of Goats' rights activists took to the streets in all the major cities in organized protest to condemn Presidentissimo Great Leader's remarks and to demand action against Goat abuse. user posted image ^ Above: An angry Goat holds a placard and shouts anti-Musharraf-Goat-rape slogans during a rally in Karachi September 16, 2005. The demonstrations quickly turned violent when tens of thousands of strapping TFTA males, heeding frantic calls by Imams and pimps, descended on the rally. The entire grounds turned into a mele with the fur, dust and shalwaars flying everywhere and the sounds of street fighting and dung throwing downing out the pitiful, painful crys of "baaaa! baaaaaaouch!!!!! baaaaa!" as the brave Pakistanis had their way with the dissidants. The police, including the elite Karachi Krack Kammandu (KKK) force, performed heroically against the evil peaceful protests, charging straight into the crowd, fearless like lions, and often breaking rank and ignoring their own safety as they gloriously tackled stray goats left and right, discarding to the winds haraam condoms as the dust masked from this reporter's view the writhing struggle when the brave Pakistani Jawan and the goat became one Glorious One. Musharraf Unapologetic Musharraf hotly denied having committed any Goax pas. "Wat I ij saying is 400% accurate. Je Goats ij indeed maked love to by je Pakistani jawani! Now do not to be getting me wrong, rapej is wery wery bad ting! But remember, all je sexy-making we ij hawing with jhe goat http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=538&start=263! Musharraf than praised the TFTA males at the rally and granted battle honors to those brave army and paramilitary forces who dispersed and dispensed into the Goatly hordes during a brief ceremony outside Jacobabad Cantonment, where he was later the Guest of Honor at the age old Pakistani military ceremony called The Snogging of the Goat. Islamist parties have also jumped into the craze, organizing "carnation squads" of TFTA males to patrol the countryside, raiding barns and ranches suspected of harboring Goat dissidents, and dishing out justice with such great gusto that it has quickly become popular adage among the peasants here that "livestock walk on only three hoofs." The Start of Goat Militancy? Not all Goats have been deterred by the Pakistani crackdown on their cracks. Shortly after the mass protest fornications, a radical pro-Goat political group, All Parties Bakriaat Conference, issued a missive condemning Musharraf, the attacks and demanded justice and internationalization of the issue. "The (baaa) report by SarmilaaaBaaose is baaaaaaaakwaaas!", APBC supremo Syed Bakrlani said in a statement issued this morning. However, such sentiment is not going to placate the more hardline Goat groups, many of whom are now delving into militancy to secure their Goat-rights and self-determination. After a call to arms was raised in barns throughout the country, string of short circuit in air vacuum explosions at Halal butchershops in Quetta was claimed by the Pakistan Goat Liberation Front (PGLF). Shortly later, fidayeen from Lashkar-e-Bakri stormed a sheep farm outside Lahore, bludgeoning the guards to death with their own shearers and freeing their captives. The upsurge in goat violence has also been sectarian. Goat suicide bombers, suspected to be from the till now little-known militant group Harkat-ul-Jehad-al-Bakrini, smeared with shoe polish to blend in, infiltrated a donkey ranch in Rawalpindi and detonated themselves at the troughs during feeding time. Some of the most violent Goat militant groups have begun producing propaganda videos that have been clandestinely circulating throughout barns. The videos, often well produced, show Goat militants undergoing firearms training in camps, firey speeches from Goat leaders, and oftentimes interviews with Goat martyrs proclaiming the righteousness of their cause. user posted image ^ Above: A Goat shaheed delivers a fiery sermon in a video produced by the terrorist group Al Bakr. Yindian Hand in the Violence "The popular sentiment in Pakistan is that the Yindus have been fomenting the breakdown of law and order!," Madame Mazari shrilled at me before downing another Jalebi shot, the table rattling either from her slamming the shot down, or by the vibration of the heavy bass transmuted through the jiggling of her voluptuous rolls of belly, perched delicately atop the table's ledge like a flock of many celulitical parakeets. "The Indian agents likely infiltrated through the http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1232370.cms!" Pakistani intelligence agencies see India's nefarious Research and Analysis Wing behind the upsurge. "They ij trying to destabalize jhe rejime," Musharraf said to me during a one-on-one interview. "We have clajifiej inpharmachanj jat jhe Recharj anj Analeshij Wing ij shmuggling chekritt ajhanjh into Pakistan, where jhey hide amonchj jhe terrorijh goatj." The Goat bhisti in the room, clearly uncomfortable with the conversation, shuffled nervously. The Indian intelligence secret goat insertion and stashing operation, codenamed RAW-HIDE, Musharraf explained, is a gross act of cross-border terrorism, which India is the epicenter of. "We are to be taking jhe inpharmachanj to jhe hiejh lewals of gobarmant!", Musharraf exclaimed, levering himself up and overturning the tray of whiskey that the Goat bhisti offered to us, to the poor bhisti's great horror. General Musharraf, Kammandu instincts aroused, slapped the tray out of the bhisti's hooves. "Damn to you sh**t c**k m*******d!", he screamed, face turning red. "Jhat ij it! You ij to be getting shpanikinj!!", he roared, yanking the poor Goat by the tail in the direction of his plush private quarters while simultaneously disrobing. The Goat said nothing as he was dragged limply into the darkness behind the heavy teak door, but only looked weakly at this reporter with sad, sad eyes.[/quote]

Posted by: Shambhu Sep 17 2005, 08:13 PM

BTW, Harsh, the "Praise be to.." in arabic in the Al_Bakr screen capture is very well done too!! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Naresh Sep 18 2005, 07:00 AM

PERHAPS I ARRIVE http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_18-9-2005_pg3_4 I avoid flying certain airlines. The reasons are many but most have to do with passenger behaviour; yes, my fellow Pakistanis. Barring exceptions, and they prove the rule, we are an uncouth people privately as well as in civic terms. I knew even before I decided to fly to Dubai in an aeroplane overflowing with fellow Pakistanis that I was making a mistake. But given the dates, I did not have an option. The journey to Dubai was tolerable especially because the gent sitting next to me mercifully decided to spare me any conversation and came close to spilling his tea on me only once. But the return opened my wounds from a 1999 flight that I had the misfortune of taking from New York to Lahore. Indeed, it was that experience that had led to the resolve that I wouldn’t ever fly on that airline if I could help it. The journey was terrible with some children deciding to move up and down the aisle as if they were sauntering in their backyard; damn the seatbelt signs or any other instructions. And it was easy for them since they had their elders to emulate. One of the worst features of any international flight is Pakistani passengers blocking the aisles and chatting away. Spilling of food and drinks is, of course, a standard given. Five minutes after the food is served, some aeroplanes bearing Pakistanis become unbearable. The less said the better about toilets on a long-haul flight. Not only does everyone want to download everything that he or she had uploaded in the past week or so, the manner in which it is done would do an acrobat suffering from the runs proud. While this was not a long haul, I retreated faster than one can say Jack Robinson after I saw the condition of the toilet that I had the misfortune of trying. Someone had decided to throw a child’s pamper in the pot. This person, and I assume it was a mother, was followed by someone who could obviously not hold his bowel movement for the two-and-half hours that we were up in the air. The sight of his doing — or undoing in this case — and its volume proved that he had been waiting to be aboard a plane before announcing his arrival in the world. The other toilet being available, since the sign outside said “vacant”, I pushed the door open only to find a beard performing his ablutions. He had not even bothered to lock the door. When I saw him, he had one foot in the basin and was scrubbing it like crazy. How he managed to perform this feat — which was akin to what until then I had thought only the Chinese contortionists could do — could only be explained in spiritual terms. This toilet, too, was unusable because I was not prepared to use it after this bout of spirituality. Water was by then overflowing from the basin and the floor was flooded. I knew the guy would next put his crotch in the basin and I definitely did not want to use the place after his enthusiastic performance. In any case, by then, I did not want to take a leak. As I bolted from the second toilet, I thought I heard someone say the azaan. As I turned to go back to my seat from the rear end of the plane, I saw another beard saying the azaan and two other beards, excl the one in the toilet, standing up to say collective prayers. They had blocked the way from the toilets to the aisle and I stood there unable to go anywhere. Just then I received a push from someone behind me and realised that the beard performing his ablutions in the toilet was joining the jama’at. I stood there until they had said their namaz and with spirituality writ large on their faces, or whatever was visible of their faces, they picked up the chaddar they had placed to say the prayers and returned to their seats. I was fuming. My question to this airline is this: How does it think it can attract travellers, Pakistanis or foreigners, when some of its passengers can make it so inconvenient for others to fly? Incidentally, one of the persons saying the namaz in this fashion was a member of the crew. And if certain airlines cannot stop people from standing in the aisles, behaving in a loutish manner and turning the plane into a mosque, perhaps it could spell out the hazards that attend flying on their brochures and/or tickets. I certainly do not want to witness the expression of such spirituality whether I am on the ground travelling in a bus or at high altitude. Just the smugness that underscores such piety is sickening. For so long have the decent folks in this country retreated in the face of the beards that we now have to put up with their shenanigans at 36,000 feet above the ground. As for how we use a bathroom, thinking room for me, about that some other time. Ejaz Haider is News Editor of The Friday Times and Contributing Editor of Daily Times. He can be reached at sapper@dailytimes.com.pk Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: rhytha Sep 18 2005, 09:45 AM

Harshavardhan excellent laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Naresh Sep 18 2005, 03:31 PM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-9-2005_pg7_26 ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) on Sunday said that because of General Musharraf’s weak position, Indian Premier Manmohan Singh had not only declined to discuss the Kashmir issue with him, but had also accused Pakistan of being involved in terrorism in held Kashmir. “Mr Singh misses no chance to attack Pakistan at world forums. This contradicts the the current ruler’s claim that engagement with Israel and its recognition would help settle the Kashmir dispute with India,” said Muhammad Siddiqul Farooq, the PML-N information secretary, on Sunday at a press conference. He said the recent change in the Indian premier’s attitude was witnessed after the general met Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister. “The PML-N has nothing against Judaism. It demands Israel act upon UN resolution 242 that calls for the withdrawal of settlements in the West Bank and Al Quds, facilitating unrestricted return of Palestinian refugees and recognising the existence of an independent sovereign Palestinian state.” He said these steps would improve Israeli relations with the Muslim world, adding that recognising Israel or having relations with it would imply approving Israeli atrocities against Palestinians. He said the government’s claim to have contacted Palestinian Authority President Mehmood Abbas and Saudi Arabia before meeting the Israeli foreign minister contradicted the spokesmen of these countries. Farooq said people who believe Pakistan would prosper if it recognises Israel should bear in mind that Turkey has had ties with Israel for a long time, but Israel and the Jewish organisations could neither help Turkey get European Union membership nor provide any assistance to address its economic problems. He said the Indian prime minister’s arrogance and accusations against Pakistan in New York, proved that General Musharraf’s policies were flawed and were damaging Pakistan’s vital interests. He said General Musharraf hoped that Sharon would urge Manmohan to give concessions to Pakistan to save his face in the country; “but Manmohan did not do that, as he is aware of Musharraf’s weaknesses and beats him on all issues”. He said a functional democracy was vital for the resolution of the Kashmir dispute, adding that Pakistan should adopt the course set by former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, which led to the Lahore Declaration in 1999. Referring to economic policies, he said the current regime’s polices had widened the gulf between the rich and the poor and that General Musharraf’s claim of 8.4 percent economic growth rate was incorrect, adding that petrol, which was 24 rupees per litre in 1999 now costs 53 rupees per litre. He said about 80 million people were forced to live below the poverty line under these conditions. “Although General Musharraf claims to have broken the begging bowl, foreign debt has increased by five billion dollars since he usurped power,” he said. He said the PML-N would not accept changes in Islamic studies on the dictation of foreign forces. Cheers cheers.gif

Posted by: Viren Sep 19 2005, 08:21 AM

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Not withstanding Pervez Musharraf's denials, United States daily Washington Post on Monday maintained that the Pakistani President had said that rape had become a "money-making concern" in his country and a way of getting a visa to Canada.
http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/19mush.htm

Posted by: Naresh Sep 20 2005, 09:09 AM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_20-9-2005_pg3_7 Sir: I do not know of a single woman who chose to be raped so that she could migrate to Canada. But I do know of thousand of men and women who chose to migrate to Canada for a higher standard of living; and because they did not want to be raped. The president’s statement was false and offensive. For this, he must publicly and unconditionally apologise to the citizens of Pakistan. Perhaps he needs to be informed that the so-called Islamic Republic, which sponsors his fortnightly visits abroad, has successfully established some of the world’s most invincible ‘rape institutions’ almost at par with the country’s defence forces. There are gang rapes, ‘uniformed’ rapes (Sui case), custodial rapes (Faisalabad case) and Jirga-driven rapes (Meerwala case) – to name just a few. People in atate institutions ensure that the FIR is not registered (Sonia Naz); the rapists are protected (Dr Shazia’s case); and the victim is denied justice (Mukhtar Mai’s case). While no state institution can claim to be anywhere close to being ‘customer friendly’, the state appears to be increasingly rapist-friendly. Cheers

Posted by: Naresh Sep 21 2005, 07:35 AM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_21-9-2005_pg3_2 Last week The Washington Post wrote that General Pervez Musharraf had said the following: “You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a moneymaking concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada, or citizenship, and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.” The General has since said he was misquoted (I feel, therefore, that given the gravity of the accusations, The Washington Post should publicly apologise or be sued by the government of Pakistan). But being raped in pursuit of money has been a practice in Pakistan since at least 1952. And the phenomenon is getting bigger. I’m not talking about women being raped, but the country itself. There are several definitions of rape, the most common one being the forced, manipulated or coerced sexual intercourse (or other sexual act). But to rape also means to destroy and to strip (something or somebody) of its possession(s). Now who has been raping Pakistan? Let me give you three examples: The World Bank has been operating in Pakistan since 1952. It has lent more than $15 billion, of which Pakistan still owes almost two-thirds. The Bank has “assisted” the country in 258 projects. These projects included the infamous SAPs (Structural Adjustment Programmes, mainly implemented from the late 1980s till recently), where the proposition amounted to: “we’ll lend you some money (which you’ll pay us back with a small interest) on the condition that you’ll downsize your government bills (including spending on health and education); privatise lots of state-owned institutions (which your and our rich citizens will buy), and get rid of trade barriers (while the rich countries still have them).” But these were only some of the projects. They had more — many more. (Please remember that each project used money they lent Pakistan — which had to be paid back — and their “superior expertise”.) There have been 24 projects since 1952 for agricultural development, 16 projects since 1964 in the education sector (including six that focus on primary education), 13 projects since 1959 on industrial investment, nine projects since 1952 involving the railways, eight WAPDA projects since 1970, seven highways projects since 1964, six projects since 1954 involving Sui Gas, six projects since 1969 in the telecom sector, six fertiliser production projects since 1968, four projects involving development of the Karachi port since 1955, three projects since 1968 involving Tarbela Dam, three projects since 1974 for flood control, two water supply and sewage projects each since 1967 for Lahore and Karachi, two electric power projects since 1955 for Karachi, and a few projects in energy and oil, and cement production sectors. Given all the money and expertise, Pakistan should now have high agricultural yields and be self-sufficient. Its population should have a high level of education or at least a very low illiteracy rate. It should be an industrial giant, with an amazing railway service. It should have no electricity problems and a great road network. Every household should have gas. It should have a brilliant telecommunications system. It should be exporting fertiliser. It should have one of the best ports in Asia, enough water for household consumption and irrigation and be safe from floods. There should be efficient water supply and sewage systems in Lahore and Karachi, and power failures in Karachi should be few and far between. But Pakistan doesn’t have any of this. And it gets worse: remember what I said about rape — to destroy and strip something of its possession? What has the country has been stripped of? What has been sold — mainly to foreigners? That’s right, the KESC, the PTCL, the fertiliser factories and the cement factories. To this list may be added in time the PSO, other electric supply corporations, and who knows, the WAPDA, Sui Gas, the WASA, the motorway, the railway... And education? Well they’re now saying the government should go for public-private partnerships, ie, let the private sector take over the running of public schools. I’m not saying I’m entirely against privatisation; in some cases privatisation does make sense. What I’m saying is: how come the World Bank lends billions of dollars and expertise to make something work, and at the end of the day says, “Sorry boys, I guess you’ll have to sell...” As for the expertise, we have to remember, their experts work for a bank. They’re mainly bankers — now we all know that bankers are good at banking, not running a country. Now let’s move on to the IMF. The Fund was originally established to promote international monetary cooperation, exchange stability and orderly exchange arrangements, to foster economic growth and high levels of employment, and to provide temporary financial assistance to countries to help ease balance of payments adjustment. Unfortunately, it has evolved into an international “Spanish Inquisition”; judging countries’ macroeconomic policies and offering loans only if they adopt a strict, uniform package of free-market measures. It has been operating in Pakistan since 1950, but it was in the 1980s that it hit its peak in destroying and stripping the country of its possessions. That’s right, the IMF, together with the World Bank, masterminded the SAPs. Today, after being proved a disastrous adviser around the world, it still advocates privatisation, liberalisation, and deregulation. Worse still, they claim that there is no other way. Their approach is “if the medicine we give you isn’t working, then you need to take more”. Apparently, the country got rid of the IMF in 2004, while getting a $1.3 billion loan (which has to be paid back). For this loan again, Pakistan was willing to be raped Even the IMF commends Pakistan for liberalising trade and creating “one of the most liberal trade regimes in South Asia”! Finally, the USA (and I’m talking about the administration and not its citizens) has been puppeteering the country since at least the 1970s. First Pakistan was an ally and a bridge to China, then an ally against communism and a frontline state in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and recently an ally in the war on terror. Directly or indirectly, Pakistan has inherited a Kalashnikov culture, lots of “terrorists” and a handful of military dictators that are needed for the sake of national interest. But never mind that, the country got more than $3 billion during General Ziaul Haq’s military rule and a similar amount now under General Pervez Musharraf (half of this money is being given as military assistance). So you see, for money, the country has allowed itself to be gang raped by these institutions. And who sits on the jirga or panchayat? Well, if you have a government riddled with the former employees of the IMF, the World Bank and American banks, what would you expect? Miguel Loureiro has academic and professional experience in the development sector Cheers

Posted by: Mudy Sep 21 2005, 10:42 AM

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_21-9-2005_pg7_8SARAI ALAMGIR: Turkish border security forces killed three Pakistanis and arrested 29 others at the Turkish border on Tuesday. Abdul Jabbar, Mirza Tahir and an unidentified man from Kharian were shot dead by the Turkish security personnel for trespassing into the country illegally. They arrested 29 others. Relatives of the victims have started contacting the Turkish forces to bring their bodies to Pakistan

Posted by: Manu Sep 23 2005, 02:14 AM

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Posted by: Mudy Sep 23 2005, 01:12 PM

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Gravitas, Mr President, gravitas : Najam Sethi's E d i t o r i a l A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.” Thus spake General Pervez Musharraf in response to a question about the mishandled rape cases of Dr Shazia Khalid and Mukhtar Mai. This insensitive statement has provoked condemnation all round – including from the Canadian prime minister compelling General Musharraf to explain that he was misquoted. But has he had a change of heart about how to deal with such cases? Has his view of women’s NGOs and human rights groups changed? No. After the Mukhtar Mai fiasco, General Musharraf had bristled with indignation and self-righteousness. “I stopped her from going”, he thumped his chest. When that drew howls of protest, Mr Khurshid Kasuri was quick at damage control. “He was misquoted”, said Mr Kasuri rather lamely, “there can be no doubt about General Musharraf’s sincerity in promoting women’s causes”. Unfortunately, General Musharraf has since reiterated and owned his remark several times. But that’s not all. General Musharraf is angry that Dr Shazia Khalid is “bad-mouthing Pakistan abroad”. He says he will help her if she returns to Pakistan. But this is a ridiculous offer. From the outset, the government has done exactly the opposite. It spirited Dr Shazia from Sui even before the local police could start the investigation, secreted her from the press in Karachi so that she couldn’t tell her story, quietly put her on a plane for London and told her to forget about her ordeal. The rapist is still at large and investigation has been shelved. Recently, Nelofer Bakhtiar, the government’s testy handler, had the cheek to “invite” Dr Shazia to a PR conference on women. Affronted, Dr Shazia has spilled the beans about how a military official first pressed and then arranged for her to leave the country. General Musharraf’s ire is actually focused on women’s and human rights NGOs whose job and responsibility it is to highlight crimes against women and bring pressure on government to redress grievances. “Why aren’t India or France or Britain or the USA lambasted internationally for crimes against women, especially rape which is all too frequent in these countries”, he wants to know. “Because our NGOs are unpatriotic and insincere”, is his own readymade answer. But this is preposterous. General Musharraf, like most of his uniformed colleagues, thinks nothing of monopolizing patriotism and the national interest. But he should pause to consider why women’s and human rights activists are constrained to shriek in protest in Pakistan and not so much in other countries. It is not that Pakistan’s record of rapes is worse than that of other countries – which is what angers General Musharraf but that Pakistan’s embedded religious, legal and political culture is decidedly more hostile to women’s emancipation and rights than that in many other countries. And when avowedly ‘moderate’ or relatively ‘liberal’ regimes such as General Musharraf’s fail to act judiciously or expeditiously, the end result is likely to be acute frustration and outrage. Rapists are caught and punished, and women’s rights and honour are vigorously defended by the law, in most modern and moderate countries. But this is not the case in Musharraf’s Pakistan. “Semi-feudal societal customs” may be an important explanatory factor, as General Musharraf points out, but surely apathetic state institutions, governmental indifference and lingering bad laws are more relevant. We expect more action from General Musharraf because that is what he has promised us. However, when he starts railing against the NGOs for doing their job he descends to the same level as that of the illiterate PML-N MNA Saad Rafique who was notorious for hounding them to the wall. General Musharraf’s statement shows him up as part of the prejudiced herd and not as its enlightened leader. Indeed, General Musharraf’s ire at a young woman who questioned him at a meeting in New York last Saturday shows him up as brash and arrogant. According to a news report, “pandemonium broke out… when an irate President Pervez Musharraf declared that those who opposed his policies were the enemies of Pakistan.” The report says the event degenerated into a bout between General Musharraf and part of the invited audience. “I am a fighter, I will fight you. I do not give up and if you can shout, I can shout louder,” said General Musharraf. “Lady, you are used to people who tell lies. I am not one of them.” When a woman raised her voice to ask a question, the president said: “Are you a Benazir supporter? We have introduced new leaders who don’t tell lies unlike your leaders who did… I am disappointed with people like you. You work with people who looted and plundered the nation. You are against the national interest, you have your own agenda. I know that there are people with vested interests and financial interests who are against Pakistan.” Is this a playground mud-slinging match or what? Where is the president’s dignity? Increasingly he seems on edge tense, resentful, anxious, brittle. The more he berates the defenseless the more he demeans himself. We need gravitas, Mr President, gravitas.
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SUCH GUP Sorely missed The Chief Spokesman of the gormint of Pakistan is being sorely missed at the United Nations by those who can recall some of his scintillating performances of the past. On one of his visits to the UN, he picked up the New York Times where one headline caught the Pride of Pindi’s eye which said that a certain official had been “fired.” “My God,” he screamed, “Chotti si baat pai banday ko goli maar di!” On another visit to the UN, he came out of a Committee meeting waving a sheaf of papers. Spying a Pakistani correspondent, he beckoned him, “I have made a big speech on Morocco just now.” Replied the confused scribe, “But Shiekh Sahab, Morocco in not on the Committee’s agenda.” The Pride of Pindi was not convinced. It turned out that the matter before the Committee concerned Comoros where a crisis had developed. The Sheikh had been referring to the tiny island state as Morocco throughout the speech he had been given to read. More recently, the Pride of Pindi floored a BBC interviewer with his unmatched and unmatchable mastery of the Queen’s English. When asked where Pakistan stands on the water issue which has generated a good deal of heat between New Delhi and Islamabad, the gent lost his temper. “Why only ask Pakistan always to stand, stand? Why not India stand? Why only Pakistan?” Disposable income Last week, our mole was at the US embassy in Isloo waiting patiently for his turn at window no. 12 at the Consular section. He could thus hear all that transpired at this counter between the visa officer and various applicants. Four applicants were interviewed and two of these were serving khakis. Our mole’s surprise turned to astonishment when one senior khaki from the core of things in Karachi turned up en famile and said that he and his wife and three children were planning an extended family holiday in the US. The next applicant was a Captain who gingerly walked up to the counter and declared that he had a slipped disc and wanted a visa to go for surgery to the US. The visa officer informed him that disc surgery could be done in Pakistan but the Captain was adamant. “It’s very crude and unsafe here” he said. The visa officer then asked him if he knew how much disc surgery would cost in the US. The Captain replied, “I know. I know. It’s a million rupees and I’m prepared for that”. Our mole being a medical practitioner has more than a passing acquaintance with this subject and knew for sure that lumbar disc surgery is the commonest procedure being done with good results in all the country’s military hospitals and yet the Captain’s readiness to spend Rs 1 million on a procedure he could have done free, speaks volumes of the disposable income available to khakis.

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Nuggets from the Urdu press Umar Bakri gave terrorist training According to Khabrain, Sheikh Umar Bakri – recently deported from the UK – used his Al Muhajirun organisation to attract Muslim youth to extremism in British amusement parks, then took the selected ones from amongst them to a village where they were told about the methods of holding and using weapons and making and using bombs. No weapons were, however, actually used during training. Umar Bakri flees Britain According to the daily Pakistan, Islamic preacher Umar Bakri fled Britain and arrived in Lebanon after the expected crackdown in the UK against his organisation Al Muhajirun which openly calls for the overthrow of the political system in order to replace it with an Islamic one. Bakri had fled Syria when Hafez Al Asad moved against the Ikhwan in the 1980s. He first fled to Saudi Arabia but was soon uncomfortable after he began a campaign for overthrowing the king there. He then came to the UK which gave him asylum. Now he feared action against him after being accused of having brainwashed the 7/7 suicide bombers. Why was Maulana Fazlur Rehman deported? Writing in the weekly Azm, Tanvir Qaisar Shahid stated that MMA-JUI leader Maulana Fazlur Rehman was recently deported from the UAE because he had gone and met Libya’s Qaddafi who had in the past insulted the Saudi king who had even withdrawn his ambassador from Libya in protest. It could be that Saudi Arabia asked the UAE to deport him to prevent him from entering Saudi Arabia. It was also possible that the UAE deported him thinking he was Fazlur Rehman Khalil, the militia leader of the banned Harkatul Mujahideen. Maulana Fazlur Rehman had also visited him in Islamabad just a week earlier to hear him say that he should ask the government not to arrest him again. What do boys do after madrassas? Writing in the Jang, Nazeer Naji stated that every year, thousands of graduates came out of religious seminaries to look for jobs. They passed the equivalent of FA and BA exams at the seminaries but remained without the basic functional knowledge to do anything productive. They usually became teachers of the Quran, imams and khateebs in functioning mosques. Many got into the auqaf department, others went into the army and rangers to serve as priests, or got into jails to serve as priests for the prisoners. They also went abroad to serve expatriate Pakistanis and benefited from copious community funds there. In time, they competed with one another on the basis of sect, which competition could become quite ugly.

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The Pakistan – Israel fact sheet : Farrukh Saleem Why is Islamabad not at peace with Tel Aviv? Israel is not much different from Pakistan: Israel was born when the British withdrew from their mandate of Palestine and Pakistan was born when the British withdrew from British India. Israel has a large immigrant population as does Pakistan. Muslim clergy in United India opposed the creation of Pakistan while an organized Jewish religious lobby opposed the creation of Israel. Currently, religious elements in Israel as well as in Pakistan are vying for political power. Pakistan was born in the midst of violence and so was Israel. Moreover, Pakistan was to protect the political rights of Muslims of the sub-continent; Israel was to do the same for Jews. Jinnah and Gurion were both secular and did not want theocratic states. Israel and Pakistan have both been pro-West and pro-America. Israel and Pakistan have both faced threats to their territorial sovereignty and their respective armies continue to play important political roles. As facts speak louder than words, here is some raw data: The United Nations has 191 Member States, and Medinat Yisra’el (the State of Israel) maintains diplomatic relations with 160 of them. Around the world, Israel has 72 Resident Embassies, 17 Consulates General, 4 Special Missions and several Trade Representative Offices. According to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Pakistan has a total of 74 diplomatic missions abroad. The Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC), Muslim Ummah’s proxy, has a total of 57 Member States of which Albania, Azerbaijan, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Comoros, Cote d’Ivoire, Egypt, Gabon, Gambia, Guyana, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Morocco, Mozambique, Niger, Nigeria, Oman, Qatar, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Oman, Surinam, Tajikistan, Togo, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uganda and Uzbekistan have diplomatic relations with Israel. (In October 2000, Morocco, Tunisia and Oman suspended relations with Israel.) Israel’s Muslim-majority neighbors are Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestine. Israel’s Embassy in Cairo is located on Sharia Ibn-El Maleck. Israel’s Consulate General in Alexandria is located on Mina Street Kafar-Abdouroushdy. Israel’s Embassy in Amman is located on Maysaloun Street. On 10 September 1993, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin signed documents recognizing the PLO. The same day, Yasser Arafat signed a letter “recognizing Israel and renouncing violence”. The border between Egypt and Israel has been at peace for more than 26 years. The border between Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and Medinat Yisra’el has been at peace for more than 12 years. In 1979, Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and Prime Minister Menahem Begin signed The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty (President Jimmy Carter signed as a witness). In 1993, Jordan and Israel singed The Israel-Jordan Common Agenda which officially ended the ‘state of war’. Here in Pakistan, we are the Islami Jamhooriya-i-Pakistan while Israel is the Medinat Yisra’el . The Hashemites of Al Mamlakah al Urduniyah al Hashimiyah have settled with Israel (The Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace). Jumhuriyat Misr al-Arabiyah has signed The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty. Al Jumhuriyah al Arabiyah as Suriyah has been locked in peace negotiations with Israel. Cairo is 245 miles from Tel Aviv. Damascus is 136 miles from Tel Aviv. Amman is 69 miles from Tel Aviv. Cairo is at peace with Tel Avis. Damascus is at peace with Tel Aviv. Amman is at peace with Tel Aviv. Islamabad is 2,537 miles away from Tel Aviv. Why is Islamabad not at peace with Tel Aviv? Israel achieved independence on 14 May, 1948. Within a few days of her independence David Ben Gurion, Israel’s founding father, formally requested Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s recognition. Is Musharraf going to answer Gurion’s request? fridaytimes.com

Posted by: Naresh Sep 24 2005, 03:41 PM

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/sep2005-daily/25-09-2005/main/main6.htm ISLAMABAD: The solitary submarine Internet cable connecting Pakistan with the rest of the world went down again at around 11 pm on Saturday. Although the Internet traffic had been suffering serious intermittent slowdowns, the country’s Internet-dependent community including the newspaper industry went into darkness. Senior PTCL official Mashkoor Hussain confirmed to The News on telephone that the country was not connected to the world through fibre optic cable. He said the entire traffic would be shifted to 240 MB satellite backup. "According to my information, the Sea-Me-We 3 (South East Asia Middle East Western Europe 3) is down from Djibouti to Mumbai including Fujarah and Karachi," Mashkoor said. The fresh outage follows a recent severe blow to the country when the breakdown of SMW 3 lasted for 10 days and eight hours (June 27 to July 8). The 39,000-kilometre-long fibre optic link, run by a 92-party consortium, had developed the fault 52 nautical miles (some 96 kilometres) off the coast of Karachi due to a power breakdown. The SEA-ME-WE 3 is a fibre optic cable laid on the seabed by a company FLAG and in case of disconnection or rupture, the failure may take some two weeks to be fixed. The country’s Internet traffic, particularly the Call Centers, Long Distance Operators and other important businesses, would be moved to the backup Satellite bandwidth. Mashkoor could not give any reason for the interruption. "The cause behind this blackout cannot be determined right now," he said. Farrukh Aslam, a top office-bearer of call centers’ association working closely with ISPAK, said, "The PTCL has still not learnt any lesson from their historic blunders." The IT&T ministry has repeatedly directed them to arrange 50 per cent back-up bandwidth on the satellite, but today the country would be relying on some 25 per cent bandwidth on the satellite, he said. PTCL President Junaid could not be contacted. Cheers

Posted by: Naresh Sep 24 2005, 05:00 PM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_25-9-2005_pg7_8 QUETTA: Around 123 Pakistanis were arrested by Taftan Levies on Saturday while trying to enter Iranian territory illegally. Sources said that the arrested Pakistanis were planning to travel to Europe in search of employment via Iran. After apprehending them, the Iranian security forces pushed them back to the zero point, where they were arrested by the Taftan Levies. The levies later handed them over to the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA). Meanwhile, the Mand Levies, in another operation, arrested 11 Afghanis and four Pakistanis trying to enter Iran without required documents. They were arrested under the Foreign Act and a case has been registered against them. Online Cheers

Posted by: Naresh Sep 26 2005, 02:21 AM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_26-9-2005_pg1_6 JACCOBABAD: Gas supply to Punjab was suspended on Sunday morning after a pipeline blast near Kandhkot. The gas supply was suspended after a pipeline of 60-inch diameter from Sui to Punjab busted due to internal pressure, officials claimed. The police and Rangers have cordoned off the area and started investigations. Repair works were in progress and the possibility of terrorism could not be ruled out, sources said. Earlier, a powerful explosion had destroyed a spare gas pipeline in Tangwani area of Jacobabad district on March 13, 2005. Police said that unidentified terrorists planted a bomb close to the pipeline in the jurisdiction of the Ghulam Sarwar Sarki police station, which exploded early in the morning. As a result, the spare gas pipeline was destroyed. Heavy contingent of police and other law enforcement agencies reached the spot and cordoned off the area. Another powerful explosion occurred near Garhi Hasan Canal, 50km from Shikarpur, en route PPL’s Sui Gas Purification Plant in Sui. The explosion did not cause any damage to the piling, carrying the main SSGC pipeline, but the pipeline was damaged. Online Cheers

Posted by: Mudy Sep 26 2005, 03:22 PM

Must read to understand Paki’s habitual behavior towards Hindus or Indian.

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Haqqani’s testament to personal ‘transformation’Khaled Ahmed's Analysis A number of personalities known to Pakistani politics have undergone transformation as the dreaded jihad-dominated decade of the 1990s unfolded in Pakistan. Husain Haqqani is one of them. He began to change and move away from the state-supported, nationalism-linked, worldview some time during the years when Pakistan’s establishment was marching blithely to the end of its fatal romance with jihad. In the years when he was not linked to one political party or the other, dragging the steel ball of state ideology around its ankle, he reached down to his long kept-on-hold intellect - with good results, it appears. A process of transformation began which may be his last ‘adjustment’ to the changing circumstance. Even as a ‘fixer’ for politicians, he was set apart by his mind. If in the end he said goodbye to the job of a hired PR handyman, it was because of his mind. Finally, his transformation may be based on intellect, not opportunity. However, if opportunity beckons again within the parameters of the intellectual commitment manifested in his book, he would be a curmudgeon not to take it by the forelock. Haqqani’s book Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military (Carnegie Endowment/Vanguard Books, Lahore 2005) has pleasantly surprised his readers. He had begun his journalist’s career definitely on the side of ‘the mosque’ under the shadow of General Ziaul Haq and his informal condominium with Jamaat-e-Islami. (Haqqani writes about this.) He was a brilliant rightwing youth among a group discovered first by the army, then passed on to the Muslim League under Nawaz Sharif. The advantage he had over his fellow-fixer Mushahid Hussain was his more refined intellect and his attractive bilingualism. (It is endlessly tempting to make a comparative study of the constantly metamorphosing careers of the two Hussains, Mushahid and Haqqani.) Where he eclipsed late Siraj Munir was Munir’s insufficient grasp of English even though he beat Haqqani in Urdu. Shafqat Mehmood, another attractively ‘transformed’ intellectual of our times, was never in the running as a ‘fixer’ for the political elite, but he was found to be promising. Haqqani was the fixer for caretaker Jatoi, was then loaned out to Nawaz Sharif, while Benazir Bhutto eyed him greedily with outspoken recognition of his brilliance. Serving Bhutto, he hit big times and probably doesn’t need to slog for Pakistan’s intellectually flatfooted rulers any more. But who knows? Mosque versus India : The substance we have in the book after the lucky ‘personal sloughing’ of Husain Haqqani is not bad at all. Even though a backward look might persuade you to think that he was ‘putting it on’ when doing PR for dishonourable causes, you cannot deny the quality of the peeling off Haqqani has achieved. The biggest milestone of his metamorphosis is his new understanding of ideology and they way it has applied to Pakistan, coupling a national brainwash against India with religion that clearly helped those who wanted to delay the democratic process pledged by the founders of the state and the constitutions it periodically framed. The ideology took Pakistan away from democracy and human rights, but it also took the state to its endgame by producing a kind of irredentism out of it named deceptively and deniably: jihad. But Haqqani doesn’t ignore the interstices of his argument: he tells us how Jinnah used Islam to tame the Muslim-majority provinces allergic to his Muslim League while the clerics were mostly allied with the Hindu-dominated secular Congress. Jinnah’s successors leaned on anti-Indianism in their quest for legitimacy: the new nationhood itself was predicated on the threat Pakistan was supposed to feel from India. Problems of unity took the rulers to the facile instrumentality of Islam. The state learned its use to keep the nation together as it went around shaping minds against India: Islam became the central tenet in the rule book of the military establishment, civilian bureaucracy and the intelligence community. It was used not only against India, but also to link up with the Islamic world as a device of the nation’s identity-formation. In the process, shady Islamic organisations like the Ikhwan were courted, allowing the local religious oppositionists to link up with them and become more muscular inside Pakistan. Prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan was not a religious man but he swallowed the reductionist wisdom that Pakistan could be held together only with Islam and a state that promised a legally Islamic state. Mosque wins over mind : Jamaat-e-Islami, because it had not sided with the Congress, became a kind of unspoken arbiter of the Islamic state in Pakistan even though its founder Maududi had abused Jinnah. Maududi had contacts with Muslim League’s secretariat in New Delhi through Zafar Ahmad Ansari; in Punjab there were Muslim League politicians like Mamdot who leaned to the Islamic-totalitarian thought of Maududi. In Karachi the administrative secretary general, and later prime minister and writer of Pakistan’s first constitution, Chaudhry Muhammad Ali, was more convinced of Maududi’s vision than Jinnah’s and let Maududi come on the radio to explain the nature of the Islamic state. (Maududi was everybody’s philosopher of the state despite much lip-service paid to Iqbal: when in 1975 the PPP government issued its Rights of the Woman charter it quoted within its text almost the entire content of Maududi’s book Huquq al-Zaujain – KA.) Haqqani quotes from Margaret Bourke-White (p.30-31), a Life magazine reporter-photographer, who heard Jinnah saying in 1947 that America would need Pakistan as it was strategically placed as ‘the pivot of the world’. He told her that ‘Russia is not far away’ as he elaborated on his rather well-understood exposition on the nature of the Cold War then in its infancy. Bourke-White wondered why Jinnah liked to define Pakistan as ‘an armoured buffer between opposing major powers’. Talking to others in Karachi, she soon came to the conclusion that Pakistan suffered from a ‘bankruptcy of ideas’ and was ready to adopt the strategy of ‘profiting from the disputes of the others’. One can accept one part of the strategy: realpolitik justified the policy of ‘profiting from the disputes of others’; but a bankruptcy of ideas was unforgivable because, after the ‘disputes’ of the Cold War ended, Pakistan was found living on its brainless pavlovian reflexes. Mosque and the Generals : In 1953, General Ayub as commander-in-chief of the army emerged as the physical manifestation of Pakistan’s early formulations of ideology. His supremacy in the Pakistani hierarchy was so complete that he visited the US ahead of the political leadership to offer America a Cold War deal: Pakistan as the West’s eastern anchor in an Asia Alliance structure. Haqqani quotes Shirin Tahir-Kheli to show how Ayub bargained hard for a ‘price’ as he refused to give America a full-fledged military base. And the price included not only money but also a security guarantee against India. After 1979, General Zia too drove a hard bargain for Pakistan’s use against the Soviet Union. Haqqani in fact theorises on the basis of this pattern of behaviour (later confirmed by General Musharraf) to conclude that the state in Pakistan has behaved consistently without really changing after promising to change. Yet there was a difference between what General Zia sought inside Pakistan and what General Musharraf seeks now. Haqqani says the umbilical joining all courtiers of the US was hatred of India, perhaps including Musharraf, who should then stand with first president of Pakistan Iskander Mirza and second president Ayub Khan in his fear and loathing of religion. Later in the book Haqqani dwells on the theme of Musharraf’s ‘ambivalence’ about switching off the Kashmir proxy war, sheltering religious militias against a global wrath only because of the India-centric worldview he shares with the earlier ‘secular’ military rulers of Pakistan. He also tackles the immensely tortured conundrum of Musharraf surreptitiously propping up the religious parties against the mainstream political parties in the 2002 general election. Such is the slippery nature of the evidence available for proving this, that the mainstream parties now in the ARD have finally (disgustedly) accepted aligning their anti-Musharraf strategy with thatof the MMA (religious parties) said to have been ‘facilitated’ by Musharraf. Goodbye to Mosque? The book carries adequate material to prove that Pakistani nationalism was shaped in an anti-India mould to favour the military during the early years and during interregnums when the political parties ruled Pakistan under the tutelage of the military. By the time the politicians realised that nationalism was actually helping the military to remain on top they had also become alive to the already formed public mind that would not accept any alteration in nationalism without a trauma. The truth is that the supremacy of the military in Pakistan cannot be removed without changing Pakistan’s textbook nationalism. On the one hand, the PML may have covered the distance from ‘compulsion to embrace ideology’ to ‘actual internalisation of it’; on the other, the PPP may not have done so, but may find it difficult to wean its following from it without losing votes. The truth is that it is Pakistani nationalism which has first to be modified if the military is to be pushed down in the hierarchy of power in the country. Husain Haqqani has written a good book and has given final proof in it of his capacity that no ruler was interested in utilising. He always had the mental suppleness required in politics. He would communicate with the powerful mullahs of the Zia era and speak Urdu matching theirs. He would hold his own in English in public speaking, shifting competently from an Islamic to a secular-pluralist view. At times he was pushed too far. For instance, he was made to confront the CNN, together with Mushahid Hussain, to prove that the TV channel was biased against the Muslims. This was one battle of wits he did not win as clearly as he did most others. Now his book nails his definitive colours to the mast. This has to be the final transformation. We suppose that what he did in his Zia-Jatoi-Nawaz-Benazir days represented a light hidden behind the bushel, a natural intellectual progression held in abeyance till the times got better. First of a three-part review article on Husain Haqqani’s book "Pakistan between Mosque and Military."

Posted by: Naresh Sep 27 2005, 03:23 PM

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/sep-2005/28/columns1.php Pakistan's establishment has used General Pervez Musharraf's annual trips to the UN General Assembly, at least since 9/11, as occasions to prove the international credentials of their boss. Pakistan's official as well semi-independent media covers the President's meetings with world leaders to prove to Pakistanis that he has support of the international community and, therefore, opposing him or expecting his removal from office any time soon is futile. In the past, his UN visits have been followed with engineered defections of opposition politicians and sponsored commentary pointing out how as Pakistan's only "leader" with global stature, Musharraf is Pakistan's only hope. The phenomenon is not new. Pakistan's status as a national security state often results in the assumption that external support and internal political strength go hand in hand. That several Pakistani rulers have run into unanticipated difficulties at home at the height of their popularity with foreign powers has done little to change the perception of "Allah, America and the Army" being keys to political power in Pakistan. Of course, right now General Musharraf appears about as mighty and unassailable as Ayub Khan did at the beginning of 1968 or Ziaul Haq was perceived 20 years later. The domestic opposition, under constant attack, seems weak and demoralised. He himself told Pakistani journalists in New York that he saw no reason to change course. President Bush has never told him (Musharraf) to give up his uniform and thereby return Pakistan to civilian rule. The President sees his overtures towards Israel as a potential new source of external strength. The American Jewish community, always at the forefront of the global struggle for human rights and democracy, might mute its criticism of Musharraf (or so he hopes) in return for the world's second largest Muslim country possibly extending a hand of friendship to Israel. Gimmicks are seldom a substitute for substantive actions at home as well as abroad. Despite his confidence, Musharraf's UN trip did not play out as scripted. His remarks about rape victims in Pakistan diluted whatever media impact he had expected from his address to the leaders of the American Jewish community. Not all Jewish leaders were impressed by him, and participants in the meeting were evenly divided between those calling for giving him a chance and those wondering aloud if he could be trusted. Apart from the rape comment fiasco, the greatest setback for him came in the stalling of the India-Pakistan peace process. India and Pakistan are still talking but the absence of a breakthrough during Musharraf's meeting on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh denied the President the success he has been betting on. Since the beginning of the current peace process, there has been a feeling of relief on both sides of the border over the peace process being under way. But that sense of relief is gradually giving way to traditional patterns of confrontation and refusal to back down. The number of Indians refusing to trust General Musharraf is now growing. The hardcore around the President that remains committed to an ideological foreign policy casting India as a permanent enemy continues to thrust the Kashmir issue into the foreground. Musharraf himself shows no sign of recognising that the economic and military race with India is a losing proposition and that Pakistan's friends such as the United States are fair-weather, and cannot be counted on in the contest with India. Pakistani ideologues continue to assert that "some gain in Kashmir" must precede or accompany any decision to dismantle the infrastructure of anti-India Islamist militancy within Pakistan. Pakistani supporters of the peace initiative, on the other hand, argue that Pakistan must settle its differences with India before it loses the moment presented by post 9/11 US support. Once Afghanistan is stabilised, and Al Qaeda mopped up, the Americans and their economic and military assistance will disappear, leaving Pakistan without a major ally. China, which was a reliable supporter against India, has been alarmed at Pakistan's support for Islamist radicalism. It is moving towards an understanding with India and, therefore, Pakistan's ability to depend on China as an ally would diminish over time. Pakistan may not be able to secure a reasonable deal from India in a few years time, when the conventional military gap between the two countries would have widened and the economic difference, coupled with major power re-alignments, would make Pakistan's negotiating position untenable. Just as there are a growing number of realists in Pakistan, however, there are others who think the negotiating process is a useful stratagem to buy time for further showdowns with India. Initially General Musharraf cast himself in the mould of a realist but in recent months he has appeared as insufficiently convinced of the realist position or tilting towards the ideologues, at least on the question of India. Many civilians on both sides in South Asia continue to engage in cultural and other exchanges. But the question in Pakistan always is, how strong is the constituency for peace within the Pakistani military? The thinking of civilians is seemingly less important in a country where the military calls the shots. There was no Pakistani civilian constituency for supporting the Sikh insurgency in India during the 1980s. But Pakistan did it nevertheless. The domestic civilian constituency for supporting the Taliban was weak when the Taliban ascended to power. There was confusion in civilian society when the decision was taken to end support for the Taliban after 9/11. Pakistan's establishment made both decisions because it considered them strategically important The President cannot move forward with the India-Pakistan peace process, or for that matter go beyond symbolic gestures towards Israel, because his institutional mandate from the Pakistani military does not go beyond such gestures. The Pakistan army has not made the institutional decision to relinquish political control or to voluntarily give up its position of privilege and power. General Musharraf's has modelled his carefully balanced combination of foreign overtures and domestic machinations on Hosni Mubarak's strategy of controlling Egypt. But, notwithstanding Mubarak's longevity as a ruler, Egypt has become a stagnant nation that lives off strategic rents in the form of US aid in return for a compliant foreign policy. The US may not, however, want Pakistan to be a stagnant nation with nuclear weapons. The general's international mystique is clearly wearing off and his ability to deliver on a wide array of international issues is becoming limited. American policy makers might indulge the President but surely they cannot miss the fact that the last military sweep against Al-Qaeda in Pakistan's tribal areas was timed to coincide with Musharraf's meeting with President Bush at the UN General Assembly. If the peace process with India remains stalled; the promises of becoming a frontline state in the global struggle against anti-Semitism fall short and the hunt for Al-Qaeda yields less results than before, Musharraf would be able to depend even less on external factors to bolster his authority at home. Pakistan's domestic opposition must stir even if it is unable to shake Musharraf's stranglehold over power just yet. If Pakistani establishment have their way, they would reduce Pakistan's political opposition to the level of the opposition in Egypt. But Pakistan's political traditions are different from the Middle East and the country prefers contestation for power to a stagnant autocracy. E-mail: hhaqqani@nation.com.pk Cheers biggrin.gif

Posted by: Naresh Sep 27 2005, 05:36 PM

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/sep2005-daily/28-09-2005/oped/o1.htm The intimacy of the Indo-US strategic partnership was shown up most clearly at the IAEA, with India casting a vote in favour of the EU 3-sponsored and US-backed resolution on Iran. This resolution effectively opens the way for taking the Iranian case to the UN Security Council. Interestingly, till this vote, India had been in the forefront of decrying US attempts to take the Iranian nuclear case to the Security Council --and there is in existence a formal nuclear cooperation agreement between India and Iran also. But US legislators had made it clear that the principle of "either you are with us or against us" still held and India should fall in line behind the US on the Iran nuclear issue if it wanted to see its own nuclear deal with the US go through Congress. So, undoubtedly, in its national interest, India did a complete somersault at the IAEA. A much less powerful Pakistan managed to hold its ground and abstained, but then we do not have anything as lucrative as the Indo-US nuclear and defence agreements at stake! Whatever the compulsions now on India, clearly it is going to be difficult for India to go through with the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline project. The US has already made its opposition to this known to both Pakistan and India. However, again, for Pakistan there is little to be gained by going along with the US on this issue. For India, the case is entirely different since it is now the strategic partner of the US in this region and will therefore be implementing the US strategic agenda -- which one assumes is in sync with the new Indian global ambitions. For those who still hope India will adopt its own strategic policies and not go along with the US agendas in this region, the IAEA vote should set them straight about Indian intent. What Pakistan must do is to ensure that if India backs out of the pipeline project, it is not able to find a face saving escape route, especially in terms of the security pretext. As for Pakistan, we have too much to lose not only economically, but also strategically if we do not go along with this project. If India does not have a Natural Gas Pipe Line then the Pakistanis will not be able to “Black Mail” India – Hai Hai Meanwhile, the Indo-US strategic relationship continues to be operationalised at the military level. The latest reflection of this is the joint naval exercises that commenced on Sunday, 25 September in the Northern Arabian Sea. Termed the Malabar-05 exercise, this is the biggest nine-day long joint naval exercise between the two strategic partners. Apart from aircraft carriers and Early Warning aircraft the exercise will include submarines also. According to Rear Admiral DK Joshi, the Assistant Chief of the Indian Naval Staff, the exercise will involve simulated air strikes, air defence and other tactical operations. The idea is to focus on counter-terrorism operations as well as "anti-sea piracy and to streamline interoperability." While the US military holds joint exercises with many of its allies, the nature of the exercises and the terrain where they take place is significant in the case of India. After all, these naval exercises send a message to the countries along the Gulf and Indian Ocean signalling Indian interests that now seem to be reaching out into the Indian Ocean from the Red Sea to the Malacca Straits. And there is already an Indo-US agreement for the joint patrolling of this area, which controls the energy flows to South and East Asia. Iran needs to take note of this because it signals a new Indian approach to Iran - as a US military partner. For Pakistan also, there is a veiled threat in this and if one links this up with the Indian covert actions coming across from its consulates in Jalalabad and Kandahar in Afghanistan as well as from Zahidan in Iran, one can understand a little better the problems relating to Balochistan and especially Gwadar -- notwithstanding the local politico-economic factors that provide fertile opportunities in the first place. Equally important is the fact that India is also a partner of the US in the Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI). This is one of the many "coalitions of the willing" whereby the US and its allies have anointed to themselves the right to contravene the Law of the Sea and halt ships on the high seas on the merest hint of suspicion that they may be carrying some components of WMD or other threatening cargo. They have also given themselves a similar right for international airspace. Now we all know what destruction a mere hint of suspicion can result in -- as happened in Iraq where a whole country has been destroyed merely on the wrong assumptions, some would say whims, of the Bush Administration. Nor is it just Indo-US naval exercises that have a special strategic significance. There have been Indo-US military exercises in Occupied Kashmir also which certainly confronts Pakistan with a threat multiplier and obviously China was also being sent a strong message. So Indo-US exercises go beyond the traditional exercises that the US holds with countries like Pakistan --- where the intent normally is to see the preparedness of the latter in certain threat situations as well as to ascertain the war doctrines. Coming in the wake of the IAEA's Iran resolution, the Malabar-05 exercises have an added symbolic importance for Iran and Pakistan -- as well as China. The message emanating from India is clear: That it will go along with US strategic goals in this region, be it targeting the Iranian nuclear programme or containing China. For Pakistan, the US has made it clear that the Indo-US military and nuclear alliance is at a different strategic level from the tactical cooperation with Pakistan on the counter-terrorism war. Equally important, we need to factor in this strategic partnership when examining the Indian demand for access to the land route into Afghanistan and beyond. It is not merely an economic issue anymore but a politico-military one in terms of giving India and the US military space -- both overt and covert in that region through our land route. What will be the long terms costs for us in what could become an encirclement of Pakistan by India on the Western and Eastern borders as well as in the Arabian Sea? How will we reconcile our military cooperation with the US in the face of the ongoing strategic military relationship between the US and India? Will what we share militarily with the US, be shared by the US with India -- either deliberately or inadvertently? And how will our national interest in evolving a long-term understanding with our critical neighbour Iran be compromised by the Indo-US partnership and our relationship with the US? At the very least, our strategic milieu has become more complex and our threat calculations have to factor in the long-term implications of the Indo-US defence and nuclear agreements and their strategic partnership. The US may have de-hyphenated its India relationship from its relationship with Pakistan, but for Pakistan this has only aggravated the impact of the US-India cooperation in terms of security parameters. Now we cannot de-hyphenate our relationship with the US from our relationship with India. The writer is Director General of the Pakistan Institute of Strategic Studies, Islamabad Email: smnews80@hotmail.com Cheers

Posted by: Mudy Sep 29 2005, 08:30 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1504207,001300270001.htm

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India and Pakistan have agreed on the need to withdraw troops from the Siachen Glacier but are stuck on verifying each other's positions before they pull back, the Defence minister said in an interview on Wednesday.
What a blunder? It took 8-10 years planing and lot of scarifice to have Siachen now UPA is trusting Pakistan. What they will do in case after verification Pakistan as usual trick India and capture Siachen?

Posted by: Naresh Sep 29 2005, 10:46 AM

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What a blunder? It took 8-10 years planing and lot of scarifice to have Siachen now UPA is trusting Pakistan. What they will do in case after verification Pakistan as usual trick India and capture Siachen?
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Mudy Ji : Your heckles have been raised by the following “ “We have agreed, they have agreed to withdraw troops from the present Siachen positions. There is no two opinions about it,” Mukherjee told Reuters in an interview. This is the poblem with the Lotastaanis and our DDM. What matters is the following “But Islamabad doesn’t agree to New Delhi’s demand that the two militaries mark their positions before demilitarising the Siachen Glacier in Kashmir,” he said. “The disagreement is, where we are demanding that we must identify the places where we were before withdrawal so that there is a record that the respective country’s troops occupied these places,” he said. “Pakistan’s point of view is when we have agreed to withdraw what is the relevance (of this) after the withdrawal agreement is signed,” Mukherjee said. He also said India had “positive information” that Pakistan retained bases to send Muslim guerrillas into the Indian Held Kashmir. “We have repeatedly been telling Pakistan that this is one area which you should address,” he said. As Alfred E Newman said : What! Me Worry? http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-9-2005_pg1_1 BTW : After all withdrawals etc. India is going to keep a “Butcher’s” on the Area with all sorts of Surveillance etc. India has already had one Kargil. The Government will ensure that there is no repeat. Cheers

Posted by: Mudy Sep 29 2005, 11:37 AM

UPA government can do any stupidity but I trust Indian Army and Babues sitting with files in South block. Lack of trust is best thing betwwen India and Pakistan.

Posted by: Mudy Sep 29 2005, 11:43 AM

Friday Times - week's Issue 30 September - 06 October

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Manipulating knowledge : Dr Ayesha Siddiqa While the government-sponsored analysts might get invited to conferences or other events, such invitations are hardly an indicator of how the international community of experts in security studies or other subjects evaluates the work of these 'academic robots' The recent scandal involving a British military attaché and a Pakistani defence academic has attracted much attention at home and abroad, especially among the community of security experts. Given the tremors the news sent across, it is important to see whether it was carried in a professional manner. Two aspects are noticeable in regard to the story as it appeared: It accused someone without the necessary investigation that should have attended the story’s publication. Hence, it denoted a case of irresponsible journalism. Clearly, the media need to follow a code of conduct and should be mindful of people’s reputation. Second, and more importantly, the case throws up the very serious issue of the consequences of manipulating knowledge. This factor, broadly speaking, is even more important than someone’s reputation. This is not just the story of a woman academic being used by some elements within an intelligence agency to achieve its goals. It points to the manner in which the establishment chooses to manipulate knowledge at the cost of overall knowledge-formation in the country. Therefore, it is not surprising that Pakistan lacks in quality research and analysis. The pool of analysts in any given field being small, the quality is further compromised due to state’s manipulation of existing human resource in a field. True, this is not peculiar to Pakistan. There are other countries too where governments court individuals and pay them to present the official viewpoint. But we have to be concerned about Pakistan and the fact that the establishment here uses academics in a way that can destroy all prospects of independent research and analysis. Independent analysts, instead of being considered an asset, are treated as a liability. The dialogue – or normal interaction for policy input – between the academia and the establishment in Pakistan is neither complex nor sophisticated. As far as security studies are concerned, the term academia is, in fact, a misnomer. The educational system has failed to produce a strong and vibrant academe, especially in security or strategic studies. Government bureaucracy conveniently confuses media with academia. What is even more unfortunate is the fact that it is the bureaucracy that determines standards for academia and facilitates or hampers induction into the academe rather than the community deciding itself on its membership. The lack of autonomy and accountability in the education system has led to utter failure in the creation of a strong academic base. In Pakistan, there are roughly four types of analysts in the field of security studies: (a) former or current practitioners, (b) civilian analysts in the payroll of the agencies or the establishment, © civilians ideologically aligned with the state, and (d) independent analysts. While the number of independent analysts is extremely limited, the other three categories have burgeoned over the years. The state’s capacity to reward individuals or punish them directly or indirectly leaves little room for independent views or analyses. Each regime has had its own method of punishment. The worst type was General Zia-ul Haq’s regime that blatantly coerced and harassed academics. University professors and journalists were arrested, tortured and molested to conform to the dictator’s perspective. The other regimes, particularly those following Zia, developed a more sophisticated approach in coercing both the media and the academia. The state encouraged greater number of people to join these fields mainly to present the official perspective. The most trusted, of course, were, and remain, the class of former practitioners They include retired military officers and civil bureaucrats. Information, which is critical to knowledge formation and analysis, is restricted and selectively provided to the trusted agents of the state. Alongside these people, the state has also tried to create and put in place a new class of civilian media people and academics. They are assigned to present the official perspective at international conferences and also present it through newspaper articles. The controversial female academic mentioned above belongs to this class. This depicts an extremely sad situation because manipulating people involves curbing the free flow of research and analysis. The officialdom offers favours such as money and patronage to budding or potential academics at an early stage of their careers. In the past 4-5 years, a number of young university people have been offered financial aid to study abroad in return for their services to the state. These individuals are also being directed about what topics of study to pursue. Interestingly, most happen to be women. And this is not just about the regular Higher Education Commission fellowships. As part of the softer image drive, female academics are being encouraged in fields like security studies, traditionally considered a male, especially military-dominated field. However, most of these women, so far, have been put to tactical use. By the very nature of the system through which they have been contracted, these academics do not much space to develop new ideas At the National Defence College, the military has launched its own research wing and is ambitiously recruiting people and offering them perks It is believed that having achieved training abroad, these potential academics could then be brought back to the country or placed abroad to present the ‘party line.’ The fact that such ‘characters’ get invited to international conferences and can present official viewpoint in fluent English is considered a success both for the system as it has been devised and for state policy. Since 9/11, Pakistani establishment appears desperate to present its perspective to the world. It feels threatened by independent analysis and believes that creating its own team can help it in improving the country’s image. A trusted team of analysts would present the country in a more positive light. This also means presenting the country according to the bureaucratic perspective. Such scheme of things does not allow for independent views or perspectives that are divergent from the state’s view. The ‘other’ opinion is usually castigated as antithetical to the national interest Unfortunately, this perspective ignores the norms of academia and does not appreciate that academe is not just about conference papers, but about the creation of knowledge that, in turn, has to meet rigorous standards established by the academe rather than some agency of the armed forces. The military also ignores the fact that knowledge formation or analysis is not necessarily about higher academic degrees or qualifications. A higher number of doctorates or the fact that someone has studied abroad will not automatically result in improving academic standards. A PhD, like other degrees, is basically a ladder or a tool to learn research or acquire knowledge. While it enables further knowledge creation, a degree cannot be taken as a necessary prerequisite to knowledge formation. Therefore, greater number of people with higher qualification but lacking the independence to pursue knowledge will not necessarily advance the national interest. While the government-sponsored analysts might get invited to conferences or other events, such invitations are hardly an indicator of how the international community of experts in security studies or other subjects evaluates the work of these ‘academic robots.’ Predictably, this has a larger negative impact for the academic environment in the country. Today, the conditions are hardly propitious for potential academics to learn the art of knowledge creation. Although there are other reasons as well such as the incompetence of senior academics to provide mentoring to the youngsters, the fact remains that there is no incentive for independent analysis and the ability to develop professional skills. We sorely lack a third-generation of analysts in the field of security studies or other disciplines of social sciences. There is a near-absence of theoretical literature and there is virtually no attempt to develop new concepts. The system created by the establishment may work at the tactical level and may even serve the country’s interests in the short-term – both dubious propositions in themselves – it will cost us dearly by vitiating the entire atmosphere in which knowledge could take shape. Pakistan will continue to be an intellectually backward state incapable of generating knowledge. Dr Siddiqa is currently a fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars in Washington DC +++++

Posted by: Mudy Sep 29 2005, 11:47 AM

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The folly of 'strategic depth' : Khaled Ahmed's A n a l y s i s In his 1960 Foreign Affairs article Ayub admitted that Pakistanis were not a nation before 1947 but found ideology to be the basic cement to bind the various regional identities together. This was in contrast to 1957 Foreign Affairs article by Hussain Shaheed Suhrawardi, one of the prime ministers of Pakistan from the eastern wing, who had objected to ideology as it would divide rather than unite the nation ‘as it had before Partition’. It is ironic that this very disagreement manifested itself conclusively in 1971 when East Pakistan rebelled against the concept of the Two Nation doctrine and became independent as Bangladesh, and Pakistan today finds itself in the grip of the very ‘army-first’ ideological crisis Suhrawardi had predicted. Ayub found himself trapped in the very ideological black hole when in 1962 he tried to remove the ‘Islamic’ from the name of the country but failed in the face of reaction from his own indirectly elected National Assembly. In Husain Haqqani’s book Pakistan between Mosque and Military (Vanguard Books) the chapters on East Pakistan’s separation prove the inadequacy of the military doctrine ‘that a strong West Pakistan somehow defended East Pakistan through sheer deterrence’. biggrin.gif He also traces another doctrine – that of ‘strategic depth’, which came to grief with 9/11 – to early formulations of strategy. Because Pakistan did not have geographical depth when militarily confronted by a thousand-mile deep India, the army posited ‘fusion of the defence of Afghanistan and Pakistan’. Haqqani traces it, not to the timeline of Pakistan army’s decision to support the Taliban, but to Brigadier AR Siddiqi’s 1960 book Pakistan Seeks Security . Siddiqi leans on Fraser-Tytler’s suggestion that the two states be fused into one. Siddiqi’s typically military addendum to the theory was that since it can’t be done by force (‘fusion will lead to confusion’) Islamic ideology may be put to use. I am sure today Siddiqi will admit that it is the ‘fusion’ of Talibanisation with Pakistan that has led to more ‘confusion’. His conclusion: ‘Towards the west, Pakistan can have depth in defence’ (p.167). Pakistan was secure vis-à-vis India because of its nuclear power; it was vulnerable to Talibanisation because it had no weapon against it. PPP’s troubles after General Zia: General Zia was ‘mysteriously’ eliminated by someone in 1988, just after the two Shia massacres in Kurram Agency and Gilgit and the assassination of the Shia leader Ariful Hussaini in Peshawar which the Shias thought had been done by Zia. But after Zia, President Ghulam Ishaq and army chief Aslam Beg continued the Afghan-Kashmir-Punjab policy, with the difference that Aslam Beg now thought that Pakistan should defy the US a bit. But both were fearful of the PPP making a comeback and decided that an alliance of the PML with the religious parties, the IJI, should be fashioned by the ISI, leveraged with bribes to some very respectable politicians. Aslam Beg, who had been given a medal by the PPP, admitted having done the dirty deed. After the PPP won by a narrow margin, he got Ms Bhutto to agree that she would not control the Afghan, Kashmir and Nuclear policies of the army. (In a recent TV interview, Rear Admiral (Retd) Sirohey claimed that Ms Bhutto ‘volunteered’ this policy surrender rather than being asked by Aslam Beg to do so – KA.) ISI chief Hameed Gul got Jamaat’s Qazi Hussain Ahmad into the IJI by threatening his role in Afghanistan and told everyone that the PPP, whom he accused of having links with India, had to be thwarted or Pakistan would suffer. He said she had promised the US to curb Pakistan’s covert nuclear programme. In the event, the PPP was allowed to form government in Islamabad with a weak prime minister, but Zia’s protégé Nawaz Sharif was engineered into power as a strong chief minister in Punjab. Haqqani says Ms Bhutto gave away her right to control the army to Aslam Beg, got Yaqub Khan as foreign minister by deferring to the advice of US ambassador Robert Oakley, and gave Ishaq Khan the pledge to support him for another tenure as president. Anti-American Hamid Gul got the ISI to attack Yaqub Khan with not much resistance from an anti-American Aslam Beg, and Ishaq Khan clung to the presidency and was prised off it only after he had dismissed two governments in a row. In 1989, the anti-PPP phalanx suffered its first reversal but was not punished for it. Haqqani quotes General Khalid Mehmood Arif: ‘CIA got the ISI to commit the mujahideen to the infamous Jalalabad offensive against Najibullah’s Kabul regime’. Arif thinks Ms Bhutto let the Americans in on policy-making and that caused the rot, but the truth may be thatPakistan suffered because policy was for too long hijacked by such low-IQ generals as Aslam beg and Hameed Gul. Yaqub Khan quite understandably didn’t fit into the scheme of things. Aslam Beg, scourge of the PPP: The Americans confessed to having made the mistake of going along with the Afghan policy of the very officers who hated Ms Bhutto for being close to the Americans. In 1990, Ghulam Ishaq Khan dismissed the government, not before Aslam Beg had quarrelled with her over her anti-MQM operation at Pakka Qila in Sindh. Hameed Gul had been ousted from the ISI after the prime minister offered proof that he had been working against her. New elections in 1990 were pre-rigged in favour of the IJI whose leader was made the caretaker prime minister. Slush funds amounting to 150 million rupees ($3 million) were gouged by Aslam Beg from banker Yunus Habib and relayed to the IJI leaders through the new ISI chief, General Asad Durrani, one of the world’s most easily disliked persons, who had earlier been head of the MI. When trapped, Durrani told the Supreme Court he had handed out Rs 60 million to 20 anti-Bhutto politicians ‘in the national interest’. Beg told the Supreme Court that he was not answerable to the Court for doing what he did; only the army chief could call him to account. Of course none of the army chiefs that followed him called him to account, and that saved Durrani too, who continues to make himself thoroughly despised by appearing on the TV and shooting off his mouth on subjects he has no clue about, a little retarded in his understanding compared to Beg about what is happening to him. Aslam Beg continued in his reckless course with the new prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, who toed his line promptly, till he got into trouble in 1991 defying Beg’s advice that Pakistan side with Saddam in the Gulf War. Not even Ishaq Khan could stomach this kind of derring-do. He colluded with a very nervous Nawaz Sharif to oust Beg quickly by announcing the appointment of the next army chief a little bit in advance. A lame-duck Beg realised that, despite his honeymoon with pro-Saddam chest-beating clerics in the streets of Pakistan, his wisdom was not suited to Pakistan’s real needs. Old fox Ghulam Ishaq Khan: Haqqani must have known the deviousness and irreducible double-dealing of Ishaq Khan. The next army chief he chose – some say after ignoring Nawaz Sharif’s choice of Hameed Gul - was General Asif Nawaz, a ‘professional officer’ clearly disinclined to the hot-air ‘strategic defiance’ philosophy fashioned by Beg to appeal to all and sundry in Pakistan. What did that mean? Some people who met Ishaq Khan in those days quote him as saying that Beg was too reckless as a military leader. But why did Ishaq not choose an equally swashbuckling anti-American Hameed Gul as the next army chief, even though Nawaz Sharif had favoured him? Turning Gul down was no small matter. That meant flying in the face of the entire jihadist policy on the pretext of which he had agreed to put pressure on the PPP government. As recorded in Hekmatyar’s recently published book, when Hekmatyar met him and asked him to appoint Hameed Gul, Ishaq Khan disingenuously replied that the Americans had ordered him to ignore Gul. The Beg-Gul-Hekmatyar trio was rabidly anti-American and Ghulam Ishaq thought them too powerful to be seen disagreeing with them. He may have simply lied to Hekmatyar. But appointing a non-Islamist ‘professional’ officer to run the army had its own consequences. He found himself isolated within the structure that was supposed to be subservient to him; and he found himself under attack from Islamist ex-armymen serving prime minister Nawaz Sharif in the Intelligence Bureau. General Asif Nawaz thought he could get over his impotence by getting Ms Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif to make up. Meetings were set up, but it was Nawaz Sharif – more immediately heir to the legacy of General Zia and jihadi infrastructure – who ducked out, according to Haqqani. And when Asif Nawaz died suddenly of heart attack in 1993 his wife thought he had been killed by Nawaz Sharif’s ex-army lackeys! Haqqani should know because when Asif tried to get the politicians to straighten out their act, he was information adviser to prime minister Nawaz Sharif. The politician and the army: Haqqani establishes with some credibility that the army was opposed to the PPP ruling Pakistan. Who else was opposed to the PPP? Clearly, the PML under Nawaz Sharif, after it had made its transition from prime minister Junejo, a man of independent and democratic thinking, to the ‘progeny of General Zia’ (which included Haqqani himself), the religious parties, and an entire community of industrialists whose enterprises had been nationalised by the PPP in the 1970s. As Haqqani applies his mosque-and-military thesis later on to the situation under President Musharraf, his arguments become more cogent. Today, the PML (Nawaz) is in the process of regretting its pro-military identity. A number of its leaders starting with Nawaz Sharif himself have become confessional about the period of stubborn non-reconciliation with the PPP that Haqqani is referring to. Sitting in America and with his intimate knowledge of the political mind in Pakistan, Haqqani may now address the next conundrum: how much depth is there to this confessional mood? Compare it with the depth of the feeling of ideological vendetta the PML has nursed against the PPP in the past. Although the clerics of the MMA are in the opposition together with the PPP, their negative attitude towards the PPP is less ambivalent. It is quite possible that the PML-PPP polarity will require military intervention once again to keep Pakistan from becoming completely dysfunctional. It is equally possible that, far from believing that the army causes political rifts through the ISI to be able to establish its own dominance, we might have to think that it is actually the politician who needs the army to prevent his vendettas from annihilating him. Democracy is no ‘fix-all’ device. If a society is polarised, democracy may actually intensify that polarisation. In Bangladesh, there is an Awami League-Bangladesh National Party divide. Democracy has actually harmed the country because the army there no longer takes over. A clearer obstacle in accepting the mosque-and-military thesis is the unwillingness of the political parties to modify Pakistan’s textbook India-centric nationalism to facilitate the army’s final retreat from power. This is part two of the three-part review article on Husain Haqqani’s book ‘Pakistan between Mosque and Military’. +++++

Posted by: Mudy Sep 29 2005, 11:49 AM

Friday TImes

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Ittefaq Nama Night gone (raat gaye) Shbaz Saab called me. “Bhaijan, bhaijan, have you read?” he asked. “No”, I said, “I have billoo,” reffring to colour of my night suit. “No Bhaijan” Shbaz Saab said, “it is state ment of Musharraf. Have you read it?” “OYE, IN HELL MAY GO HIS STATE MENT!! Why I should read, hain ji?” I shouted. “He has put his foot in women of Pakistan who get raped for Canadian visa” Shbaz Saab said. “Fax to me” I said. (I am licking faxes because I am not licking the computer. You see I cannot read the computer). Fax, it was not from Shbaz Saab but from Washington Post. I called him “Fax, it is not from you. It is from Washington Post”. “I have sent” he said. “How?” I asked, “since when you are Washington Post?” “IT IS COPY!” Shbaz shouted. “CARE FOR YOUR MOUTH AND SPEAK!” I said, “moonh sambhaal kay baat karo!” Then your bhabi is snatching phoon from me. She is MA English (Punjab University), she is knowing everything. She read out article to me. Then she said, “shall I explain?” I said, “I am not that gone-passed, gaya guzra, I have understooded”. Naxt day, I wrote long latter to Canadian visa officer: “Dear Sir/Madman, thank you every so much for offering Canadian visas to all Pakistanis who get rapid. By this latter I am wishing to infarm you that I am extremely rapid and that you must immediately grant me visa for infinite stay in Canada and if you are wanting, I will tell you all circumstances of my rapidity and also that I will disclose identification of sundry rappers from Pakistan who may not be granted visas for Canada and you must tell to Tony that he should also not give it to them a sylum in Britain. Pakistani rappers will misuse a sylum in Britain just like they misuse a silo in Pakistan. It is for storing of wheat grains but Faujis they are hiding their bums in them. Who knows what they will put in a sylum? Lat me to assure you that Faujis they are having many bum but their biggest bum they are saying is of Abdul Qadeer Khan. It is lice. All lice. They are biggest rappers, these Faujis, and lyists. You tell, khud bataen, it is possible forQadeer Khan to sell his bum to Koreans if Faujis are not wanting, hain ji? But I am undressing. Let me to stay on subject of visa and not digress. Please send by return post”.

Posted by: Mudy Sep 29 2005, 11:53 AM

Gems from Friday TImes

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SUCH GUP No truck with truckers? The Pet Min, AKJ, has one of the most prized portfolios in Shortcut’s cabinet, and for obvious reasons. Not that poor Shortcut had anything to do with his appointment, apparently, coming as it did from the Qing’s Party’s bosses. At any rate, The Pet is riding high. So high that at a recent meeting with the Truckers’ Association, The Pet gave short shrift to their litany of complaints and was almost dismissive of their pleas, verging on the rude. The Truckers were apparently greatly irked by The Pet’s behaviour and one of them, being a rustic sort, gave as good as he got. He reminded The Pet that he was a johnny come lately to the high echelons of the corridors of power, and that his illustrious forebear had been a trucker just like the rest of them. “We are sitting here with you because your senior sat in a truck driver’s seat” said the irked leader of the Truckers’ Association, “so don’t give us any attitude!” Our mole reports that The Pet came down to earth in a jiffy and apologised profusely. The Truckers were molified. They proceeded with their meeting and The Pet uttered not a word till it was all over. Whither Young Turks? The real PM’s Chief of Staff has gone off, ostensibly on a month’s leave. Our mole, however, has a different story to tell. According to our mole the retired khaki has gone to the US for “a month” on “family business”; this period may well be extended but the question is, who’s going to fill his shoes back at the sanctum sanctorum? Our mole quotesreliable sources when he claims that the real PM’s next Chief of Staff will be the man who is currently at the core of things in Mangla. Tsk, tsk. Does this mean that the retired khaki’s group of Young Turks in Shortcut’s cabinet will have no protectors from now on? Could this mean that Shortcut has finally prevaild over the real PM and shaken off the patron of one of his most troublesome detractors amongst the Young Turks? Our mole says another Pindi connection of the retired khaki seems a trifle nervous these days, given his exclusion from the real PM’s US tour. Is the real PM gearing up to create a dynamic new team for when he crosses the Rubicon in 2007? Training junior The buzz in Isloo is that the Min of Trains has very resourceful offspring, the eldest of whom has set up office in our capital city’s E/7 district. Apparently, daddy is encouraging and helpful of his offspring’s budding career and asks all those who come as supplicants to him to “first go and see Junior”. Interestingly, Junior is fast acquiring a reputation for getting things done not only with regard to matters related to trains but also to do with The Pet. +++++
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Nuggets from the Urdu press Cricketer Yusuf Yuhana embraces Islam National cricketer Yusuf Yuhana was quoted in the daily Pakistan as expressing his dismay and anger at the repeated false stories in the press about his conversion to Islam. At the camp in Lahore, he refused to answer questions about his conversion and guided the reporters back to the newspaper that had published the ‘false news.’ When captain Inzimam was asked about Yuhana’s conversion, he said that while it was Yuhana’s personal matter, he would be greatly pleased if he embraced Islam. Two days later, the Nawa-e-Waqt and others reported that Yusuf Yuhana, now Muhammad Yusuf, had indeed embraced Islam in Makka along with his wife Tania, renamed Fatima. His Christian parents were deeply offended. His brothers also remained Christians. He had moved out of his Defence house where his parents lived, had taken his children out of an English-medium school and readmitted them in an Islamic school. He was influenced by fellow-cricketers and the Tablighi Jamaat. Mehdi Bhatti wins ‘mubahila’ Reported by the daily Pakistan, MNA Mehdi Hassan Bhatti went to a mosque in Hafizabad to challenge ex-nazim Col Ali Ahmad Awan, who had accused him of massive corruption, to mubahila (a match of mutual religious abuse in which the false party dies). Mr Bhatti had gone with his son, the Punjab minister for culture Shaukat Ali Bhatti, and had asked Col Ali Ahmad to bring along his son too, so that the sons may die along with their fathers after being proved false. The ex-nazim Col Awan did not turn up. So Mr Bhatti won the mubahila and was proved free of corruption. Pervaiz Elahi as PM? biggrin.gif Writing in the Jang, Hamid Mir said that in the 2005 local polls, the supporters of prime minister Shaukat Aziz have been defeated: Jehangir Tareen, Owais Leghari and Riaz Pirzada. When the time comes for the 2007 national election, Punjab CM Pervaiz Elahi will be the strongest candidate for the job of prime minister. In the opposition, the MMA and the ARD are already scattering. In the coming days the ANP will join up with Jamaat Islami, Imran Khan’s Tehreek Insaf and Muslim League (N) to challenge the Chaudhrys in power. Shabana gets out of hand in Norway According to Khabrain, Pakistani expatriate lady Shabana Rehman got out of hand in Norway and was having her nearly naked photos published local magazines. She was also given to insulting the most respectable clerics who often went from Pakistan to spread Islam among Pakistanis living there. She would come clad in a burqa then suddenly take it off in the meeting and insult the clerics. She was so rude to them that Norway gave her an award for being so outspoken. She thanked the mullahs for abusing her because that made her deserving of the award. Shabana went and embraced the most infamous mullah called Mullah Krekar, the Kurd terrorist now sheltering in Norway. The Pakistanis were most offended by Shabana but could not do much. She was from Karachi where she had relatives. One boy admitted that he had fired his pistol in front of Shabana’s house in Norway. Deoband abuses the Quaid again! Quoted in the Nawa-e-Waqt, Dr Justice (Retd) Javid Iqbal stated that he was most offended by the recent statement of the administrative head of a Deoband seminary in India that the Quaid-e-Azam Jinnah was not a Muslim. He said Deoband had in the past also apostatised Sir Syed Ahmad Khan and Allama Iqbal, which was unacceptable to Pakistan. He said that the clerics of Deoband had not accepted Pakistan and had joined the Hindu Congress, so it was not surprising that today Deoband had once again abused the Quaid. He added that it was for nothing that Allama Iqbal had written a poem against the Deobandi leader Hussain Ahmad Madni. Deobandi chief Maulana Marghubur Rehman said in India that far from being a secular person, Jinnah was not even a Muslim because he never said namaz and he drank alcohol. Indian cleric Marghub later wrote in to deny that he had said anything against the Quaid. Faraz on sex Sarerahe in the Nawa-e-Waqt said that Ahmad Faraz had said while on a trip abroad that marriage was the most expensive institution for gaining sexual pleasure. Even if sex was not available in a marriage, one had to pay for it. He said that religion and progress were opposed to each other. He also said that all prophets were first-rate politicians. The column added that Ahmad Faraz was the son of Maulana Abdullah Kohati who was in turn the khalifa (pupil) of the famous sufi, Syed Adam Banuri whose tomb was visited by all and sundry even today. Daud Ibrahim is not in Pakistan! According to Khabrain, India had asked Pakistan to surrender two criminals wanted in India. One was Daud Ibrahim who could not leave Pakistan to attend his son’s wedding in Dubai. The foreign office in Islamabad replied that Daud Ibrahim was not in Pakistan. The other criminal India wanted was Maulana Masood Azhar, leader of the banned Jaish Muhammad who was sprung from an Indian jail by hijackers in 1999. India in Afghanistan is our defeat Quoted in the Nawa-e-Waqt, ex-ISI chief General (Retd) Hameed Gul said that it was indeed ironic that the Pakistani ambassador to the US, General (Retd) Jehangir Karamat, was asking the US whether it was a friend of Pakistan or its enemy. He said that the coming of India into Afghanistan as a major power was a defeat for Pakistan. And America was the real ally of India, not of Pakistan. America was never a friend of Pakistan nor was it going to be. Was it to allow India into Afghanistan that Pakistan sacrificed 25 years of hard work and sided with the American attack? Gul said that the statement by Karzai and Manmohan Singh, that no fight against terrorism would be successful without Pakistan, was actually an accusation of terrorism against Pakistan. Rs 27 billion to madrassas annually Writing in the Nawa-e-Waqt, Irfan Siddiqi stated that people who wanted to give to charity obeyed the Islamic edict that charity should be given anonymously. The madrassas in Pakistan received Rs 27 billion every year. Can the government now ask the madrassas to give account and will it send the cases against the donors to NAB? More blasphemy from Salman Rushdie According to Khabrain, mal’oon Salman Rushdie in his new book Shalimar the Clown was now saying that the Quran should be accepted as a historical document instead of a holy book. Rushdie, 30 years ago, was a poor man who would eat a meal within three rupees, would not take a bath and would drink cheap wine and was known to stink from his body. He also ate pig and thought dirty thoughts. Meera is Khar’s daughter! According to Khabrain, Pakistan’s top actress Meera announced that she was the daughter of Mr Ghulam Mustafa Khar, Pakistan’s well known PPP leader. She said that her mother was first married to Khar but later divorced him to marry Sarwar Shah, who was not her real father. People around her said that her mother Shafqat Zehra had ‘known’ Khar as well as his brother Rafeeq Khar, therefore it was difficult to say whose daughter she really was. Meera denied that she had claimed Khar as her father but she promised to ask her mother about the real situation. The paper said that because of suspicion of contacts with the underworld, the Bombay police had started tailing her. Meera told Khabrain that she often called Khar daddy on the phone which was intercepted by Indian newspapers and publicised. She said that Khar came to her house often but her real father was still Sarwar Shah. Hafeez Jullundhari meets Jullundhari shopkeeper According to Ataul Haq Qasimi inthe Jang, the writer of the national anthem of Pakistan, Hafeez Jullundhari, went to a shop and said: ‘I am Hafeez.’ The shopkeeper did not recognise him, which upset him. He said: ‘I wrote the national anthem.’ Again the shopkeeper showed no enthusiasm. He then said: ‘I wrote Shah Nama Islam.’ No reaction. Finally he said, ‘I am Abul Asar Hafeez Jullundhari, the writer of the national anthem of Pakistan.’ The shopkeeper suddenly got up and embraced him and said: ‘Sir, I too am from Jullundhar!’ Multan clamps down on actresses According to the daily Pakistan, the Multan cultural vigilance committee had served notices to Aliza (Dawn Theatre), to Niha (Khayyam Theatre), to Anita (Starlet Theatre) and to Anila (Sangam Theatre) for violating the ‘charter of decency.’ They were asked to present themselves at the office of DDO Multan city to clarify their position. Another actress, Nida (Khayyam Theatre), was served a last warning after which she would be banned in the whole of the Punjab. She was famous through her CDs too. How Zubaida Begum was killed Columnist Hamid Mir wrote in the Jang that Zubaida Begum of Dir Bala in the NWFP stood for her union council election in 2001 and was elected unopposed despite reservations from the elders. She was a teacher and a social worker and was quite popular with the women. She organised the local women and was able to improve the roads and sanitary conditions of her constituency. In 2005, she was popular enough to fight the district nazim election but the elders warned her against taking part. She did not obey them and was gunned down in July 2005 along with her daughter

Posted by: Naresh Sep 29 2005, 02:43 PM

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/sep-2005/30/letters6.php laugh.gif India and US have started naval exercises at Koochi (India) since Monday. They also have a plan to start joint military exercises that include Britain in the Occupied Kashmir. US has installed a radar system in Tibet. US is also providing all the latest military equipment including radar system, missile technology, F-18 etc. to India. The question is that they are training against whom? Pakistan is frontline ally of US in War on Terror and is also romancing India in a protracted friendship dialogue. US, basically, wants to achieve two objectives. One, it wishes to contain and counter China in Asia by creating a countervailing force in India. Two, it wishes to suppress the emerging movement of Khilafah which has the potential to spread from central Asia, Persian Gulf and south Asia. Pakistan has the capability to unite and lead the Muslims of this area due to its strong army and vast intellectual and human resources. To achieve these targets US want to strengthen India as regional power. These exercises are a step in that direction. To achieve its objectives, the US wants to solve the dispute of Kashmir between India and Pakistan so that the two regimes can put their defense in joint control. As a consequence, Pakistan will naturally be expected to rollback its nuclear program as it is India specific. Pakistan will thus be reduced in its regional status to something like Nepal or Bhuttan. -TAHIR AKBAR, Islamabad, via e-mail, September 13. Cheers

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Uprooting religious rage and reaction : Najam Sethi's E d i t o r i a l I most countries of the world, bombs do not go off in crowded places killing innocent citizens. But even in those few in which civilians or military institutions are targeted, the bombers are either inclined to identify themselves and take responsibility, or the government usually knows who is behind the attacks. For instance, in Israeli-occupied territories, various Palestinian resistance movements publicly take responsibility for the bomb attacks. Similarly, various jihadi organizations are quick to claim “credit” for the bomb attacks in Indian-occupied Kashmir. When the bombs were going off in Algeria and Egypt in the 1990s, the radical underground Islamic groups proudly left their calling cards all over the place. Equally, when Al-Qaeda activists attack Western targets these days they are not only ready to say that they did it and why, but also to warn that more will follow. But Pakistan must be one of those rare countries in the world in which bombs have been going off routinely in the last twenty years, killing innocent people, while the government of the day either hasn’t quite known whodunit or hasn’t been prepared to take the public into confidence about the blowback consequences of its foreign policies. Indeed, official fingers have often been pointed at more than two or three possible perpetrators, the all time favourite being the “foreign hand” of India through its RAW intelligence agency. But if memory serves us right, the other hot historical foreign contender has been KHAD, the Afghan intelligence agency, which was alleged to be responsible for a spate of bomb attacks in the NWFP, Karachi and Punjab in the 1980s and early 1990s when Pakistani “interference” or “strategic involvement” in Afghanistan was at its height. Indeed, we are reminded of a famous statement by the then information minister Mushahid Hussain in the 1990s when Karachi was laid low by bomb attacks in which he alluded to a mysterious link between “three Ks” – Karachi, Kabul and Kashmir – suggesting that Karachi was paying the price of our military adventures in Kabul and Kashmir. Of course, many bomb attacks have baffled even our evergreen conspiracy theorists. Who planted the bomb many years ago that destroyed a small culvert on PM Nawaz Sharif’s route to his family farm on Raiwind road near Lahore, and why? Who was responsible for the bomb attacks on Shia or Sunni congregations in Quetta, Karachi, Jhang, Lahore some years ago – was it one sectarian organization or another or was it some foreign hand that wanted to trigger a sectarian war in Pakistan in order to destabilise the country? Similarly, no one has claimed responsibility for the bomb attacks on the American consulate in Karachi or on the bus in which many French naval engineers were killed some years ago. Was it RAW scaring away foreign military experts or was it the local branch of Al-Qaeda attacking a Western ally of America? Worse, the government has rarely caught the bombers or told the public why they carried out the bombings. The two recent “bicycle bombs” in Lahore defy any readymade explanation. There was no sectarian cause this time like the one behind a similar bicycle bomb that was planted on the premises of the lower courts in Lahore by a religious fanatic in the mid 1990s. India’s RAW is also an unlikely candidate because the two neighbours are moving to mend fences and the level of alleged “Pakistan-inspired” terrorism in Indian held Kashmir has significantly abated in recent months. Nor is this likely to be the handiwork of Al-Qaeda operatives in Pakistan – according to General Pervez Musharraf, their organizational structure has been smashed by the Pakistani military and whatever is left is confined to their hideouts in the tribal badlands of Waziristan bordering Afghanistan. So whodunit, why, and will more follow? To be sure, there are a lot of angry, frustrated, alienated, disgruntled people and groups in Pakistan who might be motivated to express their sentiments in this fashion. The Baloch Liberation Army, for instance, has claimed responsibility for planting bombs to damage gas pipelines and electrical installations in Sindh, Balochistan and Southern Punjab. Equally, there are hundreds of footloose religious fanatics trained in Afghanistan and Kashmir with all sorts of scores to settle with General Musharraf for thwarting their domestic and regional ambitions. Many are outraged by his recent moves to normalize relations with India and Israel and crack down on Al-Qaeda activists at the behest of America. Even the mainstream religious parties like the Jamaat i Islami and Jamiat i Ulema i Islam are bristling at General Musharraf’s attempts to curb their zeal. In fact, these parties now see General Musharraf personally, rather then the Pakistan army, as the key stumbling block to their political ambitions. Are we then about to enter a period of militant “Islamic” reaction to a pro-West military dictator in Pakistan as happened in Algeria and Egypt in the 1990s? This is a frightening prospect. That is why the government should not trifle with ready-made, “foreign-hand” conspiracy theories for a moment longer. It is time to knuckle down and uproot the causes of religious rage and reaction that threaten Pakistan in myriad ways Fridaytimes.com

Posted by: Mudy Sep 29 2005, 04:39 PM

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India’s negative vote on Iran was expected - Ejaz Haider Indian analysts who say that it is still time for New Delhi to go back and reassert itself tend to forget that doing so would mean unravelling the entire structure of India's foreign and security policies as it has evolved since 1998 . India’s negative vote against Iran at last Saturday’s crucial meeting of the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which resolved to refer Tehran to the United Nations Security Council for possible sanctions, has invoked much criticism in India. Some analysts have called it shameful while others lament that India’s foreign policy is independent no more; still others have termed it a volte-face. It is somewhat surprising that these analysts – the validity of their opinion notwithstanding – should have thus reacted to New Delhi’s move. Consider. References to India’s autonomy and leadership of the non-aligned movement during the cold war are anachronistic. Indian analysts have to face the fact that since President Bill Clinton’s March 2000 visit to India, and now with a multi-dimensional strategic partnership with the United States, India does not have the same space to do as it pleases in the way it could when it had not cottoned on to Washington. Looking at the various phases of India’s partnership with the US – NSSP, Defence Pact and the Nuclear Deal – it should be clear that at every step, even as India gained some leverage for itself, it also relinquished, incrementally, its freedom of action. This should have been expected. Every policy has its flipside and alliances are always tricky business, especially for states that choose to partner the core state in an alliance system. The core state, by its very nature, must retain the ultimate advantage or it will lose its status as the central element of the alliance. While India has perched itself on vantage ground because of its partnership with the US, its fall is directly proportional to the distance it has travelled vertically, should it decide to assert its independence. To use a cliché, it can’t have its cake and eat it too. In all fairness to Indian policymakers, New Delhi, by voting against Iran, has shown that it is prepared to pay the price for its strategic alliance with the US to get its benefits. As I wrote in TFT (“India’s long-term benefit”; August 5-11, 2005): “…if US-Indian relations do blossom further, as they will, the US would be setting the stage for India to emerge as a major power and, eventually, as a pole the US will have to contend with. India knows this and may even forego some immediate benefits for the larger prize a couple of decades down the line.” During the cold war, and until the nineties, India had traditionally looked at the US with suspicion. But things began to change with the 1998 nuclear tests. The dialogue between New Delhi and Washington slowly brought the two together. India carefully choreographed the show, indicating to the US that it was amenable to striking a deal if the US were prepared to accept it as a leading partner in the region with the capability to project force in the Indian Ocean. Relations got into the fast lane with the coming to power of the Bush administration. For all its bonhomie with India, the Clinton administration had remained wedded to old-style non-proliferation. The Bush administration isn’t. That has removed the basic irritant. India prepared itself to take advantage of the new system the Bush administration was trying to put in place and for which the events of September 11, 2001 gave it (US) a strong pretext. From non-proliferation (more aptly, counter-proliferation) to ballistic missile defence to the use of force and eradication of Islamist extremism to globalisation to environment etc, the Bush administration began to set down new rules. India assessed, and not entirely wrongly, that it had finally got its chance to add value to its assets. Its status as a nuclear weapon state, the rising fortunes of its diaspora, its growing relations with Israel and the close connections between the Indian-American expatriates and the Jewish lobby in the US and its economic growth were all factors that could be exploited to India’s advantage. Even more to the point, the US was prepared to de-hyphenate its South Asia policy from India-Pakistan to treating the two separately according to each state’s usefulness to America. As Art Buchwald once put it in his brilliant depiction of the fictional Samuel Suchard – “a pro-Maoist, antiwar, antidraft Leninist-anarchist” – in You Can’t Buck the Establishment , India, having been invited to the Metropolitan Club for lunch – indeed, having worked hard at the invitation to that lunch – can’t go back to leading demonstrations “against the White House, the Pentagon, the US aircraft carrier Enterprise and the YWCA”. There is structural logic in what has happened. Critics need to realise – and this is also proved by the fact that the Congress-led government has been no less eager to court the US than the BJP-led NDA dispensation – that India, for good or bad, has taken a route for which there is consensus at least in the mainstream strategic enclave. In fact, recent events disprove earlier hopes by left-liberals and secularists that the Congress-led government, both because of its Nehruvian traditions and its heavy dependence on support from the Left parties, will put the brakes on India’s pro-US slide. Such analyses fail to discern the emerging pattern in India’s strategic goals and objectives. Post-September 2 statement on Iran in the IAEA, India realised that it would not be able to square off its relations with the US, especially the nuclear deal with its (India’s) desire to continue in the same vein with Iran. This much was also visible in the way Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh tried to play down – and nearly discredit – the pipeline deal with Iran while being on the US soil and in the aftermath of the Joint Statement. At stake for India is the space it has acquired for itself in the nuclear club without having had to sign the NPT. Additionally, there are the benefits of getting dual-use technology from the US and cooperation in civilian nuclear technology and energy generation. Together the various components of the strategic partnership provide to India the position and clout it has always aspired for, but which has eluded it so far. The fact is that India has displayed the ability to play multiple actors. It has been unfortunate vis-à-vis Iran because of the peculiar nature of Iran-US relations and the threat the US and Israel feel from that country. Even so, until the vote at the IAEA, India did try to play both sides. The decisive factor was the manner in which the US Congress debated the issue of making a nuclear deal with a country that wanted to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds. While officially India has tried to put a gloss over its vote, calling it in line with its policy, statements by former foreign office officials make it clear that India knew what it was doing and chose to side with the US because that is where it feels its core interests lie. On the energy front also, India feels that even if it loses out on the US$7 billion pipeline project, it could be recompensed for that loss by nuclear energy, other pipelines, domestic finds and LNG deals. Currently, Iran supplies about 5 percent of India’s total energy requirement. Indeed, those analysts who were still averse to a pipeline running overland from Pakistan would have reason to feel happy. Of course, this means a reassessment of the whole project by Pakistan, which had come to look at it as the flagship of the normalisation process. The talk, post-IAEA vote, that the pipeline remains in the pipeline seems more for the sake of form than substance. If the US is really bent upon denying Iran the deal, India will have no option but to fall in line. Chances are that India, having done what it considered was essential for it to do, would try to control damage. The idea floated by the US to create a multilateral fuel bank by “blending down” HEU (Highly Enriched Uranium) to LEU (Low Enriched Uranium) and providing that to countries that verifiably forego the capability to enrich uranium or process plutonium, could be used by India to reach out to Iran. A similar idea by IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei may be even more attractive to some countries. The cornerstone of ElBaradei’s idea is that supply of LEU should be guaranteed and should be free of any political pressures. In other words, such a fuel bank, which aims at reducing the ‘breakout’ risk associated with the capability to enrich uranium, should be under the supervision of the IAEA rather than the US government. However, no matter how India might want to reach out to Iran post-IAEA vote, relations have suffered between the two. Iran has already indicated it in so many words. This means that the US has extracted the price and India, at this stage, has deemed fit to pay it. Indian analysts who say that it is still time for New Delhi to go back and reassert itself tend to forget that doing so would mean unravelling the entire structure of India’s foreign and security policies as it has evolved since 1998.
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Posted by: Naresh Sep 29 2005, 04:54 PM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-9-2005_pg3_7 laugh.gif Sir: We hear everyday of new links with India eg more buses, more trains, more flights. I wish to point out here the hazards of the restoration of rail links with India. The fact that the Russian rail gauge is about 1,520 mm and the European standard gauge 1,435 mm, made it impossible for the invading German armies during World War II to transport their tanks, guns, ammunition and men to the heart of Russia by rail. Having a number of rail links besides the road links will increase Pakistan’s vulnerability vis-à-vis India. biggrin.gif Also, Pakistan Railway has only about 600 locomotives 2,000 passenger coaches and about 20,000 freight wagons. What benefit can it derive from sharing its network with the Indian railway which has about 8,000 locomotives, over 35,000 passenger coaches and over 220,000 freight wagons? SYED AH RIZVI Via email

Posted by: k.ram Oct 2 2005, 05:59 AM

Primers Of Hate History or biology, Pakistani students get anti-India lessons in all their textbooks AMIR MIR http://www.outlookindia.com/fullprint.asp?choice=2&fodname=20051010&fname=Pakistan+%28F%29&sid=1 When Mohammad Qasim stepped out to participate in the declamation contest held to celebrate Pakistan's Independence Day, the topic he was to speak on was: 'Why Islam and Pakistan are integral to each other'. Instead, this Class XI student of Lahore's Government Central Model School lashed out against the Hindus, giving vent to inexplicable anger and hatred. This was particularly shocking because the Hindu community, constituting an infinitesimal percentage of Pakistan's population, hasn't been an aspect of Qasim's life. Asked to explain his outpouring in the contest, the 14-year-old boy said, "We hate Hindus because they are Hindustanis and the number one enemies of both Islam and Pakistan. We know it all through our history and Pakistan Studies books. We learn what happened years ago all the time at school." Qasim's explanation illustrates vividly the inimical impact of school textbooks, where history is manipulated to foster national chauvinism, where knowledge becomes a vital tool in the construction of national identity, where the sense of nation is promoted through veritable lessons in bigotry, hatred and gross misrepresentation of history. The extracts (see box) culled out from textbooks taught in government schools demonstrates how the ruling establishment, under the aegis of President Pervez Musharraf, is misusing books to develop an anti-India, anti-Hindu mindset--and also fan sentiments against Christians, Jews and the West. The regime's control over the education system is exercised through Lt Gen (retd) Javed Ashraf Qazi, who heads the federal education ministry. Head of the ISI between 1993 and 1995, Qazi supervised the recruitment of students from Pakistan's madrassas for constituting the extremist Taliban militia. These textbooks came under the scanner following a story in the Los Angeles Times highlighting the tilt against non-Muslims. "Thousands of Pakistani children learn from history books each year that Jews are tight-fisted moneylenders and Christians are vengeful conquerors," the newspaper said. It expressed astonishment that such lessons are taught not in madrassas but in government schools of a country whose leader (Musharraf) is an ally of the US in the war against terror. The LA Times report prompted the US administration to voice its grave concern over the textbooks to Islamabad. US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told a news briefing last August, "The issue is a matter of serious concern for Washington and the Bush administration would like the Pakistani leadership to effectively address it." Minister Qazi subsequently claimed efforts were afoot to revise and reform the public school curriculum. But the gargantuan nature of the task can be illustrated through the mindset dominant in the Islamabad-based National Curriculum Wing (NCW). Functioning directly under Qazi's ministry, the NCW sets the guidelines for the four provincial textbook boards which publish course material for government schools. The NCW issued a directive in 2002 laying out the following objectives: nurture in children a sense of Islamic identity and pride in being a Pakistani and regard Pakistan as an Islamic country and acquire deep love for it. Ignored was the possibility that a child in school could be non-Muslim and might feel alienated because textbooks equate the Pakistani with Muslim. Although the subject of Islam, or Islamiat, is compulsory only for Muslims, the directive awarded an extra 25 per cent marks to a non-Muslim student should he or she opt for the course. The 2002 directive was issued a month after then education minister Zubaida Jalal had directed the NCW to revise history books taught in public schools. Scientist and educationist Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy feels the ongoing redefinition of education, first initiated under President Zia-ul-Haq, will have profound illiberal implications for Pakistan."A new concept of education now prevails, the full impact of which will probably be felt when the present generation of schoolchildren attains maturity." Not only have the Pakistan rulers divorced education from liberal and secular ideals, they also view it as essential for Islamising society and forging a new national identity. Hoodbhoy explains, "Important steps have already been taken in this direction: enforcement of chador in educational institutions; organisation of congregational afternoon prayers during school hours; compulsory teaching of Arabic as a second language from Class VI onwards; introduction of reading the Quran as a matriculation requirement; alteration of the definition of literacy to include religious knowledge; establishment of an Islamic university in Islamabad; introduction of religious knowledge as a criterion for selecting teachers; and the revision of conventional subjects to emphasise Islamic values." Renowned historian Dr Mubarak Ali says the westernised liberal elite, which had inherited power from the British, had given to education a basically secular and modern character. "However, the self-seeking and opportunistic elite in independent Pakistan simply abandoned liberal values because of political and economic exigencies," explains Dr Ali, adding that this trend has impacted adversely on the education system. The debilitating role of the political class in Islamising the education system can best be illustrated through an example. In March 2004, the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), the fundamentalist alliance of five religious parties, disrupted the National Assembly proceedings and staged a walkout claiming that a certain reference to jehad as well as other Quranic verses had been excluded from the new edition of a state-prescribed biology textbook. The MMA threatened to launch a protest movement if the Quranic verses were not reinstated. However, then education minister Zubaida Jalal clarified that no chapter or verses relating to jehad (holy war) or shahadat (martyrdom) had been deleted from textbooks, and that the particular verse referring to jehad had only been shifted from the biology textbook for intermediate students (Classes XI and XII, that is) to the matriculation level course (Class X). The education ministry never bothered to inquire--as most people familiar with the discipline of biology logically would--why there were references to jehad in the biology textbook in the first place. The illiberal nature of Pakistan's education system was brought out in pitiless detail by the Sustainable Development Policy Institute (SDPI), Islamabad, in its report 'The Subtle Subversion: The State of Curricula and Textbooks in Pakistan'. Authored jointly by A.H. Nayyar and Ahmed Salim, the 140-page SDPI report illustrates, through examples, how the education system is contributing to the culture of sectarianism, religious intolerance and violence. Some of the important findings of the SDPI are: the current curriculum and textbooks are "impregnating young and impressionable minds with seeds of hatred" to serve a self-styled ideological straitjacket; substantial distortion of the nature and significance of actual events in Pakistan's history; insensitivity to the existing religious diversity of the nation; promotion of perspectives that encourage prejudice, bigotry and discrimination towards fellow citizens, especially women and religious minorities and other nations; a glorification of war and the use of force; and incitement to militancy and violence, including encouragement of loaded concepts like jehad and martyrdom. The SDPI report, however, also exposes America's hypocrisy.Claiming that the concepts of jehad and martyrdom were incorporated into the Pakistani curricula after the start of the so-called Afghan jehad against the Soviet occupation troops, the SDPI report says, "At that point, it suited the US and its most allied of allies, Pakistan, to encourage and glorify the so-called mujahideen, or holy warriors, in the war against the Russians. An American institution of higher education was asked to formulate textbooks for Pakistani schools accordingly. The University of Nebraska at Omaha, which has a center for Afghan Studies, was subsequently tasked by the Central Intelligence Agency in the early eighties to rewrite textbooks for Afghan refugee children. The new textbooks included hate material even in arithmetic books. One question asked, 'If a man has five bullets and two go into the heads of Russian soldiers, how many are left'?" But the context changed dramatically post-9\11. A research thesis exposed in 2002 the role of Americans in writing pernicious textbooks. The SDPI report states, "Since the Soviets are no more, the mujahideen have not only mutated into Taliban but have also outlived their usefulness, the same American University (the University of Nebraska at Omaha) has been given an additional grant by the Bush administration to re-re-write textbooks, taking out material on jehad, etc." America's hypocrisy apart, it is in Pakistan's interest to delete from textbooks hate material and ensure today's schoolchildren are groomed into liberal, democratic, secular Pakistanis, harbouring hatred for none and love for all. magazine | Oct 10, 2005 'Hindu, Enemy Of Islam' These are extracts from government-sponsored textbooks approved by the National Curriculum Wing of the Federal Ministry of Education. "Before the Arab conquest people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists & Hindus." "Before Islam people lived in untold misery." "European nations have been working during the past three centuries...to subjugate countries of the Muslim world."

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------------------------------------------------------------------------ Class IV * The Muslims of Pakistan provided all facilities to the Hindus and the Sikhs who left for India. But the Hindus and the Sikhs looted the Muslims in India with both hands and they attacked their caravans, buses and railway trains. Therefore, about one million Muslims were martyred on their way to Pakistan. * The Hindus treated the ancient population of the Indus Valley very badly. They set fire to their houses and butchered them. * The religion of Hindus did not teach them good things, Hindus did not respect women. Class V * After the war of 1965, India with the help of Hindus living in East Pakistan, incited the people of East Pakistan against West Pakistanis. In December 1971, the Indians themselves also attacked East Pakistan. As a result...East Pakistan separated from us. We should all receive military training so that we can foil the designs of the enemy in the future. * The Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam. Class VI * In the middle of the city of Deebal (Sindh), there was a Hindu temple. There was a flag hoisted on top of it. The Hindus believed that as long as the flag kept flying, nobody could harm them. Mohd bin Qasim found out about this.... The Muslims began to catapult stones at the temple and at the flag, ultimately making it fall to the ground. The whole city became tumultuous and the Hindus lost heart. Some Muslims clambered up the walls of the temple and forced open the door. Qasim's army entered the city and after conquering it, announced peace. The Muslims treated the vanquished so well many Hindus converted to Islam. * Before the Arab conquest the people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists and Hindus. * The foundation of the Hindu setup was based on injustice and cruelty. * The Hindus who had always been opportunists cooperated with the British. * The Hindus used to please the goddess Kali by slaughtering people of other religions. Class VII * Some Jewish tribes also lived in Arabia. They lent money to workers and peasants on high rates of interest and usurped their earnings. They held the whole society in their tight grip because of the ever-increasing compound interest. * History has no parallel to the extremely kind treatment of the Christians by the Muslims. Still the Christian kingdoms of Europe were constantly trying to gain control of Jerusalem. This was the cause of the Crusades. * European nations have been working during the past three centuries, through conspiracies or naked aggression, to subjugate countries of the Muslim world. w Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation. Several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase Muslim culture and civilisation. * The Hindus too wished to ruin Muslim civilisation and culture by destroying Urdu which has been closely associated with the Pakistan Movement. Class VIII * During the Khilafat Movement Hindus and Muslims were completely united and like brothers and they started to cooperate and live in peaceful togetherness. But as soon as this movement ended, Hindu hatred of the Muslim re-emerged. * Before Islam people lived in untold misery all over the world. Class IX * The Hindus and the Muslims...could not amalgamate each other's way of life to become one nation.The main reason for this difference of cultures, civilisation and outlook was the religion of Islam which cannot be assimilated in any other system as it is based on the principle of...oneness of God....On the other hand, Hinduism is based on the concept of multiple Gods....There lies the difference between the Hindu and Muslim way of thinking. * In connivance with the (British) government the Hindus started communal riots and caused loss of life and property.At the time of prayers the Hindus tortured the Muslims by playing music in front of the mosques. Before the commencement of classes the students saluted the portrait of Mahatma Gandhi and Muslim students were also forced to do so. * Muslims promoted equality and social justice as against the division (created by) the (Hindu) caste system. Class X * (The ideology of) Pakistan...was a revolt against the prevailing system of India in which Hindu nationalism was imposed on the Muslims.... * Islam gives a message of peace and brotherhood.... There is no such concept in Hinduism. Moreover Islam preaches brotherhood, equality and justice.... On the other hand, the Hindu society is based on caste system which downgrades the entire mankind. * After the establishment of Pakistan the Hindus and Sikhs created a day of doom for the Muslims in East Punjab. * The Hindus were encouraged by the (British) government to force the Muslims to join the Congress.

Posted by: Kumar Oct 2 2005, 10:24 AM

I think Tahir’s heart is in the right place. Pakistan should be reduced to Bakistan. But please do not insult Bhutan. Bhutan is a great country. No comments about Nepal though. One more nit picking. How in this world USA was able to install a radar in Tibet to counter China?

Posted by: Kumar Oct 2 2005, 10:30 AM

Mr Rizvi is correct. Railway contact with India would be fatal for Pakistan. We will be able to invade Pakistan via railroads. smile.gif It will add one more dimension of worry for Pakistan.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 2 2005, 07:51 PM

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How in this world USA was able to install a radar in Tibet to counter China?
Its on Indo-China border, inside India and still kicking. biggrin.gif
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We will be able to invade Pakistan via railroads
Pakis are expert in blowing railway line it will take secs for Madarsa PhD to be martyr.

Posted by: Naresh Oct 2 2005, 11:54 PM

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We will be able to invade Pakistan via railroads
Pakis are expert in blowing railway line it will take secs for Madarsa PhD to be martyr.
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Mudy Ji : Well Said Indeed. My thoughts exactly. Cheers

Posted by: Mudy Oct 3 2005, 10:59 AM

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200510031301.htm?headline=India,~Pak.~sign~accord~on~pre-notification~of~ballistic~tests biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mudy Oct 5 2005, 12:06 PM

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Pakistan's first gay marriage prompts tribal death threats PESHAWAR: Pakistani tribesmen have threatened to kill a gay couple who got married in a traditional ceremony, the first in the conservative Islamic country, witnesses and a report said Wednesday. A 42-year-old Afghan refugee tied the knot with a local tribesman of 16 in snow-covered Tirah Valley, part of the remote Khyber tribal region which borders Afghanistan, they said. Gay marriages are unheard of in Pakistan, where sodomy is legally punishable by death, but the tribal regions where security forces have recently been fighting Islamic militants are governed by their own laws. "I witnessed the marriage in Tirah Valley three days ago," tribal elder Millat Khan told a foreign news agency by telephone. "When I came to know that it was a gay marriage I left the party without taking food." A local Urdu-language newspaper said the elder man, named as Liaquat Ali, had fallen in love with a local boy called Markeen, "who is now his male bride". It said that the boy's parents were poor and agreed giving their son's hand in marriage for 40,000 rupees (about 667 dollars). "The marriage was held amid usual pomp and show associated with a tribal wedding," it said. A tribal assembly, or jirga, in the remote area told the newlyweds on Wednesday to leave the area immediately or face death for "breaking all the religious and tribal values and ethics", according to Khan. Malik Waris Khan, a prominent local politician and former federal minister, also confirmed the marriage had taken place. "I checked the report with people in Tirah Valley and they confirmed it," he told a foreign news agency. Khyber faces Afghanistan's Tora Bora mountains, where US-led and Afghan forces are thought to have briefly trapped Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in late 2001 before he managed to escape.
Naresh ji yeh Kya ho raha hai. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mudy Oct 5 2005, 02:32 PM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_5-10-2005_pg1_1 * Islamabad and Delhi agree to consider Sir Creek demarcation * Natwar says second round of talks better than first * Kasuri says a degree of ‘understanding’ on Siachen reached Lets see how they can achieve Sir Creek demarcation? India should prepare for long battle on Gujarat front. It seem Natwar had better biscuit and samosa this time. Which degree 30 or 180?

Posted by: acharya Oct 5 2005, 04:15 PM

Reply to Topic First of all let me tell you that I have been to India and what I wrote was something I observed during my stay in Delhi. I have myself been to the slums of Delhi where Muslims are living and had long interviews with the poor Muslims of the city. Their plight further convinced me that creation of Pakistan was really the need of the hour. I am not saying that no Hindu is living below poverty level in India, but the ratio of poverty is much higher amongst the Muslims. According to a rough estimate approximately 90% of the Muslims of India are living below poverty level while the total ratio of Indians who are living below poverty level is much lower. According to the Indian sources Muslims are about 13% of the total population of the country. But if we look at their representation in the government service we don’t find more than 1% Muslims at higher level and not more than 2.5% Muslims at the lower level. Muslims in Indian police have even less representation. Muslim’s representation in the country’s highest legislature was at the maximum 2.8%. No year pass when at least 200 Muslims have been killed in communal violence. Only in the year 1990, 850 Muslims were killed in different incidents of communal riots in India (it excludes the Muslims who were killed by state sponsored terrorism in Kashmir). Sir if you do not believe in the ‘biased Pakistani media’ then I will recommend you to read Dr. Omar Khalidi’s book ‘Indian Muslims since Independence’. Dr. Khalidi is an Indian academician. One more thing which I failed to understand is that do you think that Indian Muslims are mad as they are not ready to avail opportunities or even while having resources are not ready to spend their lives in comfortable way. As far as my poor knowledge about Islam is concerned living comfortable is not prohibited in the religion and Muslims of Pakistan are living according to their status. I never said that all Hindus are biased against Muslims but I think you will agree with me that the Hindu extremism is very fast gaining popularity in India. Probably nobody in this world can justify sectarian violence and I am not an exception. If Muslims of Pakistan are doing something wrong, I believe one should condemn that and majority of the people of Pakistan are trying their best to get rid of this problem we are facing.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 5 2005, 07:00 PM

In 1947, Hindu population in Pakistan was 15% now its less than 2%, in India Muslim population was 8% now 12%. India should do same as Pakistani did, whole problem will be solved and equal equal always works well with Pakis. Poverty is due to breeding. Start having 1 or 2 kids half of muslim poverty will be solved.

Posted by: Bharatvarsh Oct 6 2005, 04:30 AM

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Their plight further convinced me that creation of Pakistan was really the need of the hour.
Ofcourse it will convince you, even though Muslims at the time of partition were about 40% of the army and majority even in the police. It was Hindus and Sikhs who got independence for India through their blood and sweat while the Muslims were serving their British masters, go live in Pakistan if you are so convinced.
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to a rough estimate approximately 90% of the Muslims of India are living below poverty level while the total ratio of Indians who are living below poverty level is much lower
And how does this prove persecution?, if they breed like pigs ofcourse they will live in poverty.
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But if we look at their representation in the government service we don’t find more than 1% Muslims at higher level and not more than 2.5% Muslims at the lower level. Muslims in Indian police have even less representation. Muslim’s representation in the country’s highest legislature was at the maximum 2.8%. No year pass when at least 200 Muslims have been killed in communal violence. Only in the year 1990, 850 Muslims were killed in different incidents of communal riots in India (it excludes the Muslims who were killed by state sponsored terrorism in Kashmir)
Being in the police and army requires proper education, not madrasa education and stop being melodramatic, the Sikhs are about 10% of the army even though they are only about 1.6% of India and this is even after Khalistan movement, they showed that they are loyal, so its not due to prejudice but Muslims dont have any qualifications required to be in the army. About communal violence, stop chatting bull, most of the riots are started by Muslims and Hindus just respond, and it is Hindus who were ethnic cleansed out of Kashmir so stuff your melodrama.
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Dr. Khalidi is an Indian academician.
Dr.Khalidi is a Jihadi who wants butchering of Hindus like during partition when Muslims had a high % in both army and police which they used as a weapon to butcher Hindus and Sikhs.
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I never said that all Hindus are biased against Muslims but I think you will agree with me that the Hindu extremism is very fast gaining popularity in India.
Good, let it gain, after years of suppression of Hindu feelings it is finally coming out, if you are so fond of Muslims go live in Pakistan (the country whose creation you are so fond of).

Posted by: k.ram Oct 6 2005, 07:54 AM

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My formula to beat terror Jerusalem Post; 9/20/2005; PRESIDENT PERVEZ MUSHARRAF Tuesday, September 20, 2005 -- The following are substantial excerpts from an address delivered by Pakistan's president at an unprecedented meeting with American Jewish leaders in New York on Saturday night. This is a unique occasion. It signifies an endeavor for mutual understanding in a time of uncertainty and fear. Your invitation card described this event as a historic occasion. For a leader of Pakistan, it is indeed so, and I feel privileged to be speaking to so many members of what is probably the most distinguished and influential community in the United States. The world has entered an era where a number of threats - terrorism, political conflicts, proliferation, poverty - have assumed global and catastrophic dimensions. They have to be resolved urgently and with finality. They cannot merely be managed in the hope that they can be resolved later. We can no longer leave these wounds festering. They pose a great danger to the world at large and our future generations. Each people, nation and religion must live with each other, accommodate each other and do no harm to each other. Today, truly, we are our brother's keeper. The major monotheistic religions of the world - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - share a common heritage and converge on a multiplicity of universal values. Yet today, our great religions - which should be a source of hope, tolerance and peace - are seen to be pitted against each other. On this occasion, it is relevant to recall that Jews and Muslims have more similarities and few divergences in their faith and culture. The oneness of God is common only to Islam and Judaism. The Muslim greeting, Salam Alaikum (peace be upon you), is akin to the Jewish greeting, Shalom, which also means peace. When I watched the last scene in the famous movie Schindler's List, it concludes with a quotation from the Talmud: "Killing one innocent person is like the murder of humanity, and saving one innocent person is like saving humanity." These identical words appear in the Holy Koran. According to the Holy Koran and our Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, Jews and Christians are the "People of the Book," belonging to the same spiritual tradition. Abraham, Moses and Jesus are among the most revered prophets of Islam. Moses is the prophet who is most frequently referred to in the Holy Koran. Our experiences and histories intertwine in many regions of the Old World and most significantly in the Holy Land. The history of interaction between the Islamic and Jewish communities is rich and long. Many Jewish historians have referred to the days of Muslim Spain as the "golden period," when Jewish communities flourished intellectually, politically and economically in an environment of religious tolerance and scholarly inspiration. The subsequent wrath of the Inquisition was suffered jointly by Muslims and Jews. Indeed, over the centuries, Jewish communities and Islamic societies from Central Asia to Spain have not only lived together and shared prosperity, but also suffered together. The past six decades are, therefore, an aberration in the long history of Muslim-Jewish cooperation and coexistence. It is relevant to recall that the gulf between the Muslim and Jewish communities arose in what was the bloodiest century in human history, marked by world wars, genocide and mass deportations, in which millions perished. It was in this bloody century that the Jewish people suffered its greatest tragedy - the Holocaust - whose commemoration will be on the agendas of this year's session of the United Nations General Assembly. It was also in this brutal century that other peoples suffered their greatest tragedies - Palestinians, Kashmiris, Bosnians, Rwandese. We must not forget, but we must forgive. Suffering often engenders anger, but this must be soon replaced by compassion. And we have witnessed such compassion from the Jewish community. It was Jewish groups in the US who were in the forefront in opposing the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Bosnia. There are a host of challenges we all face in common - political, social and environmental. One of the most pervasive threats we confront is international terrorism. The world today is in the grip of terror. Explosives, car bombs, suicide bombers have all added a new destructive dimension to terrorism. Terrorism threatens to destabilize all modern societies. It is anti-progress. It must be rejected. It cannot be condoned for any reason or cause. The people of Pakistan have suffered from terrorism. We continue to suffer because of extremism in our region. We are making our contribution to the fight against terrorism. Pakistan is participating in international action against international terrorism through police and military action, intelligence sharing and measures to curb terrorist financing. But I believe we cannot limit ourselves to fire- fighting and local actions against individuals and groups. We should also look for the deeper causes of this malaise and for the motivations that drive individuals to extreme irrational behavior, to commit acts of terrorism. The question that arises is: What pushes a human being to such extremes of desperation that he takes his own life to kill others? I have no doubt whatsoever that any attempt to shy away or ignore the root causes of terrorism is shutting one's eyes to reality and is a sure recipe for failure. Military action or use of force against the terrorists today is not, in itself, the ultimate solution to the malaise. It merely buys us time to implement profound politics to eliminate the phenomenon. A parallel danger lies in fallacious theories and polemical campaigns motivated by prejudice. The postulated clash between civilizations, specifically between Islam and the West, has no basis in history. There are attempts to associate Islam with terrorism and even suggestions that this great religion of tolerance, compassion and peace somehow denies espousal of these universal values. To my mind, this is a hate campaign. In today's dynamic world, we need more than ever before to foster understanding and harmony among societies. Therefore, I strongly support the endeavor to promote interfaith and inter-civilizational dialogue and harmony. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif HOWEVER, IT is fact that, today, most of those involved in terrorist acts, as well as most of those who suffer the consequences of these acts, are Muslims. Obviously there is a deep disturbance and malaise within Islamic societies, which has become especially acute in recent years. The reasons are plain to see. Since the end of the Cold War, almost every major festering problem and conflict affects and torments the Islamic world. Palestine has been at the heart of the troubles in the Middle East. In our region, Kashmir has been the source of tension and conflict. The unfortunate history of Afghanistan spawned extremism and terrorism. Turmoil in Iraq causes great concern in the Islamic world and the rest of the international community. These and other political issues have given rise to a deep sense of anger, desperation and humiliation in the Arab and Muslim populations. It is this political and social environment which breeds terrorism and extremism. At the same time, I do not shy away from pointing to the failure within the Islamic societies to embrace reform, progress and modernity. The Muslim world emerged from decades of colonization, politically, economically and socially stunted. Political independence did not always lead to good governance. Many of us have remained trapped in a time warp, still struggling to reconstruct our political, social and economic systems to respond to the challenges of our times. In Islamic societies, there is a divide between the outlook of the protagonists and the custodians of Orthodoxy. The resultant economic deprivations and social backwardness are also the source of extremism. And extremism creates a fertile recruiting ground for terrorism. If we are to succeed against terrorism and end extremism, we must, therefore, address the root causes. The leaders of today must change the course of events instead of merely react to a series of catastrophic events - like 9/11 or 7/7. First of all, I feel we need to clearly understand that terrorism and extremism are two different phenomena. Each requires a different strategy. Lumping terrorism and extremism together, or behaving as if they are synonymous, is a fallacy. Terrorism has to be met head on with all the force required to suppress and eradicate it. In the case of extremism, the battle has to be won in the hearts and minds of the people. It cannot be achieved through the use of force. In the immediate context, terrorism, as I said, has to be confronted with force all over the world. At the same time, to ensure success, it is essential, together with the use of force, to promote the resolution of political disputes, which are exploited by terrorists to justify their criminal actions. Among these political disputes, may I be allowed to say clearly that the Palestinian and Kashmir disputes are ripe for resolution. One can draw satisfaction from the fact that visible signs of movement are appearing towards an end to both these disputes. We ought to put our collective weight behind a push for their final solution. Secondly, for the long term, the socioeconomic revival of the Muslim world, focusing particularly on education and poverty alleviation, will also erode the core of terrorism and extremism. I have strongly advocated reform, social and economic progress and rejection of extremism in Islamic societies. In parallel, I have emphasized that the international community, particularly the West, must facilitate the resolution of outstanding problems, in particular the problem of Palestine. I have described this two-pronged approach as Enlightened Moderation. The strategy of Enlightened Moderation blink.gif , at the global and Muslim world level, will also help to end extremism. The misuse of religion to spread militancy, hatred and violence has to be suppressed. An international discourse as well as national debate in affected societies must be initiated. In the Muslim world, I feel we need to initiate a serious discourse to promote an understanding of the true Islam. I would be remiss if, while addressing the American Jewish Congress, I did not express my views on the Israeli- Palestinian problem. I do not have an iota of doubt that this lies at the heart of terrorism in the Middle East and beyond. Both parties involved - the Israelis and the Palestinians - must shun confrontation and pursue peace and reconciliation. Israel rightly desires security. This will remain incomplete until the creation of an independent and viable Palestinian state is assured. Israel must come to terms with geopolitical realities and allow justice to prevail for the Palestinians. The Palestinians' desire for freedom and nationhood is as intense as that of any other people. They want their own independent state and they must get it. We see hope in recent events. We have welcomed the Israeli decision to pull out of Gaza. The peace process, as set out in Road Map, must be pursued as agreed. We hope Israel will also soon withdraw from the West Bank. This will set the stage for the establishment of the independent state in Palestine. By respecting Palestinian aspirations, Israel will attain its legitimate desire for assured security. I am convinced that peace in Palestine, that does justice to both the Israelis and the Palestinians, will bring to a close the sad chapter in the history of the Middle East. It will revive the historical ties between Islam and Judaism. It will extinguish the anger and frustration that motivates resorting to violence and extremism. What better signal for peace could there be than the opening of embassies in Israel by Islamic countries like Pakistan? There will indeed remain the difficult final status issues to be resolved. None is more sensitive than the fate of the Holy City of Jerusalem (which we call Al-Quds al- Sharif). It is a city that is sacred to Jews, Christians and Muslims alike. It was the first Qibla of Islam. The first edict of Caliph Omar when he entered Jerusalem, over 14 centuries ago, was to annul the 500 years of exile of the Jewish people. He invited them to return and build their homes in the Holy City. For durable peace and harmony between Israelis and Palestinians - indeed between Israel and the whole Muslim world - it is such a gesture of reconciliation and realism that is required of Israel today. Any final settlement should respect the international character of Jerusalem as well as international law and the resolutions of the Security Council. I have always believed that the courage required to compromise and reconcile is far greater than that required to confront. I appeal to Israel to show that courage. I appeal to the American Jewish Congress, and the entire Jewish community, to use their considerable influence to put an end to the Palestinian dispute once and for all and to usher in a period of peace and tranquility in the Middle East and perhaps the whole world. Failure is no longer an option. Let me conclude with a word about the prospects of Pakistan's relations with Israel. Pakistan has no direct conflict or dispute with Israel. We pose no threat to Israel's security. We trust that Israel poses no threat to Pakistan's national security. But our people have a deep sense of sympathy for the Palestinian people and their legitimate aspirations for statehood. In response to the bold step taken by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to withdraw from Gaza, Pakistan decided to initiate an official contact with Israel. And, as you know, the foreign ministers of the two countries met in Istanbul through the good offices of our Turkish friends. As the peace process progresses towards the establishment of an independent Palestinian state, Pakistan will take further steps toward normalization and cooperation, looking towards full diplomatic relations. We can remain mired in old prejudices and keep the world hostage to the politics of perennially defining and redefining our enemy, or we can move forward with courage and reach out to work for the rebirth of history and a new future of peace, harmony, mutual respect, dignity and shared prosperity. The responsibility to make the right choice is in our hands now. May God guide us all to make the right choice. Copyright 2005 Jerusalem Post. All Rights Reserved

Posted by: Mudy Oct 6 2005, 08:33 AM

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Islamabad and after The Pioneer Edit Desk After last month's disastrous meeting between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf in New York, during which the General first stormed and then sulked over what he perceived as India's intransigence on making concessions that he can flaunt as success to his domestic constituency, the latest bilateral dialogue in Islamabad was not expected to produce path-breaking results. Yet, to his credit, Minister for External Affairs Natwar Singh has been able to put the composite dialogue process back on rail and send out a clear message that India remains committed to enlarging the scope of its engagement with Pakistan. Credit is also due to Foreign Minister Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri of Pakistan who, perhaps more than anybody else in Gen Musharraf's team, realises that existing issues of bilateral discord cannot be unravelled within a matrix of inflexible positions. Given the broad commonality in the approach of Mr Natwar Singh and Mr Kasuri, it is not surprising that the Islamabad round of talks has yielded a sort of forward movement - the India-Pakistan Joint Commission, which deals with issues related to cooperation in trade, agriculture, health, science and technology, has been revived after a gap of 16 years and both sides have agreed to do some homework on demilitarisation of Siachen before the third round of composite dialogue begins. In fact, it is important to note that for the first time some serious and purposeful discussion has taken place on the ways and means of demilitarising Siachen. It is one thing to make a flying visit to the glacier and announce the Government's pious intention of converting Siachen into a "peace mountain" - as the Prime Minister did - but it is quite different when it comes to pulling out of the area. Defence strategists in India have rightly called for verification of positions before the troops begin to pull out; the Pakistanis are reluctant to officially acknowledge Indian positions and are insisting on unilateral demilitarisation. Hopefully, between now and the third round of composite dialogue, the conflict between the Indian and Pakistani positions will be resolved by working out the details of the six-point agenda of disengagement that has been prepared. Meanwhile, the Government would do well not to get carried away by the rhetoric of peaceniks who believe they have a cast iron solution to each and every problem. And that solution invariably comes packaged as a 'confidence building measure' - more trains, more buses and now more trucks. If candlelight vigils at Wagah border and Government subsidised international travel could solve existing areas of disharmony between India and Pakistan, then there would have been no cause for concern. Reality, however, is far removed from the foggy notions of conflict resolution that are spun out at conferences and seminars by busybodies who are eminently disqualified to come anywhere near policy formulation. South Block must act in the best interest of the nation while dealing with India-Pakistan relations and not be swayed by those who make a fetish of "thinking out of the box". Nor should we countenance any attempt by the US Administration to influence the course of the India-Pakistan composite dialogue process because that would amount to compromising our national interest. It is believed, and not without reason, that the Bush Administration is keen that Mr Manmohan Singh should offer some concessions to Gen Musharraf. If the Prime Minister gives in, he will inflict a grievous injury on the nation. dailypioneer.com/indexn12...nter_img=1

Posted by: Viren Oct 6 2005, 12:40 PM

Bharatvarsh, Different take on the same quotes by that Paki:

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Their plight further convinced me that creation of Pakistan was really the need of the hour.
Creating of Pakistan might have been the need of the hour in '47 thanks to the people who created the circumstance for such a creation, but can Pakistan's blame anyone but itself for all those crys for freedom we hear from Pakistan? It's just a matter of time that we see Baloch, Sindhu, NWFP, PoK, Bugtis etc accelerate the clock and create their own little nations. Even the CIA report predicts Pakistan not existing as a nation by 2015 (or was it 2010?)
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to a rough estimate approximately 90% of the Muslims of India are living below poverty level while the total ratio of Indians who are living below poverty level is much lower
Read the sentence again, the Paki didn't have any data to match his rhetoric so he makes up the numbers. Let's play a stats game here - given the fact that the richest man in India is a muslim and 3 out of the top 5 richest women in India are muslims, if we take out their incomes of these 4 people, will this Paki conclude that more than 100% of muslims are below poverty level!!
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No year pass when at least 200 Muslims have been killed in communal violence.
Take in the population of Indian and the number of muslims. Then take the population of Pakistan and consider the number of Shias being killed weekly. It'll be evident to even a braindead paki that that the need of the hour is to create some half dozen new mini-Pakistans.
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I never said that all Hindus are biased against Muslims but I think you will agree with me that the Hindu extremism is very fast gaining popularity in India.
I think if there was no muslim extremism or if there was no Christian extremism or no commie/Naxal extremism there would be no Hindu extremism. Besides no types of extremism will be able to scale the global pinnacle of popularity conquered by the islamic extremism today.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 7 2005, 09:16 AM

THE FRIDAY TIMES: 07 -13 October 2005

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Military’s professional accountability : Dr Ayesha Siddiqa General Haq was excited. He was to become the first Pakistani general, an Air Defence officer, to have flown an F-16. It earns him laurels because even at his age he is fighting fit and can fly a supersonic aircraft In the famous film, Top Gun , actor Tom Cruise starring as Flt. Lt. Pete Mitchell, call-sign Maverick, is being reprimanded by the commander of the aircraft carrier for not landing his plane when instructed. The commander shouts out: “What you should have done was land that plane. You don’t own that plane; the taxpayers do. Son, your ego is writing cheques your body can’t cash.” While most viewers remember the famous film for the bravado and good looks of Cruise, the film is punctuated with dialogues that say a lot about the political culture and the nature of civil-military relations which inform the story of the film and in the way it unfolds. Even a brilliant pilot like Maverick was asked to appreciate the fact that the millions of dollars worth of fighter aircraft he was flying was a trust of the people that he could not put to risk because of his passion for stunts. This, of course, is a dialogue that would be mouthed by every military commander who abides by the Huntingtonian norms of professionalism. In certain other places, personnel might know how to click their heels but may not be mindful of their obligation to people that provide the nation’s resources for the military. Reading the recently reported story of Chairman JCSC, General Ehsanul Haq Khan’s exciting experience of flying the F-16s brought to mind these thoughts. The four-star general flew the sophisticated aircraft for the first time. He flew it despite being advised against doing so because of the age factor and he flew it even though he was flying an aircraft after 38 years. The last time he piloted an aircraft was as a young cadet. General Haq was excited. He was to become the first Pakistani general, an Air Defence officer, to have flown an F-16. It earns him laurels because even at his age he is fighting fit and can fly a supersonic aircraft. Which other general has done this? And that too with a plane paid for by the taxpayers? Anyone would be excited about flying an aircraft. For years, I have dreamt of flying a fighter aircraft. I had even discussed the possibility of robbing some bank to pay US$5000 or more to fly a Russian MiG-29 for an hour. Apparently, the Russians offer a commercial deal for air enthusiasts. Now I know there are other ways of flying a fighter aircraft, an F-16 at that, such as being a Pakistani general. Did the general have the professional expertise to fly the aircraft? None. As I said before, he was flying an aircraft after more than three decades. Normally, even authorised pilots are not allowed to fly an aircraft unless they get a certificate of ‘currency’. This means that someone has to certify that the pilot has had current experience of flying a particular aircraft. But General Ehsan had what millions of Pakistani taxpayers do not have: the political license of power to risk a US$20 million fighter aircraft bought with the taxpayers’ money of a poor country. Intriguingly, the news was reported as a great feat by General Haq, and he was even quoted as saying that the test drive was no fun and games. Should one be gloating over General Haq’s brilliance and bravado that he managed to fly even though he was well past the authorised age to fly a hi-tech, state-of-the-art fighter aircraft and was warned against taking controls? Or should one wonder why someone of General Haq’s seniority and professional competence chose to violate basic rules and in the process risk public property? What is even more interesting is that neither the army chief nor the air chief objected to this feat by the Chairman JCSC. The military should know the importance of standardisation of rules and operating procedures more than any other organisation. The procedures are placed and emphasised for the safety of the personnel and the security of state and its property. The problem in this case, however, was the absence of any authority to implement this principle. Since the air chief owes his position and his service’s refurbishment to the army, which controls the state, he did not think it prudent to object to General Haq’s desire to fly an F-16. The PAF is about to acquire approximately 225-plus aircraft that includes 100 F-16s, 125 JF-17 Thunders and a few Indonesian transport aircraft. There is too much at stake for the air chief to worry about a few million dollars of taxpayers’ money, especially when the officer bending the rules is Chairman JCSC, the general responsible for approving weapons procurement deals. Nonetheless, the air chief’s silence is worrying. What else might he ignore to jeopardise a common Pakistani’s security? The army chief, who is also the president and should have firmly admonished General Haq, has not reacted either. This is because he possibly cannot say anything to him. Years of political intervention have made every service chief and military president politically more impotent than his predecessors, especially when it comes to his own constituency, the armed forces. Starting from General Ayub Khan, every general venturing into politics and governance, has had to concede greater power to his colleagues. Giving them perks, privileges, greater authority and power is a sure way of mustering support of the top brass. The sweeteners are essential to command support because any general is capable of becoming the army chief, and, hence, the president. Therefore, the army chief-president has to grant greater power to his peers so that they would not eye his position and continue to support him. This empowerment takes several forms and has negative spin-offs as well. Losing the power to implement standard operating procedures and disciplining personnel is one such repercussion. In fact, the incident shows how lax the organisational control has become. The ability to control or discipline peers and junior colleagues is progressively declining. As compared to previous military governments, this one does not even have the capacity to discipline its officers professionally. The army and air chief will not react at all to a senior general’s unrestrained behaviour because they cannot afford limiting the power of an equal member of the junta. In principle, each member is equal and, technically, Chairman JCSC is even senior to the army chief. So each equal member can threaten the leader of the ‘pack’. However, this scheme is also counter-productive. What is done in the name of protecting one’s own is actually a recipe for gradual and systematic weakening of the top-most leadership and the organisation. Every act of leniency in both professional and extra-professional acts dilutes the overall organisational discipline. Here, one would like to apply the basic rules of predatory behaviour. Newer and more aggressive members of a ‘pack’ tend to gradually dispossess older members of power. In a bureaucracy, lax discipline is extremely problematic because one action gradually acquires the form of a precedence and by doing so threatens to displace rule of law. If, today, General Haq is not questioned for misusing public property, another is not criticised for being disrespectful to a policeman, or a junior officer is not punished for human rights violations, the culture that will develop out of these transgressions would slowly strip the top man of the power to discipline his men for other excesses. Acts of indiscipline will begin to multiply. The lesson that an average officer of the Pakistani military has taken home from the three incidents mentioned above is that power is the key. As long as the organisation has power, one is in a powerful position within the military bureaucracy, or an act of indiscretion could be framed as a matter of the organisation’s ego, anything could be done without fear of consequences. One would certainly like the Parliament to take up the issue at the highest level. This is a matter worth taking to the National Security Council. An average Pakistani wants guarantee of his security and not senseless risk-taking at public expense.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 7 2005, 09:18 AM

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Mosque, military and textbook nationalism : Khaled Ahmed’s A n a l y s i s Husain Haqqani in his book Pakistan: between Mosque and Military (Vanguard Books) has not delved into the textbook controversy in Pakistan, but, reading the Pakistani textbooks, one is compelled to draw the conclusion that the paramountcy of the army in Pakistan cannot be removed unless the textbook nationalism of Pakistan is altered. Agreeing with Haqqani’s basic thesis of India-centricism of this indoctrination, one has to take note of the almost universal resistance in Pakistan to any changes in the anti-India curriculum fashioned in Islamabad. In the post-2000 period most of the attempts made by the Musharraf government to detoxify the textbooks have failed. This move was aimed at eliminating two elements in the books: the anti-India (strategic depth) reference and its corollary, the reference to Islam (internal fusion of identities in order to face India effectively). The ruling party PML was subliminally distressed by the task. The PML (Nawaz) was vehemently opposed to taking out the ideology from the books. The religious parties came out in the streets till the project was laid aside. Anti-Indianism necessitates the dominance of the army and the army needs Islamisation to secure its back as it faces India. The opposition in Pakistan wants the army out of power but wants to retain the textbook nationalism, a policy that contains two mutually destructive passions. The only party capable of grasping the importance of altering the nature of Pakistan’s nationalism – the PPP - is humbled by the brainwash of the Punjabi vote-bank in favour of this nationalism. Nawaz Sharif, the Jamaat and the ISI : Haqqani reveals that after Nawaz Sharif got the divided mujahideen to agree to an interim government after the fall of the Najibullah regime in Kabul, Pakistani army helicopters actually flew Hekmatyar and his men to a place outside Kabul so that he could take over as a member of the mujahideen cabinet. Pressured by the ISI and his IJI cohort, Qazi Hussain Ahmad, Nawaz Sharif had toed the line on Hekmatyar, but he was becoming aware that Hekmatyar had no support among even the Pushtun mujahideen. During his first tenure he did try to ‘balance’ the Afghan policy, but the cumulative pull of the ISI and Jamaat Islami on his vote-bank was too strong for him to resist. In 1993 after the Nawaz Sharif government was ousted from power and Ms Bhutto once again returned to rule Pakistan, the establishment was still rolling with its old momentum. Even the intelligence agencies under her were divided. Hameed Gul ‘cells’ existed in the ISI and the ‘professional’ army chief continued to feel weak and besieged by the ghostof General Zia. Ms Bhutto was even more vulnerable to the pressures the military put on her with regard to the Kashmir policy, which was clearly falling apart in the mid-1990s, with the US declaring the big operator in Held Kashmir – the Harkatul Ansar militia – a terrorist organisation. The new ISI chief General Javed Ashraf Qazi told the Americans he knew nothing about the banned Harkatul Ansar and therefore could not arrest any of the Harkat leaders. The banned militia resurfaced as Harkatul Mujahideen, which was to become the most dreaded military arm of Al Qaeda in the days to come. The generals thought as one on Kashmir and India. This is one thesis on which Haqqani cannot be faulted: from Iskander Mirza and Ayub Khan to Ziaul Haq, Jehangir Karamat and Musharraf, Islamist and non-Islamist generals alike, were unwilling to help a prime minister shift away from an India-centric worldview. Nawaz Sharif and Ms Bhutto were both blackmailed into pretending to advance the Kashmir policy and actually use it as a plank during election campaigns. It is moot if the weak ‘professional’ army chiefs too were similarly blackmailed. Post-Zia reality of weak PM and weak army chief : The second PPP tenure also saw the Hamid Gul ‘cell’ type of rogue military officers masterminding a takeover which would be politically fronted by philanthropists like Abdus Sattar Edhi and Imran Khan. (Haqqani doesn’t mention Imran and is skimpy on detail.) This was followed by an actual attempt at an overthrow in 1995 led by a major general who was ‘allegedly’ patronised by the ex-ISI chief General Javed Nasir of the Tablighi Jamaat. A ‘weak’ army chief was also to be targeted by the coup-plotters together with Ms Bhutto and her government. Was the next ‘weak’ (professional) army chief General Jehangir Karamat able to punish the coup-plotters? Evidence is that he avoided confronting the ‘strong’ elements within the army whom a more thoroughgoing ‘correction’ would have offended. General Javed Nasir kept snubbing the weak army chief even after he was ousted from the ISI. Haqqani reveals that he authorised the 1993 attack, through Indian underworld figure Daud Ibrahim, on the Bombay Stock Exchange, which killed 250 as a revenge for the destruction of Babri Masjid by Hindu fanatics. That was the year that Javed Nasir was prematurely retired from the ISI, only to be given a more important ‘India-related’ job in the Evacuee Property Trust in Lahore regulating the Sikh properties in Pakistan and therefore the traffic of Sikhs to their shrines. Who gave him the job? Javed Nasir’s list of ‘enemies of Islam’ at the ISI included ‘the United States, Hindu leadership of India and the Zionists’. Musharraf fired him from his Lahore job also in 2002. His pro-Kargil Operation articles in the press, written in the low-IQ but highly spiritually uplifting style of Hamid Gul, did not save him in the end. Kashmir first, Pakistan second : When Nawaz Sharif came to power for the first time (1990-1993) he was steamrollered into pushing the Kashmir policy. Despite foreign secretary Shaharyar Khan’s reasoned argument that Kashmir could not be won through jihadi militias, he inclined in favour of the ISI making the clandestine Kashmir policy more clandestine in the face of rising American objections. The covert policy swing out of control under Ms Bhutto in 1993 as Mast Gul, a Jamaat Islami hero of Charar Sharif, was paraded in the streets of Pakistan by the ISI against her wishes, during which Mast Gul condemned her government! She appealed to the US to come to her help ‘against militancy and terrorism’ but the truth is that militancy and terrorism were emanating from the military and the American routine was to support whoever was powerful so as not to ‘go against the people of Pakistan’. Haqqani narrates the story of how in 1998 Nawaz Sharif was compelled to mend fences with Lashkar-e-Tayba in Muridke near Lahore when Governor Punjab and federal information minister called on its leader and praised him and his terrorist forays into India. He doesn’t mention it but the fact is that Mushahid Hussain - ‘the other fixer’ - had gone to Muridke to apologise to Hafiz Saeed on behalf of the prime minister for inadequate past support. He also mentions the October 2001 attack by Jaish Muhammad on the Kashmir assembly in Srinagar. It first owned it, but later denied it. Then in December the same year Lashkar-e-Tayba attacked the Indian parliament, bringing the Indian army eyeball-to-eyeball with the Pakistan army on the borders. Musharraf arrested Hafiz Saeed but let him go after keeping him in safe custody for some time. Take Afghanistan, give Kashmir : He says the ISI handed the jihadis a ‘severance pay’ to ask them to quit jihad because its heat was too much to bear for Islamabad. When it arrested their leaders, it usually let them go after some time. There is reference to Fazlur Rehman Khaleel of Harkatul Mujahideen who has been the subject of an extremely special treatment by the ISI during times when other jihadi leaders were on the run. Khaleel was the logistics man of Osama bin Laden and had co-signed the 1998 fatwa of death against the Americans with Osama bin Laden. He was in the camp when the Americans unsuccessfully targeted Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan after the Al Qaeda bombing of USS Cole. The recent confession of Hamid Hayat in the United States - that he took terrorist training in one of Khaleel’s camps in 2003 - has further exposed Khaleel and called in question Musharraf’s declared policy against the jihadis. Haqqani’s chapter on Musharraf is the mainstay of his book. He quotes him in 2004 to prove that Musharraf ‘sacrificed Afghanistan’ to retain hold over Pakistan’s nuclear weapons capability and the claim to Kashmir. This means that a major political obstacle complicating the role of the political parties in Pakistan has been eliminated. The prime ministers will no longer have to genuflect to the militias and their leaders because they were fighting the army’s proxy war in Afghanistan. But how could the retention of the Kashmir policy, and thus the India policy, remove the steel-ball of military domination from the ankle of Pakistan’s democracy? Wouldn’t the militias and their dreaded leaders make a comeback as a part of the ‘Kashmir option’? Musharraf says he knows what is possible to do in Pakistan and what must be postponed till the odds become less adverse (not quoted by Haqqani); but this period of ambivalence is costing him his credibility, in India as well as, more importantly, in the United States. Ideology is the sticking point : What about the mosque-and-military thesis? Is Musharraf really personally committed to loosen the clerical noose the military has tightened around the neck of Pakistan? Not if he retains his old India policy and the proxy war option that Pakistan army has taken so well to heart. Haqqani notes that General Javed Hassan of the Kargil Operation fame - whose book personified the Indian state as ‘presumptuous, persistent and devious Hindu’ – was till late his close partner in power. (He now heads Lahore’s Administrative Staff College after a stint earlier as head of the National Defence College in Islamabad.) More ironically, even though his feud with the ‘pro-Afghan jihad’ religious parties appears to be no put-on show, he has to live down the fact that in the ‘pre-rigged’ election of 2002, the MMA got 20 percent of the seats in the National Assembly. In the PML ruling party today there are holdovers from the old ISI-moulded political order who openly contradict Musharraf’s pronouncements on enlightenment and moderation and will not allow reforms in madrassas and the national syllabus. What came first, the army-sponsored India policy or army-sponsored Islamic extremism? Haqqani ends the book with a well-argued concluding chapter proving that it was the India-centrism of Pakistan that finally brought it to Islamic extremism. The myth of India not accepting Pakistan and India attacking Pakistan was perpetuated beyond the actual contours of early threat and continue to be mouthed even after the acquisition of nuclear deterrence by Pakistan. Is it a kind of an ‘anticipatory’ argument to conceal the Pakistan army’s intent on attacking India? And Pakistan ideology? It is the army’s answer to its fear that some communities within Pakistan might not show the same level of commitment to the India policy decided by the army. Haqqani says normalisation of relations with India is the only available solvent to what the military has done to Pakistan. But has Musharraf shown evidence of changing the ideological orientation that stands in the way of this normalisation. Haqqani doesn’t think so. Part three of the three-part review article on Husain Haqqani’s book ‘Pakistan: between Mosque and Military’.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 7 2005, 09:19 AM

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Force and legitimacy: an a priori connection? : Ejaz Haider The ongoing debate in the US about the use of force and legitimacy is the effort to resolve the dilemma between force and law by somehow removing the tension between unilateralism and multilateralism Former French foreign minister Hubert Védrine famously called the United States Hyperpuissance . There has been debate before, but especially since September 11, 2001, over whether the US is an imperial power. Some prefer to call it a Hegemon . Americans do not regard their country as an imperial power. But as Niall Ferguson says in Colossus: The Rise and Fall of the American Empire : “It may…be therapeutic to determine the precise nature of this empire – since empire it is, in all but name.” Call the US what one might, it is a great power and like all great powers prepared not just to defend its core interests but also its peripheral interests. And defending the state’s interests inevitably pushes one into a discussion of the use of force and how it can be legitimated. Since 1945, when the US, at the head of allied powers, put together the UN system and with it an elaborate net of international laws and norms, it has used force several times. The difference this time is owed to two factors: 9/11 showed that some threats may not be deterrable through normal means; two, the Bush administration has given space (officially and indirectly) to those security experts and thinkers who have long advocated that the US has unnecessarily tended to act soft in dealing with present and potential threats and it must be free to tackle them without regard to international norms, if need be. This approach calls into question the entire UN system and the various components it is made of. In doing so, it requires a new definition of multilateralism. At the heart of it lies the current US dilemma of how to use force when America considers it imperative for its security without the constraints of multilateralism, international law and other norms while – and this is important – continuing to enjoy the dividends of that system. One obvious question would be: Why can’t the US just bull in and let these concepts be damned? It would like to do so and in Iraq it more or less did that. But Iraq has also taught the US a lesson. It is easier to go in but difficult to get out, especially when the allies are not convinced that going in was the wise thing to do. The second problem is that multilateralism primarily springs forth from the kind of world system the US needs to perpetuate its power. Its constraints, notwithstanding, multilateralism is also useful. To discard it completely would mean a system-vacuum. That would be equally dangerous for the US which needs a system in and through which it can retain the leadership role as a global power. It thus wants to be able to act unilaterally when it can – and must – but enjoy the fruits of multilateralism, without its constraints, if it can help it. In other words the US wants to get the best of both worlds. The ongoing debate in the US about the use of force and legitimacy has to be seen in this context: how to resolve the dilemma between force and law by somehow removing the tension between unilateralism and multilateralism. This came out clearly in the Brookings conference on Force and Legitimacy held in Dubai (Ejaz Haider, “Force and legitimacy: evolving US thinking – I, TFT , September 23-29). The interesting aspect of the debate, however, is that it continues to be pegged to Iraq and now increasingly brings in the factor of Iran. Not much mention is made of Afghanistan, which in more ways than one has recessed into the background. The point to note in this regard is that the United Nations Security Council gave a unanimous nod to the use of force in Afghanistan through UNSC resolution 1267. The US thus went into that country with a legitimate casus belli . Why must that case not be referred to, especially when it offers such a good example of addressing US interests through a multilateral framework? Also significant to note is that the UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan did not set up the High-Level Panel on Threats, Challenges and Change after Afghanistan. That panel looked into the issue of when and how force may be used after Iraq. This distinction is important because it may hold the key to why the world has come to look at the US as an imperial or a hegemonic power. Hence also the question of whether the US wants to transform its imperial moment into an episode (Ejaz Haider, “US war on Iraq and lebensraum”; TFT , September 20-26, 2002) Iraq did not beget a consensus because the US did not have a legitimate case for attacking that country. The web of reasons the Bush administration tried to weave around the issue was unconvincing. But while this criticism is valid, it is equally important to understand that the impulse to attack Iraq sprang from the concept of pre-emptive strike and preventive war: an adversary that will be a threat in the future rather than being one in the present. The problem with this approach – in the way we have seen it unfold in the case of Iraq – is that there can be no certainty about a potential threat because it lies in the future. The other problem is the way the National Security Strategy doctrine tended to conflate the two distinct concepts of pre-emption and preventive war. The time lag that sets them apart makes preventive war against a possible threat in the future – perhaps years away – morally even more burdensome. The question then is not just about the use of force and finding legitimacy for it but getting other states to accept that what the US perceives as a threat, even if in the future, must be accepted as such by everyone. But as Iraq shows, the world cannot do that; neither can it accept the democratic imperialism of America. This is the focal point of the tension and which, given a host of factors, is unlikely to be resolved anytime soon. However, from what participants gathered from the Brookings conference, it does not appear that the US policy makers are ready to accept any constraints on America’s use of force as and when it wants to resort to it. During the course of the debate, a former Clinton administration official talked about “the norm of the moment; the norm of the action”. It does not require a high IQ to realise that the logic of the norm of the moment – disregarding established standards of international law – would mean a complete breakdown of the entire code of international conduct as it stands today. That is the only corollary of extending legitimacy to every instance of the use of force just because one state decides that such a course is the only desirable one at that moment and by virtue of that perceived necessity must also be considered lawful. Be that as it may, other states – including Pakistan – are forced to assess the nature of the global system and their place in it, as also the issue of their security, in light of the evolving thinking in the US on the use of force. The situation as it stands and as it is likely to unfold is dangerous but it also offers the opportunity to some states, if not all, to change the hue of the game. – concluded.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 7 2005, 09:26 AM

Enjoy Friday Times [QUOTE]SUCH GUP The Untouchable Everyone’s heard about the notorious Pakistani doctor who fled the law in the US where he is facing charges of criminal negligence leading to the largest Hepatitis C epidemic America has ever known. And as everyone also knows, he’s been in charge of the Punjab’s health (may God have mercy on us all) despite the fact that the powers-that-be know of his crimes in the US. The question to ask is this: who is protecting the doctor in Pakistan? Why hasn’t he had his come-uppance yet? Our mole reports that the doctor has managed to ingratiate himself with a member of the real PM’s inner circle. Apparently, he has been treating this VIP’s sister for some time and has made it known that he is untouchable. Indeed, if ever there was an untouchable, it is the said doctor. Begum’s plea Isloo’s wags never tire of predicting Shortcut’s imminent departure. That may or may not be true, but what is certain is that Mrs Shortcut has been begging her hubby to call it a day for a very long time. Rumour has it that she almost succeeded in persuading him a few months ago, which is when the departure cacophony became louder and louder. Apparently, Shortcut then called on the real PM sometime in July and asked to be relieved. His boss reportedly said that he would consider it “after the Local Bodies’ election”. Better late than never Many people the world over are asking why there’s been a relative slowdown in the Indo-Pak peace process. This is apparently due to the khakis’ inability (or reluctance) to completely halt the infiltration of jihadis across the Line of Control into Kashmir. We hear, however, that the real PM chaired an important meeting in July in which he made an interesting statement. Our mole reports that the real PM recommended that, irrespective of Indian demands, the khakis should clamp down on the jihadis’ infrastructure. Said he, “these extremists are damaging Pakistan”. Better late than never, we say. Can we now hope that the camps have been conslusively shut down? Everything’s relative First we were told that Dr Shazia’s rapist, the man in khaki, was allowed to get away scot free thanks to relatives in high places. In fact,DrShazia has told a reporter abroad recentlythat ifit had not beenfor Nawab Akbar Bugti’s support,she would not even have dared to come forward to seek justice.And now our mole tells us that a similar fate awaits Sonia Naz. Her accused rapist, the policeman from Faisalabad, is distantly related to another holder of high office. The chances are that the rapist will get away once again. In Pakistan, everything is relative. +++++ Nuggets from the Urdu press Justice Shah and Zia’s PCO According to Dr Pervez Parwazi writing in the monthly Naya Zamana (September 2005), Justice (Retd) Nasim Hassan Shah, former chief justice of the Supreme Court, in his memoirs said that he swore under the PCO of General Zia because he had 15 years of service left as a judge. He thus implied that great judges like Fakhruddin G Ibrahim and Dorab Patel did not take oath under Zia and resigned because they had only three-fours left before reaching the retiring age. Ascension of the Prophet PBUH According to Khabrain in the month Rajab, the Holy Prophet PBUH was taken by the angel Jibreel from Makka to Kaaba where he was washed in Zamzam. Then he was taken to Madina on a flying animal called Burraq where he was to migrate two years later. After that he was taken to mount Sinai where Moses had talked with God. After that he was taken to Bethlehem where Christ was born. On the way he heard a voice calling him. He ignored it. Jibreel told him it was the voice of Judaism. Then he heard another voice calling him. He ignored it too. Jibreel told him it was the voice of Christianity. After that a beautiful women called him but he ignored her too. Jibreel said it was the worldly pleasures. After that a man wanted to meet him. He too was ignored because he was Satan himself. Hindu couple in ‘trubbel’ According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, a Hindu couple in Swabi NWFP had been taken away to an unknown place for investigation of the charge against them of desecrating the Quran, for which there is life imprisonment. Chaman Lal and his wife Krishna were seen by some people throwing the Quran in the fields. After that, a mob attacked their house, beat them up and registered a case of blasphemy against them. The Hindu man was supposed to have converted to Islam and then reconverted to Hinduism on being rebuked by his wife. This angered the Muslims. Although not a law, reconverting from Islam is punishable by death. Prophet PBUH and the heavens According to Khabrain, the Prophet PBUH found the first heaven locked. After Jibreel got the door open, the Prophet PBUH was greeted by angels and men, amongst whom was one extremely well-shaped man who was identified as Adam. Adam looked to his right and smiled because on that side were his good progeny; then he looked to his left and cried because on that side were his misguided progeny. Then the Prophet PBUH saw people cutting a crop that would not end: these were people who did jihad. After that there were people with large bellies with snakes inside. They were the usurers. There were people eating rotten meat. They were disloyal spouses. There were women hanging by their breast. They were unfaithful wives with b@st@rd children. Prophet PBUH in Jerusalem According to Khabrain, Burrak flew the Prophet PBUH to Jerusalem where he tied his mount in the same place as that where the other prophets tied theirs. In the Haikal of Solomon, all the prophets of the past were present. They lined up to say namaz after him the moment he arrived. He was then given three cups: water, wine and milk. He chose the cup of milk, whereupon Jibreel congratulated him for choosing the way of Nature. After that, the Prophet PBUH was given a ladder (mi’raj) to climb towards Heaven. Imran Khan’s political immaturity According to Khabrain, Imran Khan was a sporting icon who became the beloved of the nation as a social worker and philanthropist, but he then had a revelation and became a born-again Muslim. He formed a party in 1996 and began losing elections and now had only one seat of his own to his Insaf Party. His appeal in the middle class had declined because he voted steadily for the reactionary mullahs in the National Assembly under the influence of a sufi saint who met him at a dinner 17 years ago. He had supported the clergy on South Waziristan’s anti-Al Qaeda operations and the madrassa reform. He opposed mixed marathons, and relied on the infamous Newsweek story, leading the attack on the insult to the Quran, and getting a number of agitating people in Afghanistan killed. Prophet PBUH meets other prophets According to Khabrain, the Prophet during mi’raj met Christ on the second heaven. On the third heaven he met Yusuf, on the fourth Idris and on the fifth Haroon. On the sixth heaven he met Moses. On the seventh heaven he saw baitul ma’mur where he was greeted by Abraham. Ghulam Ishaq Khan ordered firing Speaking to the Nawa-e-Waqt magazine, PPP leader Aitzaz Ahsan said that when he was interior minister, the Salman Rushdie affair arose in the UK. The clerics got out a mob in Islamabad which was advancing towards the embassies and consular sections of the city. He said an agreement was reached between the mob and the police after which he returned to parliament. Meanwhile, hooligans from the mob attacked one embassy and the diplomats rang up the presidency saying that their lives were in danger. President Ghulam Ishaq Khan then took over and it was under his charge that the police started firing on the mob. SP relies on Sura Yaseen According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, SP Faisalabad Khalid Abdullah, accused of kidnapping a man and making him disappear and raping his wife, held a special radd-e-bala (exorcism) in his house with the help of a group of clerics who read the Quranic verse Sura Yaseen in the house. After they were done, the SP distributed thousands of rupees among them. The SP had a record of misconduct and frequent suspensions from rank. What MNAs cost Pakistan Writing in the Jang, Irshad Haqqani stated that out of the 342 members of the National Assembly in Pakistan, one was a billionaire, 156 crore-patti, and 183 lakh-patti. These people spent from Rs 50 lakh to Rs 2 crore on their elections to win their seats. During the last financial year their allowances were raised by one hundred per cent, from Rs 17,500 to Rs 38,000. In all, the state spent Rs 10 crore annually on them. Meera and Khar Writing in the daily Pakistan, Khwaja Pervez stated that Meera was a simple but beautiful girl who wanted to marry India’s great and very rich actor Shahrukh Khan. But the news was hardly digested when someone said that she was politician Lion of Punjab Ghulam Mustafa Khar’s out-of-wedlock daughter. She replied that Khar used to frequent her home and that she called him daddy, which gave away the secret of Khar’s old age. Ex-chief minister Punjab Khar had married many times but found no joy, his ex-wife Tehmina Durrani having finally given joy to ex-chief minister Punjab Shehbaz Sharif instead. Israel not acceptable even in parliament Quoted in the daily Pakistan, Imran Khan said that he would not accept recognition of Israel even if parliament approved it. It would be against the idea of Jinnah’s Pakistan and that Musharraf had to no right to go against the wishes of the umma. In reply, culture minister Muhammad Ali Durrani told Khabrain that some people didn’t mind marrying Jewish women but protested Pakistan communicating with Israel. ‘I know Aliya Honey and Tehmina Durrani!’ Writing in Khabrain, Shaukat Hussain Shaukat said that he knew Tehmina Durrani from her background, not because of Shehbaz Sharif. She was the daughter of one Samina Durrani who was married to a Mr Durrani who ran the PIA. Samina belonged to ‘the street’ the same way Shehbaz Sharif’s ex-wife Aliya Honey did. Aliya was the daughter of a Kakkezai resident Manzoor of Royal Park, famous for girls who took part in films. What Palestinian state? Writing in the Nawa-e-Waqt, Irfan Siddiqi stated that Pakistan’s making of its recognition of Israel conditional upon the creation of a Palestinian state would be tantamount to accepting only 15 per cent of the original territory belonging to the Arabs as a state for the Palestinians. It would be an open-air prison for the featherless birds called Palestinian Arabs. They will flap their useless wings in the grip of savage Israeli soldiers, and Pakistan would be filling colours in the sketch drawn by the accursed (makrooh) Americans. Fake mystic breaks out in English According to Khabrain, one fake mystical dabba pir on the bank of Ravi in Lahore was deftly depriving poor people of their cash. He was mostly promising children to barren women. In one case, he had taken Rs 20,000 for getting a woman pregnant with a baby but failed, after which the husband protested. But the mystic told his audience that his father-in-law was an even bigger mystic because he brought down the aircraft of an Englishman with one gesture. When the reporter tried to ask him tricky questions, he broke out in English to get rid of him. Most people rely on English to get out of trouble. Fair elections don’t suit Pakistan Writing in the Jang, Syed Anwar Qidwai stated that the local government polls were not found to be fair and transparent in all the centres in Pakistan. But polls were never fair in the past either. In 1951 the Punjab had provincial elections in which Mian Daultana swept a jhurloo through the province capturing ballot boxes to keep his opponent Mamdot out, whom he had already deposed with the help of prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan. In 1954, provincial polls were fair in East Pakistan but that led to the dismissal of the government there. In 1970 the national election was fair but the country was broken up. QUOTE]

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Indo-Pak: grateful for small mercies : Najam Sethi's E d i t o r i a l An unfortunate perception has gained currency that India-Pakistan relations are not going anywhere in a hurry. Certainly, India has shown no signs of wanting to discuss any of the “options” on Kashmir reiterated by General Pervez Musharraf. In fact, the Indian foreign secretary, Shyam Saran, recently dampened hopes when he claimed that the peace process could be derailed in the event of a major act of terrorism. He also said, quite unnecessarily, that India would not accept any territorial changes in Kashmir. Pakistan’s equally ambiguous position has reinforced this perception. After General Musharraf mentioned the Kashmir dispute in his speech at the UN last month, the Indians were so irked that the Indian prime minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, greeted General Musharraf rather frostily on the sidelines of the UN. New Delhi was also provoked once again to raise the issue of “cross border terrorism” and accused Pakistan of retaining training camps for Kashmiri jihadis on its soil. What’s going on? Clearly, the two sides are grappling with thorny issues that have defied solution for over five decades. There is also the legacy of a serious trust deficit given so many false starts and abrupt endings. So smooth sailing should not be expected, despite their best intentions to bury the hatchet. Indeed, the deeply entrenched institutional mechanism for resolving foreign policy issues in India, given its pluralist democracy, and the lack of it in Pakistan, given the exclusive role of the Pakistan army in strategic decision-making, explains why India wants to move slowly and Pakistan is in a hurry to clinch deals. Nonetheless, the fact is that significant progress has been made in the peace process in one year and there is no reason for pessimism. The Line of Control in Kashmir is softening by the month. Travel and communication facilities across the border are becoming better. People-to-people contacts are improving. Prisoner-exchanges are being facilitated. Military CBMs are in the offing, including advance information about missile testing. Trade is being liberalized item by item. Buses and trucks and trains and airplanes are plying relatively freely. Old routes are being opened up and new ones considered. Despite objections from the US, the two sides are continuing negotiations over the proposed gas pipeline from Iran to India via Pakistan. The water dispute over the Baghliar Dam has moved from bilateral deadlock to multilateral mode without too much acrimony. Cricket diplomacy has reinforced the popular passion for peace. And the Indian political leadership has finally agreed to bring the All Parties Hurriyat Conference into the negotiation loop after allowing its leaders to visit Pakistan for discussions with the Pakistani leadership. This is no small achievement. The Joint Economic Commission which recently met for the first time in 16 years in Islamabad went out of its way to reiterate the continuing thaw in relations. Significantly, the talks were led by the foreign ministers of both countries. The joint statement was heartening. Both have decided to restructure and streamline the work of the Joint Economic Commission by starting technical-level working groups on agriculture, health, science and technology, information, education, IT and telecommunications, environment and tourism. More to the point, they will consider options for demarcating the maritime boundary in Sir Creek while trying to resolve the deadlock over whether or not to demarcate current troop positions before demilitarizing Siachin. The two also agreed “to explore possible options for a peaceful settlement of the Kashmir dispute in a sincere, purposeful and forward-looking manner” and stressed the continuing need for a bilateral and composite dialogue framework for the peace process. “The second round of talks achieved better results than the first round,” claimed Mr Natwar Singh, India’s Foreign Minister. His most significant remark pertained to the provocative issue of “cross-border terrorism” that constantly hovers over all dialogues and threatens to derail them. He said both countries had agreed not to permit terrorism to impede the peace process. The fact that the Indian prime minister has accepted an invitation to visit Pakistan was the icing on the cake. The weight of history suggests the peace process is not irreversible. Certainly, the fact that Pakistan has not completely jettisoned its jihadi leverage while India is still dragging its feet on starting talks about a “solution” to the Kashmir dispute, are disquieting factors. But no one should expect that either will abandon its stance unilaterally or unequivocally. Indeed, this is bound to be a verifiable and incremental approach. More relevant are two other questions: Can the Pakistan Army find its raison d’etre as the most powerful player in Pakistan without “institutional hostility” to India? Can India learn to become a global player without seeking to aggressively establish its economic and political hegemony in the region? The first requires greater democratization and civilianization of Pakistan. The second requires greater maturity and self-confidence amongst India’s burgeoning middle classes. Until there are clear cut and irrevocable signs of such a change in the thinking and practice of the Pakistani army and the Indian bourgeoisie, the people of the two countries must be grateful for small mercies.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 7 2005, 01:09 PM

Gazprom to sign MoU with Pakistan By Khalid Mustafa ISLAMABAD: Pakistan will sign a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with Russian oil and gas giant Gazprom on Friday (today) to ensure active cooperation in oil and gas development, an official told Daily Times on Thursday. A seven-member Gazprom delegation, headed by Chairman Alexey Miller Borisovich, arrived on Thursday to hold crucial talks with Pakistani authorities. Amanullah Jadoon, the Minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources, will lead the Pakistani contingent. According to the official, Miller will also meet President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz. He said that under the proposed MoU, Gazprom will participate in offshore and onshore oil and gas prospecting in the country. The Russian firm would provide technical expertise, training and assistance in the construction of storage facilities, he said adding that the PM would be present at the signing ceremony. According to the official, Pakistan may seek Gazprom financing for the proposed Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) gas pipeline project alone, adding that “an international consortium might be set up the pipeline project.” Gazprom, along with TotalFina of France and Petronas of Malaysia, is a major shareholder in the Iranian South Paras gas field, which would be the source of gas supply to both Pakistan and India under the IPI pipeline. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_7-10-2005_pg7_7

Posted by: Mudy Oct 7 2005, 10:52 PM

http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_8-10-2005_pg1_3 8 Ahmedis killed in attack * Unidentified gunmen open fire on prayer congregation in Mong * President, prime minister condemn incident

Posted by: Mudy Oct 13 2005, 10:00 AM

MUST LISTEN Countdown of Pakistan - Dr. Israr Ahmad (Feb 29, 04) Please listen to this speech :: AFTER 3 Mins http://www.tanzeem.org/tanzeemeislami/countdownofpakistan.ram

Posted by: Mudy Oct 13 2005, 02:50 PM

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SUCH GUP from friday times Man proposes … The ruling party was all set to celebrate a “ Jashn-e-Fatah ” following its great victory in the recent local bodies elections . These celebrations were to be held all over the country, with the real PM going out to select districts to give the seal of approval to “his” nazims . These activities were planned to lay the ground for the next elections, wherein besides electing members of the provincial and national assemblies, the electorate would also have been called upon to approve a presidential candidate. And no prizes for guessing who that might have been. All these plans have now been put in cold storage, following the tragic earthquake. As they say, man proposes but God disposes. On Ground Zero The real PM visited Ground Zero at the sight of the fallen Margalla Towers in Isloo , taking a leaf out of George Bush ’s book who visited Ground Zero at the sight of the Twin Towers in New York on 9/11. There was one more similarity between the two heads of state. Both wore substantial bullet proof vests for the occasion. biggrin.gif No truck Our mole in the real PM ’s inner sanctum reports that while the Canadians have announced generous donations for Pakistan’s earthquake victims, government officials have decided that they will have no truck with the real PM. This, says our mole, must be a decision of the Canadian government which has taken exception, as well it might, to the real PM’s insensitive remarks regarding rape victims and their alleged quest for Canadian visas . Readers will recall that the real PM told the Washington Post that Pakistani women were lining up to get raped so that they could get Canadian visas, or words to that effect. So while the Canadians are trying to generate up to C $ 20 million through CIDA and other agencies, their highest officials have commiserated with and spoken to everyone except the real PM. Prime Minister Martin has spoken to Shortcut, FM Pettigrew has spoken to KK, and the Canadian deputy PM has spoken to Min of Int Cat’s Paw. No calls have been made to the real PM. Snorting lines Our mole tells us that kilos of high grade cocaine are being smuggled regularly into Lahore by a ring based in South Africa. Could it be that certain Punjab government functionaries with a penchant for snorting lines are turning a blind eye to this rampant drug smuggling?

Posted by: Mudy Oct 13 2005, 02:53 PM

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Nuggets from the Urdu press Chief secretaries exchange blows According to Nawa-e-Waqt, chief secretary Punjab Kamran Rasul had been removed suddenly from his job and sent on leave as a climax to the quarrel between two groups of bureaucrats in Punjab. Rasul was opposed by the Randhawa Group which finally got the upper hand. Kamran Rasul group comprised P&D chairman Sibtain Fazl Haleem, secretary schools Imtiaz Tajwar and secretary health Rashida Malik. Former chief secretary Hafeez Akhtar Randhawa was made head of Bank of Punjab after retirement, but Kamran Rasul as chief secretary did not give him his entitlements, on which the two fell out. At the dinner party of the irrigation secretary, Randhawa questioned Rasul, then threw him to the ground and beat him up. (After that secretary National Security Council Tariq Aziz forced Randhawa to resign.) As Kamran Rasul wept, fellow bureaucrat Salman Siddiq tried to make him understand that he had made mistakes, whereupon Rasul threatened to throw Siddiq out of the province too. Salman Siddiq thereafter got grade 22 but Rasulunsuccessfully tried to send him out. After that he sent chairman P&D Salman Ghani out. Rasul also acted against home secretary Hassan Wasim Afzal and his bureaucrat wife, which orders were rescinded by the chief minister. Kamran Rasul was thwarted by the rival group in his efforts to go to Asian Development Bank. Salman Siddiq secretary finance was now new chief secretary. Relations with Israel and Nawaz Sharif Columnist Javed Chaudhry wrote in Jang that, starting with Liaquat Ali Khan, Pakistan was contacting Israel through its diplomats. It began with Pakistan’s first foreign minister Chaudhry Zafarullah Khan and reached a height with General Zia who told the Arabs they should recognise Israel. Later Benazir Bhutto continued these contacts and under Nawaz Sharif ambassador to the US, Syeda Abida Hussain, made a public suggestion that Pakistan should recognise Israel. In answer, Shehbaz Sharif told Nawa-e-Waqt that Nawaz Sharif hated Israel so much that when he heard in 1998 that Israel could attack Pakistan he could not sleep all night because of rage. ‘Neelam pari’ of democracy ready to be gang-raped Writing in Jang, Irshad Haqqani quoted an officer saying that he (Irshad) was insisting on dreaming of the neelam pari of democracy which was in fact ready to be gang-raped in the courts of tribal chiefs (sardar) and the wealthy (zardar) of Pakistan. Constitution in Pakistan was a tissue paper for the politicians and others to wipe their dirty hands on. Two enemy embassies Writing in Nawa-e-Waqt Dr Zahur Ahmad Azhar stated that if Pakistan recognised Israel then Islamabad will have two enemy embassies. Indian embassy already existed although India did not accept Pakistan from the heart and was always busy trying to undo it. Now India was happy that Pakistan had begun talking to Israel. It is happy that another embassy in Islamabad would be busy doing what the Indian embassy already does. Quaid-Iqbal differences According to Dr Saleem Akhtar in Nawa-e-Waqt magazine Allama Iqbal believed in separate electorates in Punjab and therefore quarrelled with the Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and Muhammad Ali Jauhar who wanted to compromise on the principle to get weightage for Muslims at the all-India level. In Punjab, under limited suffrage, Muslim vote was only 40 percent, and under joint electorates Muslims would have lost their majority dominance. Owais Ghani Governor Balochistan Writing in Khabrain Hafiz Sanaullah stated that governor Balochistan Owais Ghani was from the family of Pakistan’s great politician Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar. Nishtar belonged to the Kakar tribe. Owais Ghani owned a factory before he decided to enter politics. He came to see the columnist in Peshawar with the nephew of former army chief, Waheed Kakar. Later Owais joined Imran Khan for some time but soon got disenchanted. He then to became a minister in the first government Musharraf set up in the NWFP under General Shafiq. Because of his upright character Owais was then made governor Balochistan. MMA politicians involved in terrorism Editorialising on Waziristan terrorism Khabrain stated that MMA’s Maulana Sadiq Noor was found to be involved in acts of terrorism against the Pakistan army in Waziristan. Maulana Noor MNA was absconding after his links with the terrorist Abdullah Mehsud were uncovered by the army. Officer faints after smelling jihadi bottle According to Khabrain Lahore police caught three terrorists while they were preparing to blow up a number of buildings in the city. They were caught with explosive material at Lari Adda. Their explosives also contained a small bottle which a police officer opened out of curiosity. It contained poisonous gas. The police officer fainted after smelling the fumes. The three terrorists carried jihadi literature with them. Literacy in Punjab According to Jang literacy rates were low in South Punjab. For instance, Mianwali, considered to be backward, had 48 percent literate population, the same as Sheikhupura near Lahore, but Rajanpur had the lowest literacy rate in the province at 31 percent. Rawalpindi had the highest literacy rate at 70 percent, followed by Lahore at 67 percent, Sialkot at 66 percent, Jhelum 65 percent, Chakwal 62 and Gujranwala 61 percent. The Seraiki-speaking region had a generally low literacy rate. These ‘roshan khayal’ NGOs Columnist Abdul Qadir Hassan wrote in Jang that he had always told the Musharraf government that NGOs were not loyal to Pakistan but it had paid no attention. The NGOs were funded by foreign states and were therefore loyal only to them. They had no interest in the welfare of Pakistan. But any criticism of the NGOs was considered a criticism of roshan khayali because all these NGOs were considered roshan khayal. These NGOs were not mindful of how the women in the West were being played around with, but have become touchy about women in Pakistan, and to highlight their activity, they had chosen the police as rapist. They get these women to come on TV and count the number of men who had raped them. But President Musharraf himself has found out what these NGOs were really up to. Osama came to Pakistan! Quoted in daily Pakistan an Afghan foreign office spokesperson Lutfullah Mashal said that after Tora Bora, Osama bin Laden bribed warlord Hazrat Ali (who was with Americans) to get him safely across the border to Pakistan. He came to Parachinar but found himself unsafe and returned to Khost in Afghanistan, where he was hiding now. He said America trusted the wrong warlord. Stampede for local body jobs According to Jang 109 important personalities in Punjab were trying to get local government posts. Five MNAs were going to leave their seats to fight elections for district nazims while two MPAs were getting ready to fight for district or tehsil nazim posts. In all, 109 assemblymen were either pursuing the posts for themselves or for their close relatives. Those who were candidates for posts of district nazim were: Col (Retd) Ghulam Rasul Sahi, Mumtaz Ahmad Mutiana, Inamul Haq Piracha, Tehmina Dasti, Ahmad Sharaqpuri, (all MNAs) wanted to stand for the posts of district nazim. Among the MPAs Chaudhry Riaz Asghar, Rana Mash’hood also wanted district nazim posts. Son of speaker National Assembly, Chaudhry Amir Hussain, Aamir Amir Hussain, was contesting the nazim post in Sialkot. Col Sahi contesting in Faisalabad was the brother of speaker Punjab Assembly. Jamal Leghari, son of Farooq Ahmad Khan Leghari MNA was contesting for nazim, Dera Ghazi Khan. Chaudhry Shafaat Ali fighting for nazim Gujrat was a cousin ofPunjab chief minister Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi. Former chief minister Manzur Wattoo’s son Khurram Jehangir Wattoo was candidate for tehsil nazim in Dipalpur. Relatives of two former chief ministers Nakai and Afzal Hayat were vying for nazim posts in various parts of Punjab. Federal minister Chaudhry Shehbaz Hussain’s son Javed Hussain was elected nazim tehsil Dina unopposed while Shehbaz’s nephew was contesting for district nazim Jhelum. Federal minister Tahir Iqbal’s elder relative General (Retd) Majeed Malik was up for nazim Chakwal. Because of the blind competition party discipline broke down and the ruling PML declared the province open for all party contestants.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 13 2005, 02:55 PM

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Our Bomb, liability or asset? : Farrukh Saleem On 11 September 2001, American policy-makers discovered that Pakistan could be made to do almost anything by threatening to destroy her Bomb We have the Bomb. We have 49 A-5 Fantan, single-seat, twin-engine supersonic fighters some of which are capable of carrying at least one 5 kiloton nuclear bomb. We also have 32 F-16 Fighting Falcon multi-role, ground-attack fighters having practiced the ‘toss-bombing’ technique to drop nuclear bombs on “visually acquired targets by improvising the necessary electronic wiring (F-16s exported to Pakistan did not have the necessary electronic wiring).” The largest of India’s urban centers are Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta, Madras, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Kanpur, Nagpur, Lucknow and Pune. PAF Multan, a Forward Operational Base, is 581 km from New Delhi while the combat radius of our F-16s is 850 km. PAF Faisal, Southern Air Command HQ, is 887 km from Bombay while our A-5s have a combat radius of 600 km (remember, there are some 2.5 million Muslims in Bombay). One of our A-5 Fantan supersonic fighter taking off from PAF Peshawar, Northern Air Command HQ, heading for Amritsar, some 413 km away, can deliver its payload to the destination Amritsar could be destroyed, but remember that Amritsar is a mere 54 km from Lahore. Nuking Amritsar will be as good as nuking Lahore. Ahmedabad, with an urban population of 4 million, is 601 km from PAF Masroor but remember that a million Muslims live in Ahmedabad. From Srinagar to Tuticorn and between Kandla and Calcutta there are a billion Indians of which at least 125 million are Muslim. The Indian economy is 700 percent bigger and growing even bigger by 8 percent a year. From Gilgit to Gwadar and between Zhob and Bahawalpur we have 778,720 sq km of land area. India is 400 percent larger. Pakistan’s average width is less than 500 km while India is over 3,000 km deep. “If India’s conventional forces cross a certain threshold then we will use our Bomb,” goes the argument. What next is the real question? For sure, all of India’s Jaguars, Mirage 2000s, MiG-27s, MiG-29s and Su-30s will be coming our way. Additionally, all of India’s Prithvis, Agnis and Suryas will be heading towards PAF Chaklala, Chuk Jhumra, Faisal, Kamra, Kohat, Lahore, Masroor, Mianwalli, Mipur Khas, Multan, Nawabshah, Pasni, Peshawar, Risalpur, Rajanpur, Samungli, Sargodha, Shahbaz and Vihari. Can we really nuke anyone? Would nuking be in our national interest? We could certainly destroy a city or two but in exchange for that destruction we could be no more. There has to be a rational calculation of our national interest. We surely have the Bomb. Is it the ultimate deterrent? We did a Kargil on India and India’s Bomb did not act as a deterrent. Can our Bomb act as a deterrent? On 4 July 1999, we agreed to a u-turn on our Kargil agenda. Our Bomb couldn’t save us in Kargil. On 11 September 2001, we took a u-turn on our Taliban policy. Our Bomb couldn’t salvage our Taliban strategy. Can the Bomb save our Kashmir enterprise? On 11 September 2001, American policy-makers discovered that Pakistan could be made to do almost anything by threatening to destroy her Bomb. Their strategy was vindicated when we took no more than two minutes to end our decade-long relationship with the Taliban. In that sense, the Bomb has actually become a liability not an asset.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 13 2005, 02:58 PM

Very interesting article to understand History

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Why is Punjab “pro-military” and “anti-democratic”? Khaled Ahmed’s A n a l y s i s The first thing you can say about the Punjabis is that they are generally non-intellectual, more visceral than cerebral. They eat well and are happy-go-lucky. They are also ‘excessive’. They can eat more than Pathans and the Baloch, and they can be laid-back over urgent matters. They are good fighters but they are better when they are led by someone. They are not natural leaders like the Pathans. In their habits they are like warriors in history, characterised by bursts of activity followed by long periods of inertia. At times they appear sluggish compared to the other nationalities. They are extremely ‘adaptive’. They are non-discriminatory, but they are also flexible in ethics. Since they are not tribal in nature, their style of life is free of tensions. Other ‘tribal’ nationalities at times view them with distaste. The tribal Pakhtun may find the Punjabis less moved by honour. But flexibility has given the Punjabi the tendency to indulge in corruption too. As a warrior, he doesn’t believe in paying back what he has borrowed, which in today’s parlance is called ‘loan default’. He responds to power rather than persuasion. He is also habituated to using power as a means of communication. He can be emotionally aroused through slogans and is more conscious than the other nationalities of nationalism and ideology. He is less rigid about religion but can be dangerous because of his instinct of falling behind more ‘individualistic’ cultures, like that of the Pakhtun. He prefers tough Pakhtun clerics to control his mosques. That gives him rigidity not natural to his character. Incapacity of self-governance: Pakistan’s rare politician-intellectual, Senator Aitzaz Ahsan, in his book The Indus Saga may have described the Punjabi character while concluding that the Indus Man is not capable of administering the state efficiently. Pakistan being over 60 percent Punjabi, one can assume that this inability to (self)-govern could be Punjab-induced. Why is this so? There are a couple of well-known possible reasons for that. Punjab was the ‘region of the marches’ where invaders simply stopped long enough to change the local rulers before marching on to the real booty in Delhi. This developed the habit of submitting to power (arbitrary or ex officio) quickly rather than late (lota-ism). The second reason is the development of Punjab by British Raj as its area of recruitment of Raj soldiers. To preserve this military hinterland, the Raj prevented the all-India political parties - demanding democratic rights - from trespassing into Punjab. Voting rights were given to the rural Punjabi landlord who used his authority to get himself voted to the Punjab legislature. This pattern of power exercise conditioned the Punjabi in favour of authority. His military background inclined him to respect the uniformed authority more. Two historical tendencies thus coalesced to make the Punjabi to appear to be favouring military rule while not caring too much for the niceties of democracy. The British Raj and Punjab: Prof Tan Tai Yong of National University of Singapore wrote his book The Garrison State: the Military, Government and Society in Colonial Punjab 1849-1947 (Vanguard Books Lahore 2005) as his doctoral thesis at Cambridge in the early 1990s, and a quarter century later, in the present form, it tells us why the population and élites of Punjab are the way they are in their political behaviour. The book begins by telling us, as we knew already, that the British Raj drew its army from Punjab (then including the NWFP) after 1857. It ends up telling us a lot more about how it was done and what the consequences of this recruitment were. First, the British kept Punjab after its annexation as a “non-regulation” province to avoid “rigid adherence to legislative regulations” and to avoid a repetition of what the Brahmin-dominated Bengal Army did in 1857; second, it created “military districts” under the tutelage of a mixed civil-military bureaucracy. Punjab was militarised to prevent it from catching the virus of ‘politics of freedom’ rampant in the ‘regulation’ presidencies of Bengal, Madras and Bombay. Élites were converted into military officers and were given large feudal holdings. In the areas where these élites helped in recruitment of soldiers the soldiers too were given land to till and Soldier Boards were created there to bind the bureaucracy to looking after their interests. To prevent land from being bought off or annexed by city-dwelling middle classes and politicised financiers, Land Alienation Act was passed in 1900 against alienating the land in these military districts. After the 1919 reforms when Punjab got its assembly, voting franchise was restricted in such a manner that the countryside had a numerical edge over the politicised cities. Militarisation of Punjab under the Raj: That in a nutshell is how the people and rulers of Punjab were militarised in their thinking. More pointedly, they got used to the ‘non-regulation’ nature of rule in British Punjab; then they also got used to the political parties with radical representational agendas being kept out of their lives. Punjab became the ‘sword arm of the Raj’ serving as the principal recruiting ground for the Raj army from 1880 to 1947. Starting 1990s, to the outbreak of the Second World War, Punjab provided more than half the Raj army. In fact it never fell below 60 percent. By the time the British got Punjab it had gone through a period of chaos, fighting a civil war with the armies that Ranjit Singh had trained on the European pattern. Before that, Muslim invaders had laid it waste, forcing the people into arming themselves and becoming self-contained communities of warriors with no sense of security. The Raj militarised the Punjab to safeguard its Western frontier and then made it sustainable as a military province through extensive economic development and ‘paternalist’ administration. Before 1947, Punjab stood firmly opposed to the divisive politics of the Muslim League and Congress, and remained loyal to the Raj; but after 1947, it was Punjab and not Bengal that erupted with historically unprecedented violence, triggering the world’s first ethnic cleansing on a vast scale. This too was owed to the military legacy of the Raj. After Punjab became the largest province in West Pakistan by over 60 percent of the population, its legacy dominated the politics of Pakistan, resulting in the separation of East Pakistan and the engulfment of Pakistan in military-bureaucratic governance with which the population was familiar under the Raj. After Partition, it was not India but Pakistan which became the direct successor of ‘military rule’. As the Cambridge scholar DA Low explains, ‘Pakistan’s post-independence propensity towards a military-dominated state had a clear and direct lineage that could be traced to the early military-fiscal state in the Punjab from the late 19th century onwards’ (p.24). The ‘military districts’ of Punjab: All of Punjab’s 28 districts were opened to recruitment, but it was not just getting soldiers out of them that sufficed; their homes and villages had to be protected against economic and political inroads. It was in these homes and villages that loyalty to the Raj was won. Strategic laying of the railways and the establishment of cantonments brought economic uplift together with a certain ‘militarised’ consciousness to the population not known elsewhere in India. The province was settled with new loyal communities after solving its problem of brackish water through a canal system. After the Sikhs – earlier rejected by the Bengal Army because of the anti-Sikh prejudice of its Brahmin soldiers – were in some measure alienated from the Raj by reason of their internal ‘national’ cohesion and subsequent agitation, the Muslim population gained a larger entry into the Raj army. (Seminal work in this regard is found in Pakistani scholar Imran Ali’s book The Punjab under Imperialism 1885-1947 published in 1989.) As East India Company grew in size and possessions, it recruited its army from the areas near its centre of power. Madras Army got its soldiers from the Malabari, Guntar, Rajput, Muslim and Tamil communities; Bombay Army was from diverse stocks but mainly Hindustanis and Konkanis; and the Bengal Army was dominated by Brahmins and Rajputs from Rohilkhand, Oudh and Bihar. Then the Mutiny happened in 1857, after the Bengal Army arose in rebellion. Immediately the recruiting pattern changed and the Sikhs – resented by the Brahmins of the Bengal Army because of their ‘unclean habits’ – were recruited and Greater Punjab (including Frontier) became, by 1990, the supplier of more than half of the Raj army. Punjab and military ‘Divide and Rule’: The Punjab had to be ‘demilitarised’ after the Raj annexed it in 1849. The marauding armies, that dominated the province after Ranjit Singh, had to be disbanded. Had the Great Game not started in Afghanistan, and the Raj not been forced to guard its 800-mile border with Afghanistan, these disarmed Punjabis would have created problems. It was the Great Game militarisation that got the Punjabis into a new army meant to guard the Western frontiers. The new army was composed of the following ‘ethnic’ mix: 50 percent Punjabis (Muslims and the hillmen of Kangra), five percent Sikhs and 25 percent Hindustanis. In 1857, already the Punjab had come to the help of John Lawrence, the Punjab governor, with a Punjab Force recruited from the Punjabi chieftains, like the Tiwanas of Shahpur, who alone provided 1,000 horse. A total of 50,000 Punjabis were put under arms as injection into the Bengal Army, balancing the rebellious Brahmins. The Punjab Committee, advising the Peel Commission, that headed the new policy of recruitment (members were Neville Chamberlain, John Lawrence and Herbert Edwards) recommended that the new army be recruited from a variety of castes and the principle of administration within the army be ‘divide and rule’. The three armies remained separate and the Bengal Army, almost destroyed by the Mutiny, was reconstructed in light of this new policy. There were additional rules like localising the army deployment (Bengal army sepoys resented serving away from home regions) that necessitated the creation of permanent recruiting areas, which in turn prompted the earmarking of certain regions in Punjab. Just as the Bengal Army was an ethnic mix, the ‘divide and rule’ principle created Punjab regiments that had, as per rule, the following composition: two companies of Pathans, one company of Sikh Jats and one company of Hindu Jats. Doctrine of the ‘martial races’: Then came the doctrine of ‘martial races’ in 1880, after the Second Afghan War. The biggest advocates of this racist principle were two famous generals: Lord Roberts, commander-in-chief of the Bengal Army, and Lord Kitchner, commander-in-chief of the Indian army in 1903. Roberts thought that ‘apart from Pathans, Sikhs, Punjabi Muhammadans, Jats and Ranghars, there was no one in the Indian army that we could place in the field against the Russians’. Governor-general Dalhousie hated the Sikhs but admired them as a fighting stock. Similarly much admiration was reserved for the Muslims of the Salt Range including Jhelum and Rawalpindi, led by Gakhars – who fought against the mutineers in Delhi in 1857 – the most preferred tribes were the Tiwanas, Awans and Janjuas. Recruiting manuals stated that the best Sikh Jat stock of the martial variety was located in Majha region of Punjab. They went ahead and demarcated the recruitment areas: Peshawar for Pathans, Rawalpindi for Punjabi Muslims, Amritsar for Sikhs, Jullunder for Dogras, Delhi for Jats and Lucknow for Hindus. The focus had clearly shifted to the Punjab. Telugu, Gujjars and Ahirs were no longer considered martial. When the Madras Army was sent into Burma 1892, it was injected with Gurkhas and the ‘martial races’ from Punjab to make it a better fighting force. From 1903, Kitchner continued the Roberts policy of inducting the ‘martial races’; he added to it by purging the ‘non-martial races’. The ‘divide-and-rule’ policy was thus gone, replaced by the one of ‘martial races’. Kitchner also dropped the concept of three armies and clubbed the three into one unified Indian Army. If, in 1858, the recruitment to the Raj army contained 32 percent Punjabis, it went up to 54 percent in 1910, a total of 94,000. (Continued) First of two articles on Punjab .

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For better and for worse : Najam Sethi's E d i t o r i a l The memory of the earthquake that ravaged Azad Kashmir last week will not be erased for a long time to come. Towns have been flattened, hospitals and schools razed, shops and businesses ruined. Tens of thousands are dead, millions uprooted and homeless. This is the biggest national tragedy in memory. It has brought out the best and worst in us. A British reporter writes: “The contrast with New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina could not be more marked. In the US, when government help did not arrive, armed looters roamed the streets and survivors had to huddle together for safety. In Pakistan, people have arrived from all over the country to help in the relief effort. They have simply abandoned their jobs. Some hitched lifts, clinging dangerously on to the sides of trucks and mini buses as they wound around the hairpin curves over a sickening drop to the valley below. Others simply walked for hours across the hills in the blistering sun, denying themselves even water because it is the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan.” There can be no more fitting tribute to the great people of Pakistan than this demonstration of inspiring humanity in acute adversity. Pakistanis have given generously for relief. The political opposition has stopped protesting and offered to shoulder the burden of relief. Notoriously stingy and grubby political parties have coughed up. Even exiled leaders have accepted the common burden of responsibility instead of exploiting the situation and attacking the government. This is a rare moment of national solidarity. Foreign governments and organizations have responded surely and swiftly. Indeed, as the scale of the tragedy is revealed, more help will follow in every conceivable way – helicopters, hospitals, doctors, medicines food, clothing, shelter. Equally, Pakistanis have appreciated the help. When a British rescue team dragged out the injured from the rubble of Islamabad’s Margalla Towers, it was lauded with full throated shouts of “Allaho Akbar”. The media has also done a great job. Its reporters have spread out far and wide, covering the plight of remote areas where there is no government or administration to provide succour. The haunting images of loss and deprivation that have floated back have redoubled relief efforts and spurred financial contributions. But the downslide is equally profound and notable. It is shocking that a country that boasts nuclear weapons and missiles, spending hundreds of billions of rupees every year on its military prowess, could only muster one crane on the day of the disaster to try and clear the rubble of the collapsed Margalla Towers in Islamabad under which hundreds of people were buried. It is even more remarkable that the Pakistan army, which is supposed to be spread out in force along the Line of Control in Kashmir, was so thin on the ground at the site of every disaster. Indeed, early pictures show army jawans gingerly picking at the rubble with their bare hands or shoveling away in an uncoordinated and relatively unfocussed manner. It is inexplicable that the full extent of the damage is still not clear to the government despite the potential availability of satellite pictures from international sources. It is astounding that the prime minister has announced a relief budget of a few billion only in view of the scale of devastation in which over 5 million people have been rendered homeless and destitute. And it is scandalous that ruling party MNAs MPAs and Nazims are not prepared to divert their “development funds” to help earthquake victims. The media, political parties and NGOs have also demonstrated an unwarranted degree of introspective thinking at a time for collective and coordinated practical action. Some of the media has unfortunately succumbed to spiritual and religious offerings in the face of a natural disaster. Fatalistic theories of “sin and the wrath of Allah” are being bandied about instead of knowledge based explanations and consequences of the earthquake. Political parties are mounting separate relief efforts as though guarding and developing their turf during an election. Incredibly, the religious parties have chosen this moment to undermine the government by refusing to sit in a meeting of the National Security Council convened for the purposes of extending and coordinating relief to the injured and bereaved survivors of the disaster. Even the NGOs are going it alone so that they can demonstrate their individual utility to donor agencies. The theme of politics and profit over humanity and community has echoed again and again in this hour of national travail. Most notably, it is captured in the agonizing sentiments of Mirwaiz Omar Farooq, the Kashmiri leader, who bewailed the refusal of the Pakistan government to coordinate relief work with the Indian government across the invisible Line of Control that was not recognized by the quake in the region. Natural disasters and governmental response in alleviating distress are inclined to be etched on the popular imagination. Remember how a cyclone in East Pakistan irrevocably created a hostile Bengali perspective about West Pakistani rulers? Cleary, accountability will figure as a major theme in days to come. Clearly, too, the Musharraf regime will have to work overtime to escape the negative fallout of this particular calamity

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PAF clarifies SARFRAZ A KHAN Air Commodore Director Public Relations, Pakistan Air Force Dr Ayesha Siddiqa, in her article “Military’s professional accountability” ( TFT , October 7-13), wrote that Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff General Ehsan Ul Haq flew an F-16 when he was not authorised to do so. Her criticism is based on an erroneous assumption. General Haq never flew an F-16, even though he did fly in one. On 27 September 2005, the day Chairman JCSC flew in an F-16, PAF issued the following press release: “Phase III of Exercise High Mark-2005 commenced today. During this phase, air operations would be conducted in the southern part of the country, including coastal areas and the Arabian Sea. General Ehsan Ul Haq, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee and Air Chief Marshal Kaleem Sadaat, Chief of the Air Staff visited an Operational Base in Karachi for monitoring the air operations of phase III. The Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee also flew in an F-16, which was on a strike mission in connection with Exercise High Mark-2005.” Most newspapers and TV channels carried the statement. It was clear that Chairman JCSC flew in a dual cockpit F-16, which was being piloted and commanded by an operational and current PAF pilot. It was an exercise mission and General Ehsan Ul Haq flew in the aircraft to experience the operational activities of the exercise. It is pertinent to mention that to convert to F-16, an active fighter pilot of PAF undergoes weeks of ground schooling and many hours of training in a dual cockpit aircraft. He has to take different operational flight tests before he can take the F-16 in the air by himself. Similarly, if a current F-16 pilot stays off flying for more than 30 days due to any reason, he too has to undergo a check mission in a dual cockpit aircraft before he can start flying solo. Dr Siddiqa’s premise that General Haq himself flew an F-16 is therefore based on a wrong premise. The Armed Forces Personnel fully realise the precious value of their machines and every possible precaution is taken to ensure the safety of machines during operational use. There are no compromises. SARFRAZ A KHAN Air Commodore Director Public Relations, Pakistan Air Force

Posted by: Mudy Oct 14 2005, 08:53 AM

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Natural and Human Calamities, Injustices and Cruelties on the North and West Of Ceasefire Line in the Disputed State of BJK (B for Bolor stands for the correct name of the third Northern Area Province of the State of J&K-Ceasefire line is now Line of control). Allah Almighty (Lord/God) has inconceivable ways and effects. First of all I will bring into limelight the continuous gruesome situation on the North of Ceasefire line, as called in UN Documents, with particular emphasis on the cruelties perpetrated by General Musharaf's forces on 13 October 2005 in Gilgit in particular and the fastly deteriorating law and order situation in Gilgit-Baltistan (Bolor) in general. This is being done to bring the real facts into focus and to show to the world that the extremely shrewd and wicked rulers of Pakistan have gone to the extent of hiding their crimes and sins by defaming the sacred name of Islam by terming the situation as a conflict between Shia-Sunni. Thereafter, I will give some salient observations on the situation in Pakistan occupied/ administered / Azad Kashmir and Indian occupied/ administered/ Atoot ang Kashmir. The sectarian conflict is a game ploy of the Govt of Pakistan since setting of its feet here on 16 November 1947, to maintain and strengthen their colonial stranglehold over strategic Bolor. The sectarianism was never ever there historically, is completely artificial in nature and the local population cannot afford it. It is the best evil design for the animal instinct rulers of Pakistan for the consumption at National and International level. On 13 October 2005, a genuinely inspired peaceful demonstration of the students of Gilgit took place and culminated. During culminating stages of the event, the Chenab Rangers and Frontier Constabulary of General Perwaiz Musharaf's forces opened indiscriminate fire on the public and everywhere.The ruffians went to the extend of firing on the minarets and tombs of the Markazee (Central) Jamia Mosque of Muslim (Shia) in Gilgit. It is worth noting here that the land of the central Markazee Mosque of Muslim (Sunni) in Gilgit as well as in Skardu was donated by the Muslim ( Shia) so that their brothers can say their prayers comfortably. On the other hand in the Wahabi location of Chilas, the only small Shia Mosque for Govt officials was burned and destroyed and never again reconstructed. There is not even an iota of doubt that the murder conspiracy (covert operation) of Shaheed Agha Zia uddin Rizvi was hatched and implemented on 8 Januray 2005, by ISI. They have taken nine full months so far to erase and disappear the clues and bring all leads to a dead end including the dead body of the killed assailant. On 2 January 2005, an exemplary display of unity and cohesion took place for the last time since than in an event organised in the Press Club, Rawalpindi in which delegates from all regions of Bolor belonging to all sects of Islam participated. The growing yearn by the inhabitants of Bolor for breaking the yoke of slavery through a display of unity was attempted to be foiled by the evil rulers of Pakistan. There is no sectarianism in Bolor but it is simply the State versus the majority Muslim (Shia). The Muslim (Shia) of Gilgit have a unique competing character and hats off to their heroic resistance despite very heavy odds. Now, clearly the evil rulers are loosing their game for good. The wrath of Allah Almighty in the Pakistan Colonised Kashmir and the adjacent territories of Hazara region of NWFP province of Pakistan is inflicted on the majority poor and innocent people alongwith the elites, tentacles of the colonizing Govt , corrupt politicians and the Wahabi terrorists. These Wahabi terrorists, who are misnormed as Jehadis because Jehad is a sacred term and the ideology, modus operandi, tactics of cruelty, strategy, funds from Wahabi Saudi Arabia were ultimately destined to fail as it happened in Afghanistan, Iraq, Waziristan in NWFP and Bolor. In Bolor, the Muslim (Shia) tasted the first sting of these Wahabi terrorists in 1988, Govt of Pakistan orchestrated onslaught (Lashkarkashi). The only fault of the silent majority was that they allowed it to happen without questioning it. Havoc was brought on all parts of the regions connected with BJK dispute except for Pakistan occupied Kashmir. It is high time that we do away with the evil Wahabi ideology.
Seems like a very critical situation in Pakistan occupied Gilgit area.

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Posted by: Mudy Oct 14 2005, 08:35 PM

K.Ram, Link is not working.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 15 2005, 08:46 AM

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dear reader from last many days gilgit city is looking like occupied bait - ul - mukadas.two weeks ago pakistani agencies kidnap a school teacher mr bilal kazalibash from gilgit without any reason.till now no one not knows about bilal.are he is die or alive.if there will any mishape with him ISI and Mi are responsible. from last two days punjab rangers ( bay gayarat force ) start open war against the local innocient peoples.first of all they shaheed a innocient guy in gilgit by tourture .in the reaction of this bloody attempt local people start hassitation against ranger peicefuuly but napak rangers start shelling on the public areas openly.they use heavy wapens against the innocient people. now from last two days gilgit city was closed by cerfew people face lot of problems . every one know that pakistani force not want peice in gilgit because of there TA DA. we want to warn the pakistani govt that pakistan with draw there forces immediatly from gilgit .otherwise pakistan is responsible to every thing. now the local peoples start to understand about there original killer.if pakistan not withdraw from these areas may be they will face a news like 1971. shafqat ali inqalabi

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2005\10\16\story_16-10-2005_pg7_5 By Ibrahim Shahid GILIGT: The Northern Areas administration has sealed the main imambargahs and mosques in Gilgit and arrested top Shia and Sunni leaders, following clashes between security forces and Shias in which 10 people have died. Home Secretary Capt ® Sardar Abbas said that the action was taken under the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA) in view of the deteriorating security situation and that four Sunni and four Shia clerics had been arrested. The arrested Shia leaders are Agha Rahat Hussain-ul-Hussaini, Sheikh Mirza Ali, Anjuman Imamia Gilgit president, Didar Ali, former Northern Areas Legislative Council (NALC) member, and Sheikh Nayar Abbas. The Sunni leaders who were arrested are Maulana Nirsar Ahmed, Tanzeem Ahl-e-Sunnat ameer, Maulana Khalil Ahmed, deputy ameer, Himayatullah Khan, an NALC member, and Maulana Attaullah Shahab, Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam Gilgit general secretary. Police sources said that there was no violence in the city on Saturday as a curfew entered its third day. Iqbal Haider, general secretary of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, voiced concern on Saturday that the curfew was making it difficult for people to get food and fuel. The sources said that about 600 Shias from Nagar subdivision gathered at Haraspoo Dass and blocked the Karakoram Highway for several hours. They demanded immediate replacement of the Rangers in Gilgit, saying they were hostile to the Shia community and were not performing their duties impartially.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 16 2005, 01:43 PM

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PAKISTANI INTELLIGENCE AGENCY ISI HAS KIDNAPPED AN INNOCIENT MAN BIL QAZALIBASH WHO IS BELONG TO A NOTABLE FAMILY OF GILGIT MANY DAYS AGO AND STILL HIDDEN HIM AT THE UNIDENTIFIED PLACE.THE FAMILY AND RELATIVES OF BILAL SHOWED THE UNCERTAINING ABOUT THE LIFE OF BILAL. FROM THE LAST FIVE DAYS PAKISTAN(PUNJABI) RANGERS PREPLANNED MASCARE IN OCCUPIED GILGIT BALTISTAN AND STILL CONTINUED . NOW A DAYS GILGIT CITY ( HEAVEN ON EARTH) EXPOSING THE SEENS OF PHALISTAIN .RANGER IS KILLING THE INNOCIENT LOCAL PEOPLE OF A MAJORITY SECT WITH OUT ANY REASON. PUJABI ARMY AND RANGERS STILL NOT LEARNED ANY LESSON FROM BAGALIS AND 1971 DISASTER.PERHAP THESE PEOPLES ARE THINKING THAT WE ARE HOPELESS OR DEMORILIZED. THE PAKISTAN ARMY AND RANGERS MUST RECALL THEIR MEMORY ABOUT OUR GREAT HISTORY. AFTER THE DEATH OF AMIR HAYAT SHAHEED PREPARE THE REVOLUTION OF INDEPENDENCY FROM DOGRAS,IN 1971 THE DEATH OF RAJAB ALI SHAHEED BROUGHT THE GREAT RVOLUTION AGAINST FCR. NOW PAKISTANI AGENCIES AND ARMY INVITING ANOTHER HUGE REVOILUTION BY MASS KILLING OF THE INNOCIENT PEOPLES OF THIS OCCUPIED TERRITORY . PAKISTAN ARMY AGENCIES AND RANGERS MUST STOP TERROR IN GILGIT OTHERWISE MUST PREPARE THEMSELVE TO FACE A BIG WAR FROM LOCAL INNOCIENT PEOPLES.BECAUSE PEOPLE OF GILIT BALTISTAN ARE NOW PREPARED TO SAVE THEM FROM THE TERRORISM OF PAKISTANI FORCES.NOW THE MAJOR COMMUNITY OF GILGIT BALTISTAN IS READY TOI FIHT AGAINST PAKISTAN ARMY ON EVERY CAST.PAKISTAN WANT TO PREPARE AN OTHER MAKTY BAHANI FROM GILGIT BALTISTAN. SHAFQAT ALI INQALABI

Posted by: acharya Oct 16 2005, 09:08 PM

http://thepost.com.pk/c_vis.aspx : The United States and the Pakistan Movement :: From the beginning the birth of Pakistan was Jinnah's show. While his ministers attended to details and worked at developing enthusiasm, he played his role with monarchial aloofness. By Dennis Kux On August 7, 1947, Mohammed Ali Jinnah flew from New Delhi to Karachi to take control of a nation about to be born: Pakistan. A vast but subdued throng greeted the leader of India's one hundred million Muslims at the airport, some fifteen miles from the heart of the city. "As the plane landed and came to a halt, shouts of 'Quaid-i-Azam Zind-abad' (Long live the Great Leader) and 'Pakistan Zindabad' (Long live Pakistan) were raised by the crowd," American diplomat H. Gordon Minnigerode reported to the State Department. A three-mile-long procession drove the seventy-year-old Jinnah to Government House, a spacious colonial dwelling that until hours before had been the residence of the British governor of Sindh province. Its former occupant, Sir Francis Mudie, had shifted to Lahore to become the first governor of Pakistan's Punjab province. When Jinnah arrived at his new home, the green-and-white Muslim League emblem, soon to be the national flag of Pakistan, was unfurled on the flagstaff in place of the British Union Jack. Formerly a sleepy port city of 300,000 and the capital of the backwater province of Sindh, Karachi had doubled in population after it, rather than Lahore (the new country's largest city), was named as Pakistan's seat of government. Lahore was considered too close to India for comfort, with the border only a few miles away. As thousands of Muslim refugees swarmed into the new capital, most of the Hindu residents, formerly half of the population, fled in the other direction. Fortunately, Karachi was spared the savage communal riots that ripped apart the Punjab and created havoc and misery in Lahore, New Delhi, and elsewhere. Jinnah was an unlikely father of a separate Muslim state. As an outstanding young lawyer in Bombay, he had been a vocal spokesperson for Hindu-Muslim unity. In 1916, he had presided over both the Muslim League, the main political voice for the Muslims of India, and the Indian National Congress, the preeminent nationalist, and predominantly Hindu, organization. Like Mohandas Gandhi, who led the Congress in the 1920s and 1930s, Jinnah was an ardent Indian nationalist. Unlike Gandhi, Jinnah eschewed populist mass politics, preferring the debates of the Central Legislative Assembly in Delhi. Jinnah's lifestyle also made him an unusual leader of a movement for a separate Muslim homeland. He dressed immaculately in the most expensive British fashions and sported a monocle. In public, during the campaign for Pakistan, Jinnah wore Indian Muslim garb, including the black karakul cap that became his trademark, but in the privacy of his home would switch to Western dress. The Muslim League chief had married a non-Muslim and rarely entered a mosque. He was not comfortable speaking in Urdu, the lingua franca of Muslim India, and instead delivered his speeches in impeccable English with few traces of an Indian accent. Until the late 1930s, Jinnah's political approach was that of strict constitutionalism. Only after elections in 1937 brought Congress Party governments to power in eight of the eleven provinces of British India did the Muslim League, which fared badly in the balloting, begin seriously to consider partition as its goal. Jinnah and other Muslim leaders feared that in an independent but undivided India the Muslim minority - one-quarter of the population - would not receive fair treatment from the Hindu majority. In 1940, at Lahore, the League adopted partition as its goal and appealed for the support of the Muslim masses with the emotionally charged cry of "Islam in danger." Jinnah's single-minded, demanding, yet tactically brilliant leadership, in less than a decade, transformed the idea of Pakistan from the chimera of a handful to the reality of a new nation of seventy million people. As the Muslim League's popularity grew, Jinnah, its chief, was crowned "Quaid-i-Azam," or "Great Leader." American journalist Phillips Talbot was in Karachi in August 1947 to report on India's and Pakistan's independence for the Chicago Daily-News. Talbot, who would later serve as the assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern and South Asian affairs during the Kennedy administration, wrote, From the beginning the birth of Pakistan was Jinnah's show. While his ministers attended to details and worked at developing enthusiasm, he played his role with monarchial aloofness. As Governor General designate of Pakistan he installed himself in the local Government House, a new, ample building. The panoply of British governorships continued. The new resident kept the same police guard at night, the same impassive doorman, the same jeep and motorcycle escort when he drove in the official Humber. Though looking tired and far from well as he neared 71, Jinnah held a firm grip on the government reins. Pakistan's Independence Ceremonies The evening of August 13, 1947, Jinnah and his younger sister, Fatima, his companion and confidante, hosted a reception at Government House for the British viceroy of India, Lord Mountbatten, and his wife Edwina, who had arrived from New Delhi earlier in the day. "The several thousands present passed down the receiving line to meet the elegant Viceroy, ... the ever-gracious Lady Mountbatten, the unsmiling, impeccable Mr. Jinnah and the scarcely noticed Fatima," Talbot's wife. Mildred, wrote. Shocked by his gaunt appearance, she described Jinnah as looking "like a walking, talking corpse." Later that evening, the Jinnahs entertained the Mountbattens and some fifty guests. The only diplomats present, apart from British and the Indian high commissioners, were the charge' d' affaires of the newly established U.S. embassy, Charles Lewis, and the acting Chinese consul general. On the morning of August 14, 1947, the viceroy symbolically transferred power from the British Crown to the new dominion of Pakistan. The ceremony took place in the smallish chamber of the Sindh Provincial Assembly, which would become the home of Pakistan's Constituent Assembly. After Mountbatten read a message of friendship from King George VI, adding warm words of his own, the governor general-designate, in turn, pledged friendship between Pakistan and Great Britain. Jinnah, according to Mildred Talbot, "set the tone with his stiff, correct manner," which Mountbatten matched "detail for detail in controlled word and action." Once the ceremony ended, the two leaders rode back to Government House sitting side by side in the open horse-drawn state carriage. An assassination threat against Jinnah stretched nerves as the two passed exposed through the crowded city streets. During lunch, Mountbatten recalled Jinnah's touching his knee in a rare moment of humor to say wryly, "Thank God 1 was able to bring you back alive!" As soon as the meal was over, Mountbatten flew back to New Delhi, where, at the strike of midnight, he proclaimed India's independence and was sworn in as its first governor-general. Mountbatten had hoped to become Pakistan's governor-general, as well, but Jinnah decided that he, not the last British viceroy, would occupy that position. In contrast to joyous celebrations in New Delhi, Bombay, and other Indian cities, the mood in Pakistan's new capital remained subdued. "While there was [a] certain amount of jubilation in Karachi, the manifestations on the whole were restrained." American charge' Lewis cabled the State Department, adding that the Muslims of Sindh were perhaps not given to emotional displays and the city's Hindus could "hardly be expected to be in [a] jubilant mood over partition."Still, Phillips Talbot sensed "an atmosphere of solid satisfaction at the creation of the Muslim state. This is what we've been waiting for, people seemed to be saying." The U.S. press, in reporting these ceremonies, stressed that the creation of independent India and Pakistan marked a major step toward the ending of European colonial rule in Asia. Although editorial comment was generally positive, paralleling friendly words of welcome from President Harry S. Truman and Secretary of Slate George C. Marshall, Time, the widely read national weekly newsmagazine, reflected the pro-India bias of its publisher. Henry Luce. The people of Karachi, Time commented, "did not welcome Pakistan with the wild enthusiasm that swept the new dominion of India. After all, Pakistan was the creation of one clever man, Jinnah; the difference between a slick political trick and a mass movement was apparent in the contrast between Karachi and New Delhi." The U.S. Attitude toward the Pakistan Movement Turn the clock back seven years to March 1940, when the Muslim League, at its annual session in Lahore, formally adopted as its goal the partition of India into separate Hindu and Muslim states. Few Americans at the time were aware of the political grievances and concerns of India's largest minority community, its hundred million Muslims. In the late 1930s, as the two-nation theory - that British India should become two nations, Hindu India or Hindustan, and Muslim India or Pakistan - gained in popularity, there was little echo in the United States. Although the India League actively lobbied liberal circles on behalf of the Indian National Congress, the Muslim League had no such organized group in the United States to voice its concerns about the future of the Muslim minority in post-British India. After Pearl Harbor brought America into World War II, Washington began to pay far more attention to India. Just a month earlier, in November 1941, India and the United States had opened direct diplomatic relations. A U.S. mission began to function in New Delhi and an Indian agent-general began his work in Washington. In April 1942, President Franklin Roosevelt sent Louis Johnson, former assistant secretary of war, to head the Delhi mission as his "personal representative." As Japanese forces swept through Malaya and Burma and threatened to invade India, the British belatedly offered political concessions to the Indian nationalists to gain their cooperation in the war effort. Johnson worked feverishly, but unsuccessfully, to broker an agreement between British envoy Sir Stafford Cripps and Congress Party leaders. It was assumed that the Muslim League, which unlike the Congress had backed the Allied war effort, would support the British proposals. Ultimately the Cripps mission failed after Prime Minister Winston Churchill refused a meaningful wartime transfer of power to Indians. Mahatma Gandhi, still the most powerful voice in the Congress, had opposed the British plan, mainly because it left open the possible creation of Pakistan. An unhappy President Roosevelt sent a strongly worded cable to Churchill, blaming the mission's failure on "the British Government's unwillingness to concede to the Indians the right of self-government."Roosevelt, however, felt that he could not press the British leader further without damaging the Allied war effort against the Axis powers. As the president told Interior Secretary Harold Ickes, "It would be playing with fire if the British Empire told me to mind my own business [about India]." In 1942 and 1943, a series of articles by Herbert Matthews of the New York Times chronicled the wartime rise in the Muslim League's popularity and the pivotal role that its leader would play in deciding India's future. In an October 4, 1942, article headlined "Jinnah Holds the Key to Peace in India," Matthews wrote, "Out of the throes of Indian travail a new figure has arisen and he holds in his hands more power for good or evil than any single Indian politician. It is that tall, thin, exasperatingly deliberate man who seems to be taking pleasure at keeping the world guessing - Mohammed Ali Jinnah. In his delicate hands lies the answer to the riddle: Can Hindus and Moslems agree?" The top U.S. leadership hoped that they would. President Roosevelt made clear his dislike of the idea of dividing India when British charge d' affaires Sir Ronald Campbell lunched at the president's family home at Hyde Park, New York, in August 1942. The partition of India "sounded terrible" to American ears after the experience of the U.S. civil war, Roosevelt told the British envoy. In India itself, veteran U.S. diplomat William Phillips, who had replaced Johnson as Roosevelt's personal representative, spent nearly four hours with Jinnah in early 1943 at the latter's home in New Delhi. Phillips found the Muslim League leader "brilliant" and was "attracted to him personally but not to his idea of severing India into separate nations." Phillips later wrote prophetically in his memoirs, "The more I studied Mr. Jinnah's Pakistan, the less it appealed to me as the answer to India's communal problem, since to break India into two separate nations would weaken both and might open Pakistan, at least, to the designs of ambitious neighbors." As the war progressed, India became a major Allied supply base for sending military equipment to China and for preparing for the reconquest of Burma. Some 350,000 American troops were stationed in India, principally in quartermaster and engineer functions in Bengal and Assam in eastern India. Worried that nationalists might interpret the large U.S. military presence as a sign of political support for the British, an official statement issued on August 12, 1942, stressed that American forces were in India only to fight the war against the Axis. Even though U.S. diplomats avoided taking sides, they followed developments closely, keeping in touch with the major political groups, including the Muslim League. Among the most frequent caller on Jinnah was John Davies, Jr., a Foreign Service China specialist, who was serving as political adviser to Gen. Joseph W. Stilwell (better known as "Vinegar Joe"), the commander of the China-Burma-India theater. In his reports, Davies praised the Muslim League leader's acumen, commented on his vanity, but thought that Jinnah doubted that he would actually attain his goal of Pakistan, which seemed, initially at least, devised for bargaining purposes to gain political leverage for the Muslims. In fact, U.S. concerns about India related less to the nature of the post independence government structure than to the willingness of the British to grant independence. In January 1945, at Phillips's prompting, the State Department publicly reaffirmed its support for a political settlement between the British, the Congress, and the League and offered to help the process along. When Secretary of State Edward Stettinius met British foreign secretary Anthony Eden in April 1945, he urged Britain to move India toward self-rule. Stettinius told Eden that Allied "prestige in the Far East [will] be greatly improved whenever a solution to the problem of India is found." Eden's response was to express doubt that the Indian problem would be solved as long as Gandhi remained alive. Washington Supports a United India In the July 1945 general elections, the British Labour Party trounced Churchill's conservatives. Given Labour's long-standing support for Indian independence, this issue was no longer in doubt. What remained in doubt was whether the British and the two principal Indian political groups could agree. The Indian National Congress wanted a united India. The Muslim League urged its division into two separate and independent states. In the winter of 1945-46, elections in India for a constituent assembly greatly strengthened the League's hand when it won the vast majority of Muslim seats. In March 1946, London dispatched a three-person cabinet mission - Sir Stafford Cripps, Lord Pethick-Lawrence, and A. V. Alexander - in the hope that the trio could devise a plan to preserve the unity of India that was acceptable to both the Congress and the League. By this time, State Department South Asia specialists were becoming worried about developments. Loy Henderson, then head of the Office of Near Eastern and African Affairs, which had responsibility for the subcontinent, sent a memorandum to Undersecretary of State Dean Acheson urging him to take up India informally with Lord Halifax, the British ambassador and a former viceroy of India. "India is regarded in Asia as the acid test of the liberal professions of the Western powers," the Henderson memo stated. Failure to reach a satisfactory settlement would transform "a primarily British-Indian question" into one "of world interest." The memorandum expressed the hope that the British would move quickly to establish an interim government "without allowing any one group [i.e., the Muslim League] to veto this further constitutional progress." Implying a negative attitude toward Pakistan, the Henderson memo downplayed the significance of the League's sweep of Muslim seats in the Constituent Assembly, but played up the poorer performance of Jinnah's party in provincial elections, which enabled the Muslim League to form governments only in Sindh and Bengal, two of the five Muslim-majority provinces claimed for Pakistan. Although there is no record of Acheson's having discussed India with Halifax, the Henderson memorandum is noteworthy as the only policy document that the author could find in the State Department archives during this critical period of political negotiations about the future of India. If the Slate Department was cool toward the idea of Pakistan, some U.S. media commentary was positively hostile. The cover of the April 22, 1946, issue of Time pictured a grim-looking Jinnah and the caption, "His Moslem tiger wants to eat the Hindu cow." Commenting that "the Indian sun casts Jinnah's long thin shadow not only across the negotiations in Delhi but over India's future," Time acidly described the political rise of Jinnah as "a story of love of country and lust for power, a story that twists and turns like a bullock track in the hills." The American mission in New Delhi forcefully supported British efforts to maintain a united India. A U.S. diplomat, for example, made a point of cautioning Liaquat Ali Khan, Jinnah's chief lieutenant, that a continued hard-line attitude by the League on the cabinet mission plan would cost it America's sympathy.'Although it is unclear what impact the warning had, the Muslim League did agree to the British proposal for a united India with a weak central and strong regional governments. In so doing, Jinnah had played his cards skillfully, the U.S. mission reported to Washington: "[Jinnah's] greatest triumph would appear to lie in the fact that having been castigated both in India and abroad as an intransigent politician senselessly blocking India's road to independence, he is as of today, in a position to charge the Congress with obstructionism.Mr. Jinnah may - for the time being - pose as a pious patriot and a benefactor of the Indian people. The agreement was short-lived. After Nehru publicly declared that the Congress Party might alter the cabinet mission plan after independence, the Muslim League withdrew its acceptance and refused to join a proposed interim government. Once more, India was deadlocked politically. Until then, Jinnah had been a stickler for constitutional niceties. He now changed tactics to call for demonstrations in favor of Pakistan on August 16, 1946, which he labeled "Deliverance Day." His appeal to the Muslim masses, already highly agitated by the bitterly partisan election campaign waged between the Congress and the League, stoked the embers of large-scale Hindu-Muslim violence. Beginning with riots in Calcutta, communal disturbances slowly spread through other parts of India. The carnage was gruesome. The Calcutta consulate general reported police estimates of 2,000 dead; according to the India Office in London, the Calcutta disorders left 3,000 dead and 17,500 injured.32 At the same time, the viceroy Lord Wavell, proceeded to form the interim government without the participation of the League - even though hehad promised Jinnah that he would not do so. The Muslim League leader and his colleagues were furious.Disturbed by the rapidly deteriorating situation, the State Department became more active in backing British efforts to reach a political settlement. With China racked by civil war between U.S.-supported nationalists and their communist opponents, Washington wanted to avoid yet another major area of turmoil in Asia. On August 27, 1946, Acting Secretary of State Dean Acheson declared that the United States offered its "best wishes" to the Indian interim government, expressed regret "that the Muslim League has not decided to participate," and hoped "that it may later find it possible to do so." To bolster the interim government's prestige, Washington established full diplomatic relations with India, transforming the U.S. mission in New Delhi into an embassy, even though the British had not yet granted formal independence. Henry Grady, a former assistant secretary of state and the leader of a 1942 wartime economic mission to India, was named the first U.S. ambassador to India. Increased U.S. Pressure on Congress and the League Although the Muslim League eventually joined the interim government, the political deadlock remained unbroken and communal violence continue to rage. Hindu-Muslim disturbances seared eastern India and fresh disorders flared up in Bombay in September 1946. Fear of possible civil war in India and "perhaps at the same time a revolutionary war against the remnants of British power" spurred State Department regional specialists to recommend in late November 1946 stepped-up American pressure for an early agreement between the Muslim League and the Congress. Undersecretary Acheson gave his blessing even though he doubted "our chances for accomplishing very much were very good." As 1946 drew to a close, a frustrated British prime minister Clement Attlee summoned Nehru and Jinnah to London in a desperate attempt to break the impasse. In support of the effort, the State Department instructed the London embassy to "impress on Indian leaders . . . [the] deep interest" of the United States in the "successful conclusion [of the] talks."In addition, Acheson, in a December 3, 1946, public statement, urged the major Indian political parties to accept the British cabinet mission's proposal.40 In London, Charge d' Affaires Waldemar Gallman was able to present the U.S. views to Jinnah at a lunch that they both attended. "During our talk," Gallman cabled, "Jinnah gave no evidence of thinking a solution of the present impasse might be worked out within a reasonable time. He did not seem disturbed by this, but seemed to view future developments coldly, calmly and in a very detached way."Although the London talks failed, the State Department continued to press for an agreement between the Congress and the League, instructing the New Delhi embassy to urge the Muslim League to cooperate with the Congress within the framework proposed by the British. Embassy political officer Thomas Weil vainly argued the case for nearly two hours with Liaquat. Although Muslims had not given up on the cabinet mission proposal, Liaquat said, "as [a] result of Congress behavior [the] League was beginning to feel that perhaps [an] outright Pakistan would be [the] only means of obtaining their objectives." After a second discussion failed to move Liaquat, Vice Consul Joseph S. Sparks was instructed to see Jinnah in Karachi, where he was attending a meeting of the Muslim League leadership. Sparks was told to stress the "U.S. Government's deep concern about the serious deterioration [of the] Indian political situation; to state it is our impression that in view of [the] Congresses effort to accommodate itself to [the British government] and [the] League's interpretation of [the cabinet mission] plan, [the] U.S. public would be puzzled if [the] League now declines] [to] enter [the] Constituent Assembly; and to say [that the State Department] believes any halt in constitutional progress may well cause widespread chaos similar [to that in] China with world-wide repercussions." Jinnah received Sparks politely but spurned U.S. advice. "Tell your government." Jinnah said, that "we work towards the same ends but for God's sake not to be chloroformed by [a] meaningless Congress gesture made for purely propaganda effect." It was, Jinnah charged, the "same Congress tactics: propaganda to fool [the] world into believing [the] Congress had accepted [the British] Cabinet's December 6 statement and that only [the] League was at fault for not entering [the] Constituent Assembly when [the Congress] resolution is [a] statement of contradiction that in fact says nothing." Having tailed to break the Congress-League deadlock, the Labour government decided drastic action was needed to pave the way for the British withdrawal from India and that Viceroy Wavell was not the man for the task. On February 20, 1947, the British ambassador in Washington, Lord Inverchapel, informed Secretary of State Marshall of the decision to grant India full independence in June 1948, with or without agreement about the future governmental structure, and to appoint Lord Louis Mountbatten, who had been the Allied commander in Southeast Asia during the war and was King George VI's cousin, as viceroy. Marshall made no comment other than noting that the United States had supported British efforts to find a satisfactory political solution in India. A few days later, on February 25, 1947, the State Department reiterated U.S. interest in Indian self-government and its support for the "persistent and sincere efforts of the British Government to bring the major Indian political parties together." The statement concluded with an only too accurate prediction: "The Indian internal crisis threatens to prevent India from making its rightful and honorable contribution to the maintenance of international peace and prosperity. An India torn by civil strife . . . could conceivably become the source of new international tensions in a world only beginning to grope its way back to peace." During this troubled period, U.S. diplomat Raymond Hare, who was slated to head up the State Department's South Asia division, spent two months in the subcontinent to learn firsthand about his new area of responsibility. During his travels, Hare had extended talks with all the top leaders, including Jinnah, whom he met for an hour and a half in New Delhi on May 1, 1947. The defiant Muslim League chief told the visitor that dividing the provinces of Bengal and Punjab (which Jinnah strongly opposed) would not "frighten" him into giving up Pakistan. Even if "driven into the Sind desert," he would insist on a sovereign state. Jinnah asserted that a positive decision for Pakistan would clear the communal atmosphere and reduce tensions, a position that U.S. diplomats did not share. Responding to Hare's query about the country's foreign policy, Jinnah said that Pakistan would be oriented toward the Muslim countries of the Middle East. Since they were weak, "Muslim countries would stand together against possible Russian aggression and would look to the U.S. for assistance." The League leader said that although he did not personally share the view, most Indian Muslims thought the United States was unfriendly. They had the impression that the U.S. press and many Americans were against Pakistan. This suspicion also fed on U.S. support for the Jewish position in the dispute over Palestine. By this time, the Congress Party was grudgingly moving toward acceptance of the partition of India. Mountbatten, the new viceroy, had also concluded that a united India was not possible. Fearing that further delay in granting independence would risk even greater chaos and communal bloodshed, Mountbatten won London's approval to advance the date by almost a year, to August 1947, and to accept the Muslim League's demand for Pakistan. After obtaining the agreement of the unhappy Congress and the League - although delighted by partition, Jinnah was angry about receiving a "moth-eaten" Pakistan with only half of the provinces of Punjab and Bengal - the viceroy plunged the administration into a frenzied three-month preparation for splitting India into two separate and independent states. Moving the date forward a year made an orderly division of British India impossible. The decision fanned the flames of uncertainty and fear, especially in the Punjab, that triggered the tragic and bloody mass migration of millions of Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims. Because of a lack of time, India and Pakistan became independent before the settlement of key issues, including the fate of the two largest princely states, Jammu and Kashmir and Hyderabad, and the division of financial and physical assets between the two successor states.On June 10, 1947, the U.S. government welcomed the shotgun agreement the British had reached with the Congress and the League and expressed the hope that the partition accord would "bring [an] end to civil disorders in India and avoid further bloodshed." Curiously, the State Department made no explicit reference to the decision to create Pakistan - as if the U.S. government was unwilling to accept this new fact. The statement commented only, 'The future constitutional pattern is a matter to be determined by [the] Indian people themselves and whatever that pattern may be the U.S. Government looks forward to continuance of [the] friendliest relations with Indians of all communities and creeds." When Jinnah met Hare a second time on July 2, 1947, just six weeks before independence, the future leader of Pakistan, anxious for international acceptance of the new country, asked about U.S. diplomatic representation. Delhi embassy officer Howard Donovan, who accompanied Hare, replied stiffly that they were not authorized to discuss that question. A few days earlier, Muslim League leader Yusuf Haroon had told Vice Consul Sparks in Karachi that Jinnah was eager to have a U.S. embassy as a means of strengthening Pakistan's ability to have an independent foreign policy, one not linked - as some wistfully hoped-with India's. In a talk with Ambassador Grady, Mountbatten also urged the prompt establishment of an American embassy in Pakistan. In response to prodding by Grady, the State Department in a rather officious cable authorized discussion of the subject.54 Grady then met Jinnah at the latter's New Delhi residence after the protocol-conscious Jinnah refused to call at the U.S. embassy. Pakistan's future governor-general advised that his country would act promptly to name an ambassador to Washington. "He was," Grady reported, "most cordial, expressed great admiration for the U.S. and said he was hopeful [the| U.S. would aid Pakistan in its many problems." During this period before Pakistan's and India's independence, reporting by U.S. diplomats assigned to India provided the State Department with a balanced assessment of the unfolding political drama. The telegrams and dispatches praised Jinnah's negotiating skills but implied that his original aim was not so much an independent Pakistan as a stronger political position for the Muslim minority within the framework of a united India. Indeed, U.S. diplomats believed that Gandhi, Nehru, and the Congress were as responsible for the creation of Pakistan as was Jinnah. An April 22, 1947, dispatch from the embassy in New Delhi commented. "The present unhappy situation is as much a result of Congress leaders' political ineptitude and lack of vision as of Mr. Jinnah's intransigence. Had Congress leaders put aside their fears regarding the effect of the Cabinet Mission plan on their party's position in Assam, the Punjab and the Northwest Frontier Province, Mr. Jinnah would not have been provided with a logical basis for the Muslim League's current stand, and India might today have been laying the ground-work for a united country instead of facing the prospect of Balkanization." Limited U.S. Interest in Pakistan and India As the tone of the embassy dispatch implied, the U.S. attitude toward the creation of Pakistan had been unenthusiastic. During World War II, President Roosevelt and his personal envoy to India. William Phillips, expressed their dislike of the idea of partitioning British India. Later, after the British made clear their intention to grant independence, the United Stales supported London's efforts to maintain a united India. Despite the fact that America stood at the peak of its postwar power and prestige, the Muslim League disregarded U.S. advice - and so did the Indian National Congress. In early 1947, as events in India were moving toward their climax, the major concerns of U.S. foreign-policy makers lay far from South Asia. The global struggle between the Soviet Union and the United States was hardening into the Cold War. In February 1947 - the same month that Britain advised America of its decision to grant India independence in 1948 - financially strapped London also informed Washington that it could no longer help Greece and Turkey against the communist threat. In a monumental national security decision, President Truman decided that the United States would take up the burden. On March 12, 1947, the president spelled out the policy, known as the Truman Doctrine, and sought congressional funds for aid to Greece and Turkey to counter communism. Three months later, on June 5, 1947, Secretary of State Marshall announced another key policy initiative: U.S. willingness to help European economic recovery, the program that soon became known as the Marshall Plan. In the summer of 1947, Washington was also concerned about events in the Middle East, where a beleaguered Britain was unable to satisfy either Arab inhabitants of Palestine or Jewish immigrants demanding a separate homeland. A further source of anxiety that same summer was the civil war raging in China, where U.S.-supported Nationalists were steadily losing ground to their communist foes. Given concerns about crises elsewhere, Washington was content to let the British worry about the states emerging from their Indian empire. The principal anxiety was that continuing Hindu-Muslim differences might spark even more intense violence and lead to broader political instability in Asia. The United States simply did not perceive major interests in the subcontinent. In part, this was explained by the fact that the region stood apart from the Cold War struggle with the Soviet Union, which was already dominating U.S. foreign policy. Moscow regarded both India and Pakistan as Western pawns and showed little inclination to establish friendly ties with either country. Even if Washington had few explicit policy aims regarding Pakistan, the fulsome expressions of goodwill on August 14, 1947, underscored that the United States looked forward to amicable relations with the new state. Courtesy: Excerpted from Kux, Dennis, The United States and Pakistan 1947-2000

Posted by: Viren Oct 17 2005, 09:37 AM

It's curtains for http://www.satribune.com/archives/200510/P1_sat.htm

Posted by: Mudy Oct 17 2005, 10:07 AM

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It's curtains for Sebhai's rag
Goooodbye, Sad day for Bhutto.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 18 2005, 08:43 AM

http://saag.org/papers16/paper1581.html -by Dr Subhash Kapila

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Concluding Observations Six years of military rule by General Musharraf have not changed Pakistan at all. Pakistan for all practical purposes is a state in decline. All that stands in between Pakistan and a “Failed State” status is the United States political and strategic sustenance and American daily doses of economic resuscitation. The United States has ensured that in return for pandering to General Musharraf’s personal “indispensability” instincts, the United States (much to the dislike of the Pakistanis) stays embedded in Pakistan in terms of military bases, enhanced intelligence presence and one could guess even full control over Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal. Pakistan’s six years of military rule under General Musharraf has been a heavy price to pay for a country which aspired to be the leader of the Islamic World. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Naresh Oct 18 2005, 05:24 PM

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2005\10\19\story_19-10-2005_pg3_3 Civil society groups must now assert themselves. They must demand a voice in planning and implementing the reconstruction effort and, along with international donors, transparency and public auditing of where aid is spent Along with a group of faculty, staff and students from my university in Islamabad, I journeyed to Balakot, close to the centre of the Kashmir earthquake. This mountainous town, situated on the banks of the Kunhar River, has been destroyed. There is rubble and the gut-wrenching smell of decaying corpses. The rats have it good; the one I accidentally stepped upon was already fat. If there is a plan to clear the concrete rubble in and around the town, nobody seems to have any clue. But the Balakotis are taking it in their stride — nose masks are everywhere. But there is good news. We were just one of countless groups of ordinary citizens that were on the move after the enormity of last Saturday’s earthquake became apparent. The Mansehra to Balakot road, finally forced open by huge army bulldozers, is now lined with relief trucks bursting with supplies that were donated by people from across the country. This is one of those rare times that I have seen Pakistan’s people feel and move together as a nation. Even the armed bandits who waylay relief supplies — making necessary a guard of soldiers with automatic weapons, standing every few hundred yards — cannot destroy this moment. Islamic groups from across the country have also arrived. Some bring relief supplies; others simply harangue those who have lost loved ones and livelihoods, lecturing that their misdeeds brought about this catastrophe. None seem to have an explanation for why God’s wrath was especially directed towards mosques, madrassas, and schools — all of which collapsed in huge numbers. None say why thousands of the faithful have been buried alive in this sacred month of fasting. Aid from across the world is making its way towards the destruction, and the US is here too. Double bladed Chinook helicopters, diverted from fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, now fly over the heartland of jihad and the militant training camps in Mansehra to drop food and tents a few miles beyond. Temporarily birds of peace instead of war, they do immensely more to calm angry Islamists than the reams of glossy propaganda put out by the US information services in Pakistan. Their visibility makes relief choppers terrific propaganda, for good or for worse. This is undoubtedly why the Pakistani government refused an Indian offer to send in helicopters for relief work in and around Muzaffarabad, the flattened capital of Pakistan-administered Kashmir. Sadly, in spite of a much celebrated peace process, Pakistan refuses visas to Indian peace groups and activists that seek to help in the relief effort. It is still not too late to open this door and let Pakistanis, Indians and Kashmiris help each other. The challenges are many. The aid remains too little. There are not enough tents, blankets, and warm clothes to go around. Hundreds of tent clusters have come up, but thousands of families remain out under the skies, facing rain and hail, and with dread in their hearts. These families have lost everything but the tattered clothes on their backs. Some even lost the land they had lived upon for generations — the topsoil simply slid away, leaving behind hard rock and rubble. Worst of all, aid is not reaching those most affected. Hundreds of destroyed communities are scattered deep in the mountains. We saw helicopters attempt aerial drops; landing is impossible in most places. But people told us that they often miss and the supplies land thousands of feet below in deep forests. Distribution is haphazard and uncoordinated, done with little thought. We saw relief workers throw packets of food and clothes from the top of trucks, causing a riot. Hustlers thrive, the weak watch passively. The clock is ticking. In two months, the mountains will get their first snowfall and temperatures will plummet below zero. Millions may have been made homeless. Those without shelter will die. Tents will not do. From a special university fund, we pledged to rebuild the homes of a dozen families. But 10,000 or more families will need homes in the Mansehra-Balakot-Kaghan area alone, not to speak of adjoining Kashmir. The task of saving lives has barely begun. For me personally, there is a sense of deja vu. Nearly 31 years ago, on December 25, 1974, a powerful earthquake flattened towns along the Karakorum Highway and killed nearly 10,000 people. I travelled with a university team into the same mountains for similar relief work. Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had made a passionate appeal for funds around the world, had taken a token helicopter trip to the destroyed town of Besham, and then made fantastic promises of relief and rehabilitation. Hundreds of millions of dollars in relief funds received from abroad mysteriously disappeared. Some well-informed people believe that those funds were used to kick off Pakistan’s secret nuclear programme. Will today’s government do better? This will only be assured if citizens organise themselves to play a more direct role in relief and rehabilitation for the long term. Civil society groups must now assert themselves. They must demand a voice in planning and implementing the reconstruction effort and, along with international donors, transparency and public auditing of where aid is spent. —DT-PS Pervez Hoodbhoy is a professor at Quaid-e-Azam University, Islamabad Cheers

Posted by: acharya Oct 19 2005, 12:26 PM

Why Do Americans Hate Muslims? Reem Al-Faisal, Arab News A few weeks ago an American I met at a friends house asked a much repeated query, “Why do you the Muslims hate the Americans?” To which I answered in the same way as all the preceding instances in which this question was posed to me: “We don’t hate the Americans, we might disagree with a certain US policy and dislike recent American actions in the Muslim world but we surely don’t hate the American people.” The American who interrogated me was clearly not convinced with my answer and secretly I wasn’t either. The truth is that at present the Muslims hate America and now, they hate not only its policymakers but most of the American people since they have proven recently without a shadow of doubt that they agree with their elite by voting back into office, by a comfortable majority, the Bush administration inspite of it’s obvious record of lies and abuse of power. The Americans can never claim from now on that they didn’t know that there where no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They can’t claim that they didn’t know torture wasn’t widespread in American prisons, from Guantanamo to Abu Ghraib, and the thousands of other secret detention centers. They surely can’t claim not to know of this entire episode in which thousands have lost their lives and much more have seen their homes and lands destroyed as a result of the American military and its leaders who don’t hesitate in using the massive destructive power of the US on defenseless civilians. My American friend was right, we do hate them now, but he never asked himself the question “Why?” Why should a people living on the other side of the planet feel any sort of emotion toward the Americans, be it hate or love? Does anyone ever ask if the Muslims hate the Chileans or love the Chinese or dislike the Uruguayans? No, we are forever asked to express some sort of intense emotion toward the Americans. So, I have to admit finally, after decades of relations with the US, that they have convinced us that we should feel something and that our feelings have been boiled down today to pure hate. And why not? What have we as a people seen from the US in the past half century but an absence of respect for Muslim life, culture or religion, contempt and disregard for our rights and finally murder and torture from Afghanistan to Iraq. The US has further driven us to dislike America with its blind support for a colonialist power such as Israel, in fact the only one left in the region. Whenever we have tried in the past to help alleviate the plight of the Palestinians we only got vetoed by the US at the UN Security Council followed by the free flow of arms and money to kill our fellow compatriots from Palestine to Lebanon. And whenever we Arabs try to get arms to defend ourselves against one of the strongest armies in the world, which has never hesitated in using its destructive power with impunity against us, we are blocked by America from acquiring the means by which we could defend ourselves. We have watched America attack us, destroy us, impose embargoes against our nations and then conquer our lands, imprison our people and generally deal with us as though we are savage animals whereby every single law be it international or even American is totally disregarded when it concerns the rights of Arab and Muslim individuals. Then they ask us why we hate them? Tell me why do you hate us? What terrible crime have the Muslims committed against you in the past to deserve your interminable enmity? What have we done to see you rampage through our lands destroying and killing, then claiming obscenely that it was worth it for the sake of liberty and democracy? Is it worth it for the million and a half Iraqis murdered in the embargo or the thousands of Afghans killed by your ever so “smart” bombs? Or should we ask the Iraqis of today, whom you’ve killed by the thousands? Was all this death and destruction worth it for them? Did you ever bother to ask their opinion before you played God with the lives and destinies of this nation? Finally, you take aim at our religion by humiliating our beliefs. You abuse our book, use our convictions to torture us and degrade us, disregarding your own laws and religion which is as noble as ours and to which torture and humiliation is anathema. What were you thinking when you threw the Qur’an in the toilet or when you used religion as a means of torture? I fail to see the efficacy of such actions in the so-called war on terror. These methods only point to a deep sickness in your society to which it will take decades for us and the rest of the world to understand its cause and to measure its destructive results. No, the question which someday will have to be answered is why, why do you the Americans hate us the Muslims so much?

Posted by: acharya Oct 19 2005, 01:54 PM

VIEW: Disaster brings out the worst in us —Shandana Khan Mohmand The army should not be blamed for not deploying more of its helicopters because everywhere in the world disaster relief is the responsibility of the civil administration. But then so is education, electricity supply, and dare I say it, heading the government and writing the constitution Right now, like many others around me, I am an extremely sad Pakistani. That may be understandable. But I am also a very angry and disillusioned one. I have tried hard to feel good about people’s response to the earthquake. Many have poured out their hearts in donations, and also — almost unfortunately — in visiting the quake-stricken areas. Yet, all I can seem to concentrate on is the ineptitude, the shortsightedness and the corruption in evidence. While so many people have simply put aside their lives and their livelihoods (giving up salaries, using annual leaves for relief work and savings to contribute to the relief efforts) just as many, it seems, have exploited the opportunity to profiteer. Pharmaceutical companies, distributors and retailers have taken advantage of it to get rid of expired medicine and truck-rental companies have doubled their rates. Prices of even the burial shrouds have gone up. Obviously these industries and businesses have realised that they are central to the relief and rescue efforts. When the group of volunteers I am working with appealed for four-wheal-drives, the owner of a rental company contacted me to offer “extremely discounted” prices. He then let forth a long spiel on his bleeding, hurting, sympathising heart and how he hoped the huge discounts — his contribution — would boost the relief effort. When he was done, he quoted Rs 7,000 per day for a jeep. Calling a rental company I regularly use for field research work, I asked how much the jeep on offer would have cost in September. The figure was Rs 2,800! Of course, foreign tourists going up north paid a whopping Rs 5,000 per day. Joining the ranks of these charitable, bleeding hearts are also the customs officials stealing from supplies at Islamabad Airport. There are, of course, hoarders in the affected areas themselves and the “baarras” of food supplies springing up in devastated towns. There are already reports of human traffickers abducting children from the affected areas, hospitals and relief centres. And where there is profit to be made can the multinationals be far behind? They are capitalising on the tragedy by promising to donate a part of their profit should you buy their products — the more the better. And the parliamentarians? When the quake hit, I suddenly had a fear that, the Zakat funds for the year may be diverted to the quake-stricken areas. Not to say that they do not desperately need it, but I was afraid that in their zeal to give, those in charge might forget that 33 percent of all Pakistanis (by many accounts, more) still live under the poverty line. No foreign aid is likely to flow in to alleviate their suffering. It did not take many days for one of the parliamentarians to suggest that those not agreeing with him to contribute their development funds were being miserly and selfish. And then, of course, our prolific education minister famously pointed out that the army should not be blamed for not deploying more of its helicopters because everywhere in the world disaster relief is the responsibility of the civil administration. But then neither is education, electricity supply, and dare I say it, heading the government and writing the constitution — the responsibilities his ex-colleagues wrest from civilians. But the one area where the citizens would be actually happy to see the army working is not their responsibility at all. How convenient. Add to all this the initial US aid announcement of an insulting $100,000 — raised to an impressive $50 million, apparently under the threat of too many Pakistani resources being diverted away from the War on Terror, and the need to contain the Al Qaeda-sympathisers. For the first time I find myself wanting to turn truly religious and be able to believe that divine retribution will certainly follow. Shandana Khan Mohmand conducts research on development issues

Posted by: acharya Oct 19 2005, 01:56 PM

Wednesday, October 19, 2005 E-Mail this article to a friend Printer Friendly Version VIEW: Considering our political future —Munir Attaullah What practical difference does it make to the ordinary man in the street which particular politician is, or is not, a minister? This ‘philosopher king’ or the ‘wise and benevolent Khalifa’ fantasy, is still very much part of our immature political culture The political developments of the last six months or so, culminating with the recently concluded local government elections, all point to what is in store for the country come 2007. The intentions of those who specialise in u-turns may not always be easy to fathom from their words (those who remember that famous seven-point agenda raise their hands). But in guessing our future we can do no better than extrapolate from their current actions. As a previous president, who was a field marshal, prophetically declared more than four decades ago, our native political genius is best suited to a form of ‘guided’ democracy. True or otherwise, that particular formula — under the paternalistic tutelage of the army, of course — seems set to be Pakistan’s destiny for sometime to come. The more discerning reader however should not lose sight of the fact that this prophecy was never anything but a self-serving one. For a large percentage of our educated and well-to-do elite, such a political dispensation has a certain irresistible temperamental fascination. It has the singular virtue of being justifiable in the name of the greater good of the country, without having to come anywhere near to admitting something as grubby as narrow class self-interest. What is really important (they say) is political stability, economic progress and good governance, provided the authoritarianism is benign. After all, what practical difference does it make to the ordinary man in the street which particular politician is, or is not, a minister? This ‘philosopher king’ or the ‘wise and benevolent khalifa’ fantasy, is still very much part of our immature political culture. Then there are those who are not so far right of the political centre but whose theoretical love of democracy has been severely tested by the antics of our political class. They yearn for ‘principled’ politics. Nor will they admit the possibility that the rules of public morality may well be different from those that govern private conduct: ‘unscrupulous’ politicians are a despicable lot. But has not politics always been of the ruthless and unscrupulous variety? That leaves those idealists who, in modern fashion, and for one reason or another, believe in unfettered democracy: let the people have their say, even if they know not what is good for them. The freedom to choose is an inalienable human right in the modern world. If you leave aside those for whom the only truth is to be found in Islamic concepts, how many will seriously argue these days against this philosophy of individual and collective freedom? Of course the president believes we enjoy far more ‘real’ democracy now, under his tutelage, than in the 1990s era of ‘sham’ democracy. For proof, it is argued, look no further than the freedom the media currently enjoys. The more obtuse also point to the absence of blatant political victimisation in support of this particularly nonsensical formulation of what a democracy is all about, but this is far more easily refuted. Be that as it may, an argument expressed in such relative terms is always difficult to shoot down. But, in any case, why should one not look any further? Is a functional democracy not supposed to be a kaleidoscope of overlapping and interlocking inalienable public rights that are not the subject of a magnanimous grant by a set of temporary rulers? Cast the net wider and you will see the basic flaw in the arguments put forward by the president’s supporters. I do not think anyone doubts what the president’s objectives are for 2007: come what may he must retain his firm grip on undiminished power. And it really is not relevant whether he actually believes, or does not believe, this to be in ‘the national interest’. This means it is only the game plan to achieve this goal that needs to be continuously updated and refined. Do you think this is ‘principled politics’ or politics of the ‘opportunistic’ variety? Is the army’s pervasive grip on power in the long-term national interest? And, yes, you can be certain the president will retain his COAS post beyond 2007 for an undefined period! Anyone foolhardy enough to disagree, who is also prepared to back his convictions with a little wager, is cordially invited to phone me for the odds I am currently quoting on this particular eventuality. Be assured, these odds are pretty generous and not nearly as niggardly as those usually quoted by the unofficial bookies when a punter these days seeks to back the favourite at the Lahore Race Club meeting. Some political analysts believe that the ground is being prepared for a shift to a full-fledged presidential system come 2007. I doubt it. Why tinker with a new framework, when you can so manipulate the present system that all the power and authority lie with you but the responsibilities lie elsewhere? Is that not an unenviable set up? You can set the agenda (from the ‘war on terror’ to the Kalabagh dam) and then sit back and monitor the performance of your grovelling minions. The credit for any success will obviously belong to you. Failures are to be attributed to the shortcomings of your appointees and easily remedied by a sacking or two and bringing in some new faces. And why look for an alternative when you are even spared the drudgery and the tedium of persuading the public that power rightly and legitimately should be exercised by you? What could be better than sitting in an ivory tower, while this essential but thankless, and continuous, public relational task is enthusiastically undertaken on your behalf by experts in the art of flattery and public skullduggery, all for a small quid pro quo? All in all, why spurn a status a king would envy? For under the present tripartite system (the army as the overlord, Shaukat Aziz et al running the government, and miscellaneous politicians dutifully orchestrating the applause) the army as an institution could scarcely do better. All its requirements are met without any debate or discussion by parliament; it exclusively determines all important national policies; and serving and retired officers enjoy a benevolent patronage of the state that runs from generous perks and grants of all kind, to a stranglehold on most of the plum jobs in the public sector. So the political system will remain a parliamentary one in form and a presidential one in substance, with all the advantages of the latter and none of the constraints of the former. The rest of the game plan is how to secure a parliament of choice. Earlier in the year, when Asif Ali Zardari was finally granted bail, it appeared that a deal may well be in the offing with the PPP. The clerical politician had become too big for their boots in a tiresomely meddlesome way. In any case, post 9/11, they had outlived their utility to the army. Worst of all, they were suspect in the eyes of our new international patrons. Moreover, democracy — or at least a passable façade of the real thing — is a fundamental component of the minimum political package that the international community demands today of any nation state. If only the PPP could be persuaded to join the PMLQ in supporting the president, it would be smooth sailing for ‘enlightened moderation’. But the terms for the invitation to the party were brutally made clear on the occasion of Mr Zardari’s arrival in Lahore. And these were clearly unacceptable to the PPP. So the only option left was to further tighten the administrative grip at all levels so that the official candidates can be helped to victory when the 2007 elections take place. Whether such a prescription meets the criteria of ‘principled politics’ or whether we should think of it as ‘opportunistic’ I will leave for the reader to decide. The writer is a businessman

Posted by: Naresh Oct 19 2005, 04:05 PM

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/oct-2005/20/letters8.php It was heartbreaking to learn about the massive causalities and the millions rendered homeless. It was not at all easy to believe that it was not just another quake which would pass on with just our saying our prayers and remembering Allah. I was no less than shocked to learn about the aftermath of the quake and the disaster it has brought. As most of the people in Islamabad spent their time out of their houses for the next two days, I happened to meet many people and believe me the majority ( more than 90 per cent) of them termed it as a warning from the Almighty Allah. Almost everyone was of the opinion that the Muslims of Pakistan had asked for the wrath of the Allah by diverging from His path and not following His commands. The mosques were unusually full (even for Ramadan) and people all day long repented at their sins and asked for forgiveness. It is time that our government changes her attitude as well. She has already infuriated many Muslims due to her policies and her sluggish response to the recent catastrophe hasn't done her much good. It is time we adhere to Islam and implement it in our lives. The talks of political unity and one global Islamic state were already on, to safeguard the interests of the Ummah from the colonial West, now it seems that we have no other choice left. The quake in Pakistan was a wake up call for the people, would the Ummah respond?-MOEZ MOBEEN, Islamabad, via e-mail, October 13. Cheers

Posted by: Mudy Oct 20 2005, 10:06 AM

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/10/19/pakistans_dirty_laundering/ JEFF JACOBY

Posted by: Mudy Oct 20 2005, 05:29 PM

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Problems of democratic politics in Punjab : Khaled Ahmed’s Analysis - Thefridaytimes.com The Punjabis are a great race. They are talented, adaptable to change, gifted with a sense of humour, and possessed of an undying zest for life. They are good company, secure against bouts of suspicion about self-esteem, and generous in admitting the superiority of others. But they also have ‘flaws’. Taken together, these flaws constitute a kind of personality disorder which makes government virtually impossible. The Punjabi man will sacrifice rules to benefit his own clan, will be ‘excessive’ in conduct when in power and quick to stampede when under siege. In short, he is incapable of good governance because he will not submit to agreed rules when pushed by opportunism. Stereotyping the Punjabi : In Pakistan, the stereotyping of nationalities goes like this. Pakhtun are warlike but hampered in organisation by their inability to accept leadership in their tribal system. The Sindhi is wedded to his land, devoted to humanism, but limited by his lack of enterprise. The Baloch is completely submerged in the heroic persona of his sardar, the opposite of Pakhtun individualism. The Punjabi is enterprising but strangely given to passivity in the face of status quo. Pakistan’s nationalities also have mythified images of one another. The Pakhtuns think the Punjabis cowardly while the Sindhis look at them as a class of merciless exploiters. The Baloch will contest Pakhtun hegemony in their province but join them in their mistrust of the Punjabi. The Punjabis think the Sindhis lazy but submit to the leadership quality of the Pakhtun. The Punjabi man will adjust and change his identity under pressure from circumstances quicker than others (in extremis, lota -ism). This makes him a good entrepreneur, but he tends to be ‘visceral’ and ‘excessive’, which undermines his project. He is also known to be soft on military dominance of the state and not too fond of democracy because of his innate majoritarianism. His background of shunning all-Indian politics during the first half of the 20th century could also have developed his reflex against democracy. Prof Tan Tai Yong of National University of Singapore in his book The Garrison State: the Military, Government and Society in Colonial Punjab 1849-1947 (Vanguard Books Lahore 2005) quotes the Cambridge scholar DA Low as stating, ‘Pakistan’s post-independence propensity towards a military-dominated state had a clear and direct lineage that could be traced to the early military-fiscal state in the Punjab from the late 19th century onwards’ (p.24). The Sikh as the Raj warrior : In this military-fiscal state in Punjab, Sikhs rode at the top of the preference table described in recruitment manuals. The recruiters targeted only the Jat Sikhs of the Khalsa variety, meaning Sikhs raised by Guru Gobind Singh with the five Ks, and not the earlier sehejdhari ones linked to Guru Nanak or his son. Districts from where the Khalsa Sikhs had to be recruited were earmarked. In the process it was also made clear which areas had to be avoided because the Sikhs there had become ‘Hindustani types’ who were not brave in the battlefield: hence Hoshiarpur, Ambala, Gurdaspur, Sialkot and Gujrat were out of bounds. An interesting exception was made in the case of Mazhabi Sikhs, the churas who were rewarded by the Khalsa because they had rescued the quartered body of Guru Tegh Bahadur from falling to the Muslims and handed it to his son, Guru Gobind Singh, after the Mughals had executed the guru. The low-caste churas were included in the Khalsa and were called Mazhabi Sikhs. These Sikhs arose as the road- and bridge-builders of the Indian army. They were given lands in Lyallpur and Gujranwala and became accepted as landlords. Land to the Muslim warriors : As for the Muslims, two categories of soldiers wanted special treatment because of their pre-eminence in the Indian and their claim of social superiority. Gakhars and Janjuas did not want to serve together with other Punjabi Muslims while they accepted to be led only by each other and not any other Muslims. A subedar major was usually the village head back home because he was the crucial link between the local population and the Raj administration. Ex-soldiers became eligible for land grant after 21 years of service plus good reports from the commanding officer. Buying long-term loyalty through land grant necessitated the opening up of more land in Punjab whose western regions were subject to saline water and therefore unfit for cultivation. Two needs arose at the same time: more land must be made available and this land must be prevented from being attached by the urban financiers after bad crops. The canal colonies looked after the first and the Land Alienation Act of 1900 met the latter need. (Read Imran Ali’s seminal account on this in The Punjab under Imperialism 1885-1947) The Chenab colony land grants : The Chenab colony was considered the best region for land grants. An Act of 1893 bound the grantees not to become absentee landlords, to take charge of local sanitation and pay land revenue. But by 1907 things had gone wrong there because the paucity of good land and the inability of the framers to pay revenue after bad seasons and after fragmentation of land due to inheritance customs. Governor Ibbetson thought the urban agitators were behind the trouble in the Chenab colony land grantees and arrested - and deported to Burma – two agitational leaders, Lala Lajpat Rai and Ajit Singh. Then came the First World War and Punjab once again supplied its sons for battles in Europe, Africa and the Middle East for four and a half years. The province was mined heavily for manpower although there was some resistance at the outset. Heavy rewards for those who helped in recruitment facilitated the process and grants and titles on offer from the civil administration anointed the wheels of induction. Sikhs become nation : Military districts in Punjab were reinforced through District Soldier Boards which was another name for the amalgamation of civil and military administrations to soften the impact of absence of the war returnees. There was however a crimp in this perfect scenario. Out of all the communities serving in the Indian Army the Sikhs showed signs of becoming a nation in 1920 through what is know today as Gurudwara Movement. This agitation for the freeing of the gurudwaras coincided with the Muslims’ own Khilafat Movement and thus became more serious for its fallout in the military districts as the militarily trained Sikhs could join it to the detriment of the Raj. The Akali agitation in favour of freeing the gurudwaras from the control of non-Sikh mohants took place exclusively in the ‘military districts’ and was therefore viewed as extremely dangerous. (Akali Dal was the Khalsa’s martial aspect.) The root of the Movement was in the activity of Arya Samaj, founded in Lahore in 1875, which sought to cleanse old Hindu converts to other religions back into Hinduism. Both Muslim and Sikh communities were alarmed by this activity of shuddi . Rise of the Khalsa : Sikhs were consolidated into the Khalsa established by Guru Gobind Singh by the ‘socially elevating effect’ of their entry into Indian Army. Now the same socially elevated class in the countryside was threatened by Hinduism. The community therefore first looked to setting their places of worship right, but discovered that they were not in their own hands. The keshdhari (hairy) Khalsa had not put an end to the older Sikh community that followed earlier gurus and did not adhere to all the religious markers of Guru Gobind Singh. This older community of Sikhs were called sehejdhari (slow converters) Sikhs and had the tendency to relapse into Hinduism. The gurudwaras were traditionally in their hands. The Khalsa now strove to remover the blurred frontiers between Hinduism and Sikhism by wresting the control of their places of worship from the mohants . These mohants were by and large of the Udasi sect, followers of the son of Guru Nanak, Sri Chand. The first impulse to this had come in 1895 from the Tat (Pure) Khalsa community. Till 1924, the Raj had to contend with the Gurudwara Movement. But governor Hailey was successful in putting down the agitation without damage to the ‘military districts’. The Unionist Party : The Raj policy created a rural-military élite in Punjab in due course of time. Then came the Mantagu-Chelmsford reform of 1918, leading to the establishment of a provincial legislature in Lahore. Needless to say, it was immediately dominated by this élite. The rural-military élite, comprising Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs, saw their interests together and in 1923 formed the Punjab National Unionist Party which dominated the legislature until 1946 and for a period of time dominated all of India because of its influence in the Viceroy’s Council. The 1918 ‘dyarchy’ reforms kept in view the rise of All-India Congress and its coming together with the All-India Muslim League at Lucknow in 1916. Their demand for political rights posed a great threat to the concept of the ‘military districts’ in Punjab. The steps the Raj administration took against the national parties proved successful and the Unionist politics of Punjab held them at bay till 1946. O’Dwyer’s tough stand : Punjab governor Michael O’Dwyer didn’t agree with the Montagu-Chelmsford Report’s observation that Punjab’s sluggish response to the earlier 1909 Minto-Morley reforms was sluggish and placid because of political dumbness; he claimed that if no rebellion had occurred it was because of the efficient administration of the Raj. He was not about to allow the eruption of political consciousness in the province easily. He believed in the ‘strong and autocratic’ power of government ensuring ‘peace, order, impartiality, light taxation and proper administration’. He didn’t want the reforms to rapidly give ground to local oligarchies who ‘lacked in impartiality, integrity and efficiency’ and would not serve the masses. He then proposed the following order of franchise to the province: the electorate will consist of 230,000 votes, out of which 161,000 would go to the rural areas and only 70,000 to the urban areas. As for the rural vote, effort was made to concentrate it in the hands of the notables created by the Raj, including all lambardars - 65,000 of them in all - retired army personnel, subedar upwards, and payers of land tax upwards of Rs 2000 per annum. The dominant rural franchise : O’Dwyer further proposed urban vote to those who paid income tax and all the retired military and civil officers, in addition to all graduates and owners of property upwards a worth of Rs 4,000. Urban dwellers owning agricultural lands too were given vote. This led to the formation of a special voting class with conservative and military-rural background. Out of the total 160,000 rural vote in Punjab a large proportion - at 150,000 - would come from civil and military personnel, landlords and peasant proprietors. In return, the rural-military élite sided with conservative officers like O’Dwyer by protesting against the ‘political’ content of the reforms as it cut the ground from under a population that gave the Raj 90 percent of its revenue and contributed 60 percent of its army. The Jat Sikh Association led by Chaudhry Lal Chand and Chchotu Ram and Sardar Jameja Singh and Hanwant Singh - mostly from the rural elite of Rohtak - was of the view that 90 percent of the seats in the Punjab legislature should go to the countryside. The election after 1919 brought in only those leaders who had helped in recruitment to the Raj Army. The vote approved after 1935 for Punjab eventually went like this: 2,482,000 rural and only 263,000 urban. This concludes the two-part article on Punjab.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 20 2005, 05:44 PM

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SUCH GUP The Slapper ohmy.gif The MNA and minister who has made a name for himself by slapping lesser mortals at the drop of a hat has done it again. Last week, he was amongst a group of four ministers who went to Muzaffarabad by helicopter. Upon landing, the ministers were surrounded by wailing victims who had complaints and more complaints. The police and other security personnel tried to disperse the crowd but to no avail. Finally, The Slapper lived up to his reputation and went to work on the crowd, dispersing it in a jiffy. The whole sordid episode was recorded by PTV cameras accompanying the ministerial team. Before boarding the chopper back to Isloo , The Slapper & Co ensured that the tapes were cleansed. Un“civil” reception Rescue workers have arrived from all over the world to help Pakistan’s earthquake victims. Two Japanese teams arrived at Chaklala airport in Rawalpindi the other day and were greeted by a less than “civil” reception. Their minder took the Japanese rescue workers to a waiting room so that they could refresh themselves after their long journey. No sooner had they been seated that a khaki in uniform arrived and declared obnoxiously that they had no right to sit in a room “reserved for VVIPs”. The bemused Japanese were then taken to another room at Chaklala airport where the khaki accosted them again and asked them to leave that room too. Highly embarrassed and apologetic, the Japanese’s minder took them to a third room where he ordered snacks and tea. Before they could begin eating, the khaki appeared again and shouted that the entire place was a “VVIP facility” and that after evicting the Japanese he was going to lock up the whole place. Truly an un“civil” reception. Blame game The Biggest Beard’s daughter, herself a member of the National Assembly, told an AJK woman minister who lost two members of her family in the earthquake that the tragedy happened because the “secular” and “ungodly” government of General Pervez Musharraf has bartered away the “cause of Kashmir”. The woman minister expressed her displeasure in no uncertain terms. Meanwhile, another beard in Garhi Habibullah, one of the worst affected areas, blamed cable television for the calamity and has launched a vicious anti-TV campaign wherein he is busy smashing whatever sets he can find. The real heroes So who are the real heroes of this great tragedy? The thousands and thousands of Pakistani citizens who have given unstintingly for the rescue effort, who have braved the elements and gone up to provide comfort to their brethren in distress. It is they who do us proud. +++++ Nuggets from the Urdu press UN Charter is against Islam According to the daily Pakistan, an organisation called the World Islamic Forum held its session in Lahore and decided that the UN Charter should be changed because it was against Islam. Maulana Isa Mansuri and Zahidul Rashdi put out a memorandum that they would present to the UN to ask it to change the charter and put Muslims inside the Security Council according to their population in the world. They also asked the UN to allow atomic power to all states and give veto to the Muslim states. Jews are ‘kanjoos’ Writing in the Jang, Mehmood Sham stated that as he began to sit at the table arranged by the World Jewish Council for Pakistani journalists, he noticed that there were only sandwiches, tea and cold drinks for the Pakistani journalists. He remembered that Jews were famous for kanjoosi (miserliness). Behind the mikes on the stage, the backdrop was of black cloth; just like the black past of Pakistan-Israel relations and possibly future also. biggrin.gif Indian clerics threaten Sania Mirza According to Khabrain, Indian Muslim-born tennis star Sania Mirza was warned by the clerics of Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind that she will have to wear a shalwar in place of her shorts to play tennis in future or they will take action against her. On this, the Indian government increased Ms Mirza’s security. She said that she was determined to play in Calcutta but she did not comment on the clergy’s threat to stop her from playing if she did not play in a shalwar. Indian films in ‘aaloo’ bags According to the Jang, the film industry in Pakistan was protesting that a flood of Indian films had overtaken Pakistani cinemas and Pakistani films did not stand a chance against the big-budget Indian movies unless the government clamped down on the cinemas. The Indian films now came packed in bags of aaloo (potatoes) being imported from India to meet the demand for potatoes in Pakistan. The new import was also indirectly meeting the demand for Indian films in Pakistan. The film producers complained that it was not possible to detect cans of Indian films in thousands of potato bags piled up like mountains on the Lahore border with India. Exit from paradise Purple patch columnist Irfan Siddiqi stated in the Nawa-e-Waqt that the meetings between President Musharraf and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in New York signalled to us that we should turn back from fruitless (baisamar) highways of deprivation (lahaasil) but it appears that we have not heeded the signal. Perhaps it is no longer in our power to do so. Two more meetings between the two were in the offing, two more communiqués would be issued and the bilateral relations will advance from piaz aur lehsen (onion and garlic) and goats, while the paradise of Kashmir burns dhar-dhar (fiercely) in the fire of India’s fury and our ‘policylessness.’ Iqbal coined ‘Pakistan’ Writing in the Nawa-e-Waqt, Prof Fateh Muhammad Malik wrote that it was Allama Iqbal, not Chaudhry Rehmat Ali, who wrote the famous pamphlet Now or Never in 1932, in which the name Pakistan was proposed for the new Muslim state. Chaudhry Rehmat Ali was one of the students Iqbal knew in London. Once, when Rehmat Ali went to see him and asked what name would he give to the Muslim state he had thought of, Allama Iqbal replied that he would call it Pakistan. Dr Riffat Hassan in ‘trubbel’ According to Khabrain, Islamic lady scholar Dr Riffat Hassan read a paper in a gathering in New York which said blasphemous things about the Quran when she pointed out that the Holy Quran did not mention the name of Hawwa, nor did it say that Hawwa was created out of the rib of Adam. Pakistani journalists, led by ARY’s Dr Shahid Masood, objected to her deviating from the Quran and said that her version was against the Islamic tradition. Dr Riffat also said that Adam was a Hebrew word meaning earth and the Holy Quran meant both men and women when it referred to Adam. Also, the Quran stated that men and women were created from the same essence. Her point was that the Quran believed in the equality of men and women. The journalists decided that the matter could only be decided in the light of fiqh. Khabrain also published the views of the ulema who said that hadith did refer to Hawwa and Adam as separate people. Imran Khan on Qazi Hussain Ahmad Speaking at the inauguration of Asghar Khan’s book, Imran was quoted in Jang as saying that Qazi Hussain Ahmad will not be successful in his movement against the government because the people in the army who used to back him are no longer backing him now. He said Pakistani foreign minister talking to the Israeli foreign minister was like sticking a knife in the back of the Palestinians. America will ask for more! Quoted in the Nawa-e-Waqt, ex-foreign minister Agha Shahi said that if Pakistan went on bowing before America’s tough conditions, they will only be increased. To appease India, the US had set aside its own laws and this it did to oppose the increasing Chinese influence on the region. He said that Pakistanis should stop asking the US to arbitrate between India and Pakistan. He said that international affairs turned on power; and military power was the only thing that counted. Law minister slaps waiter According to Khabrain, federal law minister Wasi Zafar said that he merely called the waiter loudly at a hotel, which felt like a slap but he had not actually slapped him. The news which earlier appeared in the press stated that he had slapped a waiter on the face. Mr Zafar stated that the waiter had brought his meal late, upon which he had protested while the waiter kept saying that he had not brought his meal late. Earlier, Mr Zafar had watched his son brutally beat up a passenger at the Karachi airport. Eve was born of Adam’s rib! Writing in Khabrain, Azam Sultan Suhrawardi stated that the clerics of Lahore had condemned the lecture of Pakistani scholar Dr Riffat Hassan, which said that there was no mention in the Quran of the creation of Eve from Adam’s rib. The clerics said that if a fact became accepted by Muslims down the centuries, it becomes truth and anyone denying it was apostate. Stuffing the parliament in Afghanistan Columnist Hamid Mir wrote in the Jang that talking to an Afghan leader in Kabul, he discovered that the old Jamiat Islami of Ustad Rabbani had split on the vote to President Karzai. Yunus Qanuni split from Rabbani and created his own party and was in the process of sending 150 of his own candidates to the 149-seat Volesi Jirga in the September 2005 elections in Afghanistan. Qanuni was being funded by Iran to ensure that the coming parliament is biased against President Karzai, who has no party of his own. Hamid Mir was told that judges in Afghanistan were appointed after payment of money by the judges, which the judges later made up through corruption. Muslim Yuhanna and English team According to Khabrain, Pakistani batsman Muhammad Yusuf will add to excitement during the forthcoming cricket tour of England. When he was Yusuf Yuhanna, he used to make a cross on his breast as a Christian in the cricket field. Now he will have to fall down in sajda to prove that he has indeed become a Muslim. NGOs and Musharraf Writing in the Nawa-e-Waqt, Ataur Rehman stated that Musharraf had embraced the liberal and enlightened intellectuals and NGOs when he came to power. These liberal enlightened intellectuals were once supporters of the Soviet Union but now they had become slaves of the United States because of the money they received from it. After Musharraf gave them shelter, these NGOs threw away their caution and revealed their total slavery of the US. Now Musharraf was angry with the NGOs and their enlightened ladies, while Pakistan’s secular intellectuals looked like the lost sheep of Israel who didn’t know their direction. Asghar Khan and four judges Quoted in the Jang, Air Marshall (Retd) Asghar Khan said that the mystery of the murder of his son Umar Asghar Khan was still unresolved. He said that one after the other, three judges hearing the case of his son’s murder in Karachi had retired; now he was looking forward to the appointment of a fourth judge so that the hearings could start again. Jews in Pakistan According to Prof Adil Najam writing in the daily Pakistan, there was a Jewish synagogue in Karachi which was destroyed in 1960 to make place for a plaza. There was also a Jewish graveyard looked after by a Jewish lady. This graveyard was also destroyed to make place for a plaza. The Jewish lady was promised an apartment in the plaza after its completion but she never got it and vainly tried to approach the government to help her. The Jews left Pakistan in great misery after 1947. Text books conspiracy Quoted in the Nawa-e-Waqt, MMA leader Qazi Hussain Ahmad said that Musharraf was the most hated leader in the Islamic world. He said that Hazrat Fatima had been taken out of the school textbooks and in her place, Bilqis Edhi was being taught to the new generation. He was addressing the Friday congregation at Mansura in Lahore.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 20 2005, 05:46 PM

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Post-disaster priorities : Dr Ayesha Siddiqa The calamity calls for a change in priorities For anyone driving into Islamabad, the entry point to the northern areas, the sense of tragedy is palpable. Stories and images pouring in from the region are heartbreaking. Equally, one can witness people’s commitment to help the victims of the disaster. Citizens can be seen collecting medicine, clothing, blankets and other essential items to be sent to the affected areas of Kashmir. The tragedy has brought the nation together with its common people, government machinery and the armed forces working alongside each other to pick up the pieces, both literally and figuratively. Daunting as it is, the relief work, however, is the easier part. The more difficult part is rehabilitation. The real challenge lies ahead, especially in the next six months to a year, when emotions will have dissipated and the adrenaline gone down. It is important to make note of what the challenges are and how does the nation and the international community should respond to them. The disaster has increased net poverty in the country, in Kashmir and northern areas in particular. Billions of dollars worth of private property and other necessary infrastructure has been lost. And this is the conservative official estimate so far. In the short to medium term there will be a visible increase in poverty in the form of poor people. The years that lie ahead will be economically and politically very tense. The Kashmiri people, already unhappy with the lack of development in the region, could get unhappier if development efforts are not focused and are not representative of popular desire. The news trickling in from Kashmir indicates that people are bitter about the lack of official support. Apparently, there is less visibility of military and civil machinery and people feel abandoned. Thus, actual help is as important as increasing visibility on the ground. The government needs to consider three issues. Firstly, there is the need to reorganise the bureaucracy and improve its response to emergencies. Granted, there was nothing much the government could do to help the people in the first 72 hours due to unavoidable reasons. But this is precisely why it is important to create mechanisms to do just that. This will include improving the capability to study sub-surface activity and monitor it regularly. Earthquake prediction is a dicey business but regular monitoring can determine new trends and impending dangers. The information can then be used to design and develop infrastructure and other buildings. The government has to be more mindful of nature’s furies. Nature does not forgive negligence and corruption of the bureaucracy. The crash of the Margalla Towers has exposed the problems of corruption, insensitivity of the government and the foolishness of people who occupied the building without assessing that it did not have CDA’s approval. The same problems manifest themselves at a macro level. The government should now also be more mindful of schemes that challenge nature. The Punjab chief minister, for instance, would be making a far more meaningful contribution through dropping the environment-unfriendly New Murree Project. It will certainly be a greater contribution than any money he could collect for the current catastrophe. Second, the government’s rehabilitation plan should be coordinated and bring on board national and international players. The president has claimed that Islamabad has sufficient funds to rebuild Kashmir. Perhaps, this adversity will bring development to Kashmir that, in the past, only had a military-strategic value for Pakistan. The region lacked a lot of necessary infrastructure before the quake. There is an urgent need to establish hospitals, schools, roads and employment opportunities. Furthermore, the government should ensure bringing all political parties and factions on board to avoid any future misunderstanding regarding relief and rehabilitation. Nothing is sufficient for those who have lost their loved ones. The efforts by the government will have to be gently explained to the people and that would require a political rather than a bureaucratic process. Right now, the government and various international agencies are assessing the needs of the people. The World Bank and the ADB have offered help. Considering the experience with these donors in the past five years, there is a possibility that these agencies will provide help in the form of both soft loans and grants. In the past, the World Bank gave one-fourth of total funds in the form of loan and three-fourths as grant that were mostly bilateral. It will make sense for Pakistan to invest most of this money in infrastructure development and ensure a transparent and accountable process of investment. Large amounts of resources wasted through bureaucratic corruption could result in extremely high political costs. Those at the helm will have to come up with original ideas to create the right economic space in the larger financial planning for reconstruction. In the next few years, the government’s deficit spending will go up due to greater expenditure on reconstruction. There will also be a long-term impact due to the soft loans given by the donor institutions. This will happen in the backdrop of the existing imbalance between development and non-development expenditure. If the policymakers are not mindful of maintaining the balance, the country could move towards the same financial chaos it experienced in the past. The international community should also see this as an opportunity to improve their relations with Pakistan’s civil society. As the US learnt from the tsunami experience, the visibility of America improved its image in places like Indonesia. Washington and the EU should play a more proactive and visible role in helping with the reconstruction process. New and better constructed school buildings, roads and hospitals will go a long way in creating friends among the Pakistani people. Third, Islamabad needs to be mindful of the distribution of wealth and resources. Given the flow of funds for reconstruction, there will be a short-term boom in the economy, especially in areas that will provide resources for reconstruction. Additional government spending will generate a spiral that will bring short-term prosperity to a number of people. But we would need to ensure that the imbalance of economic growth between the various sub-regions is not alarming. The government will also have to do original thinking to compensate Kashmir even if it is unable to establish industrial infrastructure for the reconstruction of the region. This disaster might be another call for the rulers to realise that this is a time for changing agendas. Dr Siddiqa is a military and political analyst based in Islamabad. She is currently writing a book on military in business

Posted by: Mudy Oct 21 2005, 07:19 PM

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Posted by: Naresh Oct 23 2005, 06:59 AM

http://www.dawn.com/2005/10/23/top11.htm DUBAI, Oct 22: The $2.598 billion privatization deal in Pakistan between the Emirates Telecommunications Corporation (Etisalat) and the PTCL is reportedly not out of troubled waters as, according to sources here, the ‘issues’ are still being sorted out. The local media has reported that the government, which accommodated Etisalat’s earlier demands, has now rejected its new requests for credit facility from a Pakistani bank and more voting rights in the Pakistan Telecommunication Company Limited board. Dubai-based Etisalat, after successfully bidding for 26 per cent PTCL shares, was to make full payment and take over the public telecom company by August 28, a deadline that was extended for two months after a deal between both parties. According to reports, both Etisalat and the government are optimist that the deal will go through without any further delay. “Etisalat’s executives are still working with the Privatization Commission to settle the issues within the extended deadline,” Khaleej Times quoted an unnamed source as saying. The newspaper has also reported PTCL claims that there are no pending issues. “The PTCL is ready to pass on the management control to the successful bidder as it has no pending issue with Etisalat,” PTCL President Junaid I. Khan told the paper. “At present, Etisalat executives are in touch with the Privatization Commission to settle the deal,” he added. Mr Khan declined to say what issues were yet to be settled when deadline was less than a week away. The analysts in Dubai believe that Etisalaat has overbided and will face a tough competition due to the deregulated environment that has brought down the PTCL tax profit from Rs29.16 billion in 2,004 to Rs26.5 billion in 2,005. “Market price of the PTCL shares is hovering around Rs65 per share as against Etisalat’s bid price of Rs117 per share,” the sources were quoted as saying. It is also reported that the government has conceded a couple of concessions to Dubai’s telecom giant, allowing it to pledge its ‘B’ class shares 18 months after the deal is concluded, instead of 36 months, and has approved amendments to the share holding and share pricing agreements. “The government is keen that the deal goes through and it is very much optimistic that the issues will be sorted out during this period,” Khaleej Times quoted a senior government official as saying. “The entire privatization process will be derailed in case both the parties fail to settle the issues,” he added. Cheers

Posted by: Naresh Oct 23 2005, 02:04 PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1272442.cms LONDON: Brown-on-black race rioting has flared in Asian-dominant Birmingham, Britain's second city and the supposed showpiece of 21st-century European multi-cultural harmony. Saturday's rioting, which left one Black man dead, and at least 20 others, including a police officer injured, erupted after the Jamaican community in ethnically diverse Birmingham accused Asian youths thought to be of Pakistani origin of raping a 14-year-old black girl. The violence, which is thought to have involved rival gangs of 100s of Asian and Black youths, left several, mainly Pakistani-run kebab shops shops, news-agents and grocers vandalised. Eyewitnesses said dozens of youths smashed property and attacked police. Bricks and bottles were thrown, and, the viciousness was such that even an ambulance was attacked by a gang wielding sticks. The rioting occurred in Birmingham's Lozells area, a multi-cultural part of the city where substantial numbers of Asians and Blacks, mainly of Jamaican descent, live cheek by jowl. Lozells, a poor area, has gone down in history as the home of the bloody Handsworth riots of September 1985, which saw two days of violent unrest following the arrest of a black man by police. Birmingham, which won the prestigious European City of the Future award just a fortnight ago in a nod to its unique and vibrant multi-cultural mix, counts nearly 30% of its population as non-white, of which 20% is Asian. Blacks account for just 6% of the population. According to the last census in 2001, nearly 56,000 Indians live in Birmingham, while Pakistanis are twice as the number and the city has nearly 21,000 Bangladeshis. The commentators said the violence appeared to sound the alert on Birmingham's proud propaganda of itself as an oasis of multi-cultural calm and harmony. Locals said the violence, which resulted in a police helicopter ominously hovering above the area with its searchlight trained on the troubled area, erupted after a week of rising tension between Blacks and Asians. The tensions, previously known to exist between Black and Asian gangs over drugs and gun crime, centred this time on the alleged assault on the Jamaican teenager. Though police said no offence has been reported and there appeared to be no evidence to support rumours of the alleged attack, Birmingham's black community is understood to be deeply hostile to what some describe as "swaggering Pakis". The girl, who has gone underground, is thought to be an illegal immigrant. On Sunday, one of Birmingham's MPs, Khalid Mahmood, who is of Pak-origin, joined city police to appeal for calm. Mahmood said that vehicles, including a cab, had been set ablaze by the mob. Cheers

Posted by: Naresh Oct 23 2005, 03:19 PM

http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3306572/ A Muslim cleric in Århus demands that daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten apologises for publishing cartoons featuring the prophet Mohammed Daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten is facing accusations that it deliberately provoked and insulted Muslims by publishing twelve cartoons featuring the prophet Mohammed. The newspaper urged cartoonists to send in drawings of the prophet, after an author complained that nobody dared to illustrate his book on Mohammed. The author claimed that illustrators feared that extremist Muslims would find it sacrilegious to break the Islamic ban on depicting Mohammed. user posted image Prophet Muhammed. By: Rasmus Sand Høyer Twelve illustrators heeded the newspaper's call, and sent in cartoons of the prophet, which were published in the newspaper one week ago. Daily newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad said one Muslim, at least, had taken offence. 'This type of democracy is worthless for Muslims,' Imam Raed Hlayhel wrote in a statement. 'Muslims will never accept this kind of humiliation. The article has insulted every Muslim in the world. We demand an apology!' Jyllands-Posten described the cartoons as a defence for 'secular democracy and right to expression'. Hlayhel, however, said the newspaper had abused democracy with the single intention of humiliating Muslims. Lars Refn, one of the cartoonists who participated in the newspaper's call to arms, said he actually agreed with Hlayhel. Therefore, his cartoon did not feature the prophet Mohammed, but a normal Danish schoolboy Mohammed, who had written a Persian text on his schoolroom's blackboard. 'On the blackboard it says in Persian with Arabic letters that 'Jyllands-Posten's journalists are a bunch of reactionary provocateurs',' Refn said. 'Of course we shouldn't let ourselves be censored by a few extremist Muslims, but Jyllands-Posten's only goal is to vent the fires as soon as they get the opportunity. There's nothing constructive in that.' Flemming Rose, cultural editor at the newspaper, denied that the purpose had been to provoke Muslim. It was simply a reaction to the rising number of situations where artists and writers censured themselves out of fear of radical Islamists, he said. 'Religious feelings cannot demand special treatment in a secular society,' he added. 'In a democracy one must from time to time accept criticism or becoming a laughingstock.' It is not the first time Hlayhel has created headlines in Denmark. One year ago, he became the target of criticism from Muslims and non-Muslims alike, when he said in a sermon during Friday prayer, that Danish women's behaviour and dress invited rape. Some More Cartoons : user posted image user posted image Stop! stop! We have run all out of virgins. Link to all Twelve Cartoons : http://pics.jp.dk/nybillede/?sek=0&id=2253 Cheers

Posted by: acharya Oct 23 2005, 03:33 PM

SEE MUSHARRAF INTERVIEW IN BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4363418.stm# On the top tight corner

Posted by: Mudy Oct 23 2005, 06:43 PM

Gosh, before onset of winter they will reach to earthquake victims. ohmy.gif He is saying it was underdeveloped region, so what the heck Pakis were doing till now. He is rude and arrogrant. Mushy is behaving like Railway station beggars, if you give them 50 paisa he will make lot of noise, he will kept on making noise till one get fed up and leave him alone and decide next you will not give money to any beggar again. If one suggest beggar to work somewhere, beggar will start cursing you.

Posted by: Mudy Oct 24 2005, 02:29 PM

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House hit by grenade, FC post by rockets By Our Staff Correspondent QUETTA, Oct 23: A hand grenade was hurled on the house of a retired government officer on the Gulberg street near Zarghoon Road on Sunday night. No causality was reported. According to sources some people riding a bicycle hurled the grenade on the house of Zafar Iqbal Awan, a retired officer of the agriculture department. The grenade exploded in the lawn of the house, damaging parts of it. ROCKETS FIRED: Three rockets were fired at a Frontier Corps checkpoint in Duki area of Loralai district on Sunday morning. The rockets exploded in an open area. FC men at the checkpoint returned fire but the attackers escaped. No damage was reported http://www.dawn.com/2005/10/24/top17.htm
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